Schami66 Posted January 14 Posted January 14 1 minute ago, Yog said: not really. She's basically a terf.
Yog Posted January 14 Posted January 14 31 minutes ago, Schami66 said: not really. She's basically a terf. Nevermind than I take back my clap..
Communion Posted January 14 Posted January 14 (edited) I love how the average European country's political system is: "Hi, I'm a labour supporter! We believe in the power of the rural working class! We will stand up to the elites, including transgenders and the migrants they mass import!" "Hi, I'm a liberal! Our party supports abortion rights, racial diversity, and LGBTQ people! Except for the poor ones! Who I think should be mauled by dogs!" "Hi, I'm a conservative! Our party is led by an immigrant woman of color or gay white man! We hate nothing more than high taxes and laws protecting minorities!" "Hi, I'm a nationalist! Our party is literally run by the great-grand-children of nazis! At our meetings we chant that Moroccans are dirty invaders! #KeepEuropaWhite" Edited January 14 by Communion 8 4
Bosque Posted January 14 Posted January 14 Interesting how the tweet leaves out that this party that is being described as "far-left" has anti-immigration policies as their #1 talking point, and basically coincides 100% on this topic with the current far-right AfD party 1
wastedpotential Posted January 14 Posted January 14 Yeah this party exists in the German political sphere to tap the same anti-immigrant sentiment that the AfD has
Solaria Posted January 14 Posted January 14 7 minutes ago, wastedpotential said: Yeah this party exists in the German political sphere to tap the same anti-immigrant sentiment that the AfD has You is German?
Lil' Oz Posted January 14 Posted January 14 There’s a lot of talk about her and her party as of right now here in Germany. I don’t think her positions can be categorized as "far-left", honestly she/her party could be anything from left-wing to right-wing (like, which is it, boo?). regarding our politics… I am not very political, like most young people, but what I do know is that I’m not happy with the current government.
Harrier Posted January 14 Posted January 14 This party has a platform that actually is the logical conclusion of a nationalist-leaning leftist worldview that centres local working people, and properly analyses the impact of high immigration on working class people. Particularly in regards to cost of housing & wages. A lot of leftist and liberal Americans are in complete denial about this. To be clear I do not share the views of this party. But I think their internal logic is clearer than that of American leftists and liberals who outright dismiss and handwave away any negative issues associated with mass immigration, rather than adressing the real growing pains that occur when you have lots of new people coming in. Like, it is a party that clearly exists to go to bat for the interests of working class Germans above all else. As someone who is pretty internationalist, I don't agree, but I at least get it. 12
The7thStranger Posted January 14 Posted January 14 She's basically Tulsi Gabbard with more support, and she's evil. She is not leftist. 1
Communion Posted January 14 Posted January 14 (edited) 4 hours ago, Harrier said: This party has a platform that actually is the logical conclusion of a nationalist-leaning leftist worldview that centres local working people, and properly analyses the impact of high immigration on working class people. Particularly in regards to cost of housing & wages. A lot of leftist and liberal Americans are in complete denial about this. To be clear I do not share the views of this party. But I think their internal logic is clearer than that of American leftists and liberals who outright dismiss and handwave away any negative issues associated with mass immigration, rather than adressing the real growing pains that occur when you have lots of new people coming in. Like, it is a party that clearly exists to go to bat for the interests of working class Germans above all else. As someone who is pretty internationalist, I don't agree, but I at least get it. I mean, sis, I sense that you "get it" because you've repeated neocon rhetoric that writes off any class analysis on a global scale - or from a Third Worldist viewpoint - as "being a tankie" for acknowledging the basic fact that capitalism's exploitation occurs in a global hierarchy, ironically despite literally admitting here that most attempts to rally the working class in the imperial core often leads to chauvinism and that any kind of revolutionary politics can only be led by those in the periphery. Wanna know what also causes mass global migration that then destabilizes economies and hurts working class people? US foreign policy. Maybe if we started referring to Western Chauvinism as something like European Jihad, it would get the girls feeling some type of way. Going to start exclusively referring to those who talk about the 'sanctity' of European identity as the EUjahideen. Edited January 14 by Communion
