woohoo Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 26 minutes ago, byzantium said: The fact that you see this through the lens of religion rather than settler colonialism means that you yourself are not taking your own advice. Most if not all wars are religion motivated. Whether it’s over land and other things on top of religion it’s still involved. The only one I can think of is Russia and Ukraine in recent memory. Religion and money are the root of all evil and will cause the fall of the human race. Without religion 90% of the wars wouldn’t have happened. Sadly people have to look to a higher power because they need someone to blame when something doesn’t go right instead of owning up to their foul ways. Its always Well my religion says I have to convert them or eliminate them. It’s never im a blood thirsty control freak who needs everyone thinking and doing as I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folkhoax Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 hour ago, ZeroSuitBritney said: 50% of people who voted for Biden in 2020 think Israel is committing genocide. You're saying half of democrats are pro-terrorism? https://news.gallup.com/poll/548084/americans-divided-involvement-middle-east.aspx Roughly 60% of the dems in this poll support Israel. Unfortunately, this issue is highly divisive and will further divide dems in the coming elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folkhoax Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 56 minutes ago, LIT said: Given that the majority of Americans under 30 now believe Israel is committing genocide…this rhetoric is bound to fail Like, calling for an end to the indiscriminate genocidal slaughtering of innocent civilians is “Mr. Putin’s message”? Democrat politicians are so incredibly out-of-touch and delusional. It's a thin line. It's a messy situation for the dems right now. Because you have hard line far left dems (Tlaib) who have outright supported eradication of Israel, and then you have the centrists who look like they are patronizing Republicans. I don't think they are delusional at all. In fact, they are probably the most sensible dem politicians right now. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gov Hooka Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 This botched scarecrow needs to kick the bucket already like the rest of her genocidal warmongering party Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAP Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 “Some I think are connected to Russia”, well good thing you aren’t paid to think then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ZeroSuitBritney Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 hour ago, folkhoax said: It's a thin line. It's a messy situation for the dems right now. Because you have hard line far left dems (Tlaib) who have outright supported eradication of Israel, and then you have the centrists who look like they are patronizing Republicans. I don't think they are delusional at all. In fact, they are probably the most sensible dem politicians right now. Quick, tell the room where Rashida called for the eradication of Israel without quoting "From the River to the Sea" which has been said time and time again, has nothing to do with eradicating Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folkhoax Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 9 minutes ago, ZeroSuitBritney said: Quick, tell the room where Rashida called for the eradication of Israel without quoting "From the River to the Sea" which has been said time and time again, has nothing to do with eradicating Israel. lol keep telling yourself that 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashAndBurn Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 3 hours ago, playwithme said: She's absolutely correct, and she remains the best politician in the US. Wait, @Kassi is this you? Did you forget to swap accounts or something? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 4 hours ago, woohoo said: And people of Islam join conservatives when it comes LGBTQ rights so what’s your point? Religion is trash and people need to wake up and grow up and stop killing each other over whose fairytale book is better. Religion is just stan wars with violence and genocide. I wouldn’t expect any less from the simple minded people of religions, literal primitive smooth brains. At some point in a few hundred years all that will be left are rational people after all the bigots take each other out. That is if one of the bigots doesn’t launch a nuke in a temper tantrum before then. 3 hours ago, folkhoax said: If you think being anti-terrorism is a MAGA thing, then you're not paying attention. Majority of the US population support Israel, who is our ally, btw. 3 hours ago, playwithme said: She's absolutely correct, and she remains the best politician in the US. 3 hours ago, helikesitheymikey said: Pro hamas is just the other side of the pro maga coin. You kids are getting your news from sources and you have no idea where it’s coming from. Wouldn’t doubt its coming from russia. No icon. All dupes. IP bans at this point. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helikesitheymikey Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 44 minutes ago, Communion said: No icon. All dupes. IP bans at this point. Russian bot. get lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 6 minutes ago, helikesitheymikey said: Russian bot. get lost. ? lol IP check! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) 5 hours ago, playwithme said: We have far-left activist Owen Jones calling South Africa "the leader of the free world" while South Africa supports the invasion of Ukraine and supplies russia with weapons. South Africa does not "support Russia's invasion of Ukraine". They join the majority of the world in neither supporting any military aggression and calling for diplomacy. There have also not been any weapons provided from South Africa to Russia, with the only mention of such being a baseless US accusation that was found to be false after an investigation by the South African government. You genuinely think - due to being a Western chauvinist - that you're "on the right side of history" and that the world as-is can only function in the shadow of Western hegemony. You genuinely think the Western world is in some moral battle against terrorists for the fate of the world. We should believe you for the supremacist you are. And it is this genuine belief that stops you from being able to see how your biases come across to most people and appear hypocritical. It's like Harrier screaming about "tankies and campists viewing