news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[kyle256]

On 10/10/2023 at 2:39 PM, ZIVERT said:

Another result of Russia’s war on Ukraine. I’m sorry Egypt is going through that, I hope the situation will improve soon 

 

Damn

[ClashAndBurn]

1 hour ago, Kassi said:

The British didn’t “allocate land”. They allowed immigration of Jews into territories they occupied after a World War. Some 700,000 Jews went to the UK and like 300,000 to British Palestine.

 

Whether it was legitimately theirs or not is irrelevant because that’s not how wars work. Germany was occupied by like 4 allied countries. Japan was occupied by the US. And Italy was forced into major territorial concessions. That’s just the reality. War is not a video game where it ends after defeating the bad guy.

 

And by that point, some 2 million Jewish immigrants had already made it to the US fleeing pogroms, the Holocaust, and other atrocities. 
 

Fact is, Jews encountered discrimination everywhere they went e.g. “no blacks, no Jews, no dogs!”, yet found the grit to build up their isolated communities. In a place like the US, they were a minuscule enough percentage of the population to be left to their own devices (while black Americans took on the brunt of systemic racism). But the main contention in British Palestine was that Jewish immigrants were a large enough portion of the population to rival the Arabs socially, religiously, and economically. Unfortunately, rather than peacefully assimilate the population, local Arab leaders went full Trump. 
 

The British only reached the conclusion of a two state-solution when it became clear one population wanted to annihilate the other. And it was getting messy and expensive to administer the region.
 

Why do you hate immigrants?

Why are you so keen on transplanting communities from one place to another and displacing the people who already live there? Why are the lives of the ethnically cleansed people of Palestine or First Nations’ people of the Americas not significant enough for your concern?

 

British Zionism had been aiming to displace the Arabs living on that land they had colonized after partitioning the collapsed Ottoman Empire decades before WWII in order to set up a Jewish state there. It’s always been to fulfill a religious fantasy. Two-state solution was always a delusion (why should you expect one side to accept that they were literally forced out of their homes by colonizers???), and due to western backing, the only outcome was ever going to be the genocide of the Palestinian Arabs you so clearly have no care for.

[besaid]

6 hours ago, Scars said:

So, you decided to bold the part that I've mentioned your talking point, but conveniently left out the part that I ask you to explain to us what part of the statement back up your claim. Why is that? Why can't your answer which exact part of the text a "palestinian resistance" is "praised" or even addressed at all? 

 

Yeah, no. I won't entertain this. You're out here literally endorsing the harassment of college-aged students from a historically oppressed group because you believe they deserve "accountability" and even randomly down-voted a post from a personal friend of one these students simply because that member shared with us their worry for the safety of their friend. To make things even worse, you can't even point to us which part of the statement explicitly endorses and/or call for violence.

 

There's a huge difference between criticizing a statement that you don't agree with and cheering on students being threatened because you think their words can be "confusing" for the zionist mob. It really makes us put into perspective all the eassys written by other members here about pro-palestinian supporters being the ones looking for "vengeance".

"The coming days will require a firm stand against colonial retaliation." No Retaliation against what and who? Said to the nation defending against the largest mass slaughter of Jews since the Holocaust. And yes, I am absolutely defending those adult graduate students at Harvard catching blowback who signed this disgusting agitprop. Nobody endorses threats but the vast majority of criticism has been disgust at that callous and fraudulent statement which is 100% warranted.

 

4 hours ago, Gov Hooka said:

Imagine thinking that letter is bad and not the absolute genocidal destruction Israel is wreaking on Gaza at this very moment. You guys are sick. 

There is no "genocidal destruction" happening in Gaza. Israel is targeting Hamas who disgustingly hide in residential homes and stockpile munitions in schools and public buildings, which is long documented.

[brazil]

Israel is the product of British colonialism and European antisemitism. This is a fact, Zionists need to stop trying to rewrite history!

[Communion]

45 minutes ago, besaid said:

 Said to the nation defending against the largest mass slaughter of Jews since the Holocaust. 

 

There is no "genocidal destruction" happening in Gaza. 

For those reading, this user has somehow come to both these conclusions at the same time despite that the numbers of Palestinians killed will soon, if not already, be greater than the reported number of Israelis killed. And that once again it is clear Palestinian life is worth 1/10th of an Israeli life when Palestinians will have incurred factually more death and yet the rhetoric from the genocidal regime is that the true retaliation against Gazans has not yet even started. 

Edited October 12, 2023 by Communion

[Riot]

4 hours ago, campelo said:

is BBC a good source to be updated? 

Generally yes, but they've made it very obvious that they are siding with Israel lately

Edited October 12, 2023 by Riot

[airplane]

 

 

[Scars]

4 hours ago, Kassi said:

I shared the piece. It’s not that deep. The sentiment is basically that Europe or the US could have allotted the Jews a small piece of their VAST country, like Mormons in Utah.

 

The piece was in fact nuanced and thoughtful.

 

At it’s core, it’s always been a refugee/immigration crisis. The fact that y’all fail to connect Jewish migration out of Europe with literal genocide is troubling. Israel was a result of about 10% “neo-colonialism” and 90% Hitler.

Yeah, no. There's a vast difference between expressing the sentiment that more jewish refuges should've been given asylum in the West and saying that maybe things would be better if Israel, an independent etnho-nation, was built on some other land. Words have meaning.

 

Israel can't be only a "10% result of neo-colonialism" because the Zionist movement designed it as a colonial state at it's *core* and presented it to the world as such. The complete disregard to the harm caused on the local population already living there by mass displacement, brutal murder and constant annexation of land, in order to create a state and artificially maintain one ethnic group as the demographic majority is troubling. 

Edited October 12, 2023 by Scars

[GhostBox]

 

[airplane