celeb news Ariana praises Paula Abdul after ripping off Cold Hearted Snake video

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3 hours ago, descg said:

Look the views of Rush Rush and the views of that video of Whitney (it's not one of her biggest hits), was bigger in THAT moment AND in USA, also nobodys remeber Hush Hush nowdays. 

That's irrelevant to @Dr. Alexander's point. That video of Whitney and her mom bitching about Paula's success (and Janet's) was about THAT moment back in 1991 when the song was huge. We all know that Whitney surpassed "Rush Rush" with the The Bodyguard singles a year later; her music is now more remembered (and more global) so even her smaller hits are streamed by association thanks to her huge name. On the other hand, most people who didn't live in the US the late 80s or early 90s don't know of Paula's music career. Her 6 #1 hits aren't really remembered or used in any TV shows, commercials, movies, etc.

 

FYI - the "Rush Rush" music video was blocked in the US (the song's biggest market) until 2022 so the 60 million views it has is impressive, especially when Virgin Records didn't even release the song or album globally.

 

1 hour ago, Kool_Aid_King said:

Paula Abdul is not a legend, but other than that you're right.

 

I like how they included Nicole in there as well (their other fave  ) 

29 minutes ago, ChrisTheLoner said:

Yeah I should've said icon as that is more fitting 

I'm glad you noticed. 

 

And Paula is a legend in this context. She is a legend when it comes to dance/choreography, which is why even Azealia Banks references her when dragging others (second video):

 

 

53 minutes ago, Kool_Aid_King said:

Although Rush Rush was a big hit, to undermine Whitney's mega smash ballads is ingenuine. The charts in the 80s (Pre-Nielsen) were definitely all over the place where record labels would push a single, and then drop it like a hot potato and then immediately send another. Additionally there was a LOT of fraudulence and payola rampant since most of the sales were self-reported.

 

Whitney was pressed that someone who doesn't sing well at all and is "off-key on the record" was able to get success due to her image... referring to Paula's debut which had 6 bonafide hits on it and 4 #1 singles. (Paula was Off-key on Forever Your Girl & Opposites Attract)

 

42 minutes ago, Dr. Alexander said:

Oh, you’re preaching to the choir. I am very familiar with Paula and Whitney’s charting history, and the music industry pre-SoundScan and after.

 

It is quite funny though how she takes a jab at her image because Paula didn’t have one. It’s not as if she marketed herself as this artist with edge, or sexually provocative, or anything like that. She was just a nice girl who could dance her behind off, and that’s what she was marketed as. Maybe Whitney was high and mixed her up with Madonna or something 

Rush Rush" was released after the Soundscan era began and it ended being her biggest single. Also, the 90s were full of payola also. 

 

As for image, all artists have an image. Paula was the "exotic" modern girl next door and the contemporary answer to America's sweetheart. She was seen as ethnically ambiguous back then and her label capitalized on that. She also helped popular dance/choreography and that was seen as cool back then. Her image/looks/style definitely helped her succeed.

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11 hours ago, Inverted said:

That's irrelevant to @Dr. Alexander's point. That video of Whitney and her mom bitching about Paula's success (and Janet's) was about THAT moment back in 1991 when the song was huge. We all know that Whitney surpassed "Rush Rush" with the The Bodyguard singles a year later; her music is now more remembered (and more global) so even her smaller hits are streamed by association thanks to her huge name. On the other hand, most people who didn't live in the US the late 80s or early 90s don't know of Paula's music career. Her 6 #1 hits aren't really remembered or used in any TV shows, commercials, movies, etc.

Its not irrelevant because Whitney was bigger before in the 80's not after The Bodyguard, but whatever Paula Abdul stan. 

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16 hours ago, descg said:

Its not irrelevant because Whitney was bigger before in the 80's not after The Bodyguard, but whatever Paula Abdul stan. 

Huh? Whitney peaked with The Bodyguard and it's singles completely eclipsed the success of "Rush Rush." If you're trying to say Whitney was bigger than Paula in the 80s, I don't see anyone in this thread saying that Paula was the bigger artist. Again, completely irrelevant to what anyone said in this thread.

 

I think you're very confused. I'll help you out. This is what happened in this thread:

 

1) Your first reply in this thread was a video of Whitney complaining about Paula (completely off topic btw) and people responded giving the context. Whitney and her mom were annoyed with Paula's success at that time, specifically in 1991 when the video was recorded. This was when Paula was seeing huge success with a ballad, which was shocking considering she was non-vocalist. It was especially insulting because at this same time Arista was pressuring Whitney to add choreography to her performances and release dance/new jack swing songs. All of this is fact.

 

2) You continued being confused telling the other user that Whitney's ballads have more streams... which is completely irrelevant to the video. Everyone knows that Whitney's songs (even her smaller hits) are more remembered and were global releases. How that does contradict the context given to the video?

 

Please improve your reading comprehension.

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17 hours ago, Inverted said:

1) Your first reply in this thread was a video of Whitney complaining about Paula (completely off topic btw) and people responded giving the context. Whitney and her mom were annoyed with Paula's success at that time, specifically in 1991 when the video was recorded. This was when Paula was seeing huge success with a ballad, which was shocking considering she was non-vocalist. It was especially insulting because at this same time Arista was pressuring Whitney to add choreography to her performances and release dance/new jack swing songs. All of this is fact.

 

2) You continued being confused telling the other user that Whitney's ballads have more streams... which is completely irrelevant to the video. Everyone knows that Whitney's songs (even her smaller hits) are more remembered and were global releases. How that does contradict the context given to the video?

 

Please improve your reading comprehension.

1) Was a joke, ok that was the reason of the conversation of them according to you. And? 

2) The point of the video (All The Man That I Need) is to say that there is a ballad of the same year of Whitney that was a hit not only also the streams thing, i said that in the comments, maybe you are the one that need improve the comprehension.

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5 hours ago, descg said:

1) Was a joke, ok that was the reason of the conversation of them according to you. And? 

2) The point of the video (All The Man That I Need) is to say that there is a ballad of the same year of Whitney that was a hit not only also the streams thing, i said that in the comments, maybe you are the one that need improve the comprehension.

I understood exactly what you said.  

 

And like I already repeated multiple times, Whitney won at the end; even her singles that weren't as big at that time are more streamed and remembered. No one here is trying to say Paula is better than Whitney and I find the video amusing also.