the world in black and white!!" - not realizing your lot's rhetoric has already organized people into "camps" and hold a black and white view of the world. You've already prefaced that your view holds the Western world is the moral leadership of the world and no amount of claiming to condemn 'individual bad actors' changes how this comes through in the rhetoric. South Africa, like many non-Western nations, doesn't end all trade relations with Russia in face of their genocide of Ukrainians? Evil, supporting the destruction of Ukraine, etc. America not only not ending relations with Israel but actively aiding their genocide of Palestinians? Fine, perfectly okay, Palestinians are Muslims and thus terrorists and deserve to die. You've already said the world is black and white - Ukrainians are good, Palestinians are bad. Ukrainians are deserving of empathy, Palestinians are violent Moslem orcs calling for the destruction of Western civilization. Explain this to me - why do all the largest Eastern European news sources who came to prominence off of Russia-Ukraine support Israel, for example? Edited January 28 by Communion 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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elevate Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Ugh, I can't believe y'all are headed for another Trump victory. I hope at least other countries are more wary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashAndBurn Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 9 hours ago, Aristotle said: Yeah it'll be a bit hypocritical for Trump to cut off the aid to Ukraine and continue giving Israel but with him you never know. Nah, it would be personally motivated. Trump has a deep hatred for Ukraine because his first impeachment happened over him trying to strongarm them into launching a fake investigation into Biden and his son's ties to Burisma. That's not even considering the admiration Trump has for authoritarians like Putin. He deeply wishes he could have consolidated power in exactly that kind of way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashAndBurn Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 But anyway, let’s berate the protesters who oppose this and smear them as Russian plants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letemtalk Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) On 1/28/2024 at 8:04 AM, Communion said: Because it's a country founded on an ethno-nationalist ideology. That's what Zionism is. It's literally just far-right ethno-nationalism. And just like every other far-right ethno-nationalist movement, they too have a "Greater ______" belief rooted in taking other people's land. I present what is referred to as "Greater Israel": For those who didn't know, that is Israeli finance minister Bezalel Smotrich and as finance minister, one of the most senior ministers in the Israeli government. His grandfather emigrated to Palestine from Ukraine prior to the outbreak of WWII. His last name is derived from the Ukrainian town of Smotrych, so naturally he considers it his birthright to live in an illegal West Bank settlement and invade Jordan and parts of Syria and Lebanon as indicated by the map. He has made multiple racist and homophobic statements. Quote A year after the disengagement, Smotrich won a measure of public infamy for helping organize a protest against the gay pride parade in Jerusalem, the so-called Beast Parade. Then a senior activist in the radical right-wing, religious activist organization Kommemiyut, Smotrich and others in the group marched through Jerusalem with donkeys, goats and other animals, carrying signs decrying the “uncleanliness” of LGBT pride. https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-bezalel-smotrich-rode-unfiltered-radicalism-and-unforgiving-politics-to-power/ These are the sort of people that Joe Biden and many in ATRL supports. Edited January 29 by Letemtalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playwithme Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 10 hours ago, Jjang said: what a load of crap The far-left supported the invasion of Ukraine. That's a fact. Where's the lie? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashAndBurn Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) 26 minutes ago, playwithme said: The far-left supported the invasion of Ukraine. That's a fact. Where's the lie? As per usual from liberals, you make assertions with no substance. The far-left (AS A WHOLE) did not back Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Many here opposed it on pragmatic grounds, out of skepticism for America's benevolence and worry for Putin's erratic and reckless behavior (along with Biden's own Cold Warrior belligerence) leading us all down a rabbit hole towards nuclear annihilation. Did some leftists back Russia's invasion out of a rose-colored glasses view of a Soviet-era Russia that doesn't exist anymore and was never that good to its people to begin with? Sure. But the "far-left" is not a monolith, and not everyone views avoidable conflicts through the same lenses. In any case, I see not a single criticism from you on Israel denying Ukraine the ability to use Iron Dome technology to defend itself either anyway. Edited January 29 by ClashAndBurn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckitty Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 13 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said: @Communion this is PEAK Democrat brain worms on display there's always some bogeyman for these people "KHAMAS!1!1!" "PUTIN!1!1!" "IRAN!1!11!" why answer questions honestly when you can throw accusations and fear monger people 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrier Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 48 minutes ago, playwithme said: The far-left supported the invasion of Ukraine. That's a fact. Where's the lie? This isn't a fair assertion. A fringe faction of the "left" that are just really just populist contrarions (ie Hinkle)? Sure. Dumb 16 year olds that think Putin's Russia is bringing back the Soviet Union? Sure. But I've seen very little on this website in favour of Russia, to everyone's credit. I have seen the endless war narrative questioned - but it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 the dupes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 11 hours ago, folkhoax said: lol keep telling yourself that from the river to the sea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chemist Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Wtf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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