SlowGinFizzzz Posted January 14 Posted January 14 (edited) I don't think categorising BSW as "far-left" is the correct (or smart) thing to do, German-speaking analysts don't really describe them as that and neither does Wagenknecht herself. I guess the closest international equivalent to this party would be the Danish Social Democrats. It's definitely going to be interesting to see if BSW manages to permanently reshape the German political landscape, and if yes, how that might affect other European countries as well. Personally, I don't necessarily agree with all of their views (especially when it comes to international matters), but in general I do think that BSW is simply filling a gap in the political spectrum by offering a home for people that have left-wing views on economic issues, but more conservative ones when it comes to socio-political stuff, including migration. Wagenknecht's main critique of her former party, die Linke, has always been that they focused too much on "lifestyle-leftist topics" like gender issues, political correctness etc. instead of supporting the classic working class, which used to be their target demographic. Edited January 14 by SlowGinFizzzz 1
Harrier Posted January 15 Posted January 15 7 hours ago, Communion said: I mean, sis, I sense that you "get it" because you've repeated neocon rhetoric that writes off any class analysis on a global scale - or from a Third Worldist viewpoint - as "being a tankie" for acknowledging the basic fact that capitalism's exploitation occurs in a global hierarchy, ironically despite literally admitting here that most attempts to rally the working class in the imperial core often leads to chauvinism and that any kind of revolutionary politics can only be led by those in the periphery. Wanna know what also causes mass global migration that then destabilizes economies and hurts working class people? US foreign policy. Maybe if we started referring to Western Chauvinism as something like European Jihad, it would get the girls feeling some type of way. Going to start exclusively referring to those who talk about the 'sanctity' of European identity as the EUjahideen. Global revolution against European Jihad, you're right this will surely be the narrative that will unite the global working class and crush capitalism forever This post is a perfect encapsulation of why a party such as the BSW is finding an actual electoral foothold, while the online communist left continues to be fringe and only represented at protests and meetings on obscure discord servers 1 2
Communion Posted January 15 Posted January 15 (edited) 7 hours ago, Harrier said: Global revolution against European Jihad, you're right this will surely be the narrative that will unite the global working class and crush capitalism forever This post is a perfect encapsulation of why a party such as the BSW is finding an actual electoral foothold, while the online communist left continues to be fringe and only represented at protests and meetings on obscure discord servers Just don't think one can claim class consciousness when one's sympathies for what poor people don't deserve to suffer is defined by what borders they live in! You not getting that I'm hyperpolicly calling Europeans jihadists so they too can enjoy the loving spread of American democracy kind of proves that point, sis. How many anti-immigrantion Europeans are standing with American leftists against US foreign policy? Keep in mind I'm already being generous and placing a majority blame on US foreign policy. Yet there's things like Germany wanting to advocate for Israel at the ICJ. Surely Germans who support Israel's genocide of Palestinians, for example, know its then Germany's responsibility to house and home all 2M Gazan refugees, right? When do the flights into Berlin start? Rounding up poor people and mass deporting them to another country or things like this just seem bad! Edited January 15 by Communion
Nintendoes Posted January 15 Posted January 15 Sahra Wagenknecht wants to be Alice Weidel so bad CDU/CSU should step up their game or AfD will replace them.
SlowGinFizzzz Posted January 15 Posted January 15 5 minutes ago, Nintendoes said: Sahra Wagenknecht wants to be Alice Weidel so bad I just remembered that short-lived era where everyone on Tiktok was shipping #Weidelknecht. Simpler times...
constantinople Posted January 15 Posted January 15 23 hours ago, Communion said: I love how the average European country's political system is: "Hi, I'm a labour supporter! We believe in the power of the rural working class! We will stand up to the elites, including transgenders and the migrants they mass import!" "Hi, I'm a liberal! Our party supports abortion rights, racial diversity, and LGBTQ people! Except for the poor ones! Who I think should be mauled by dogs!" "Hi, I'm a conservative! Our party is led by an immigrant woman of color or gay white man! We hate nothing more than high taxes and laws protecting minorities!" "Hi, I'm a nationalist! Our party is literally run by the great-grand-children of nazis! At our meetings we chant that Moroccans are dirty invaders! #KeepEuropaWhite" At least they have popular left-wing parties. The US don't even have an organized and popular left-wing party at the end of the day
velocity Posted January 15 Posted January 15 western europe has an immigration problem and the fact that leftists online won't admit to is why they keep losing 3
MonsterJohn Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Can't wait to get the citizenship to vote for the party with strict immigration policy
MattieB Posted January 17 Posted January 17 On 1/14/2024 at 4:50 PM, Yog said: Nevermind than I take back my clap.. Did you even look it up first?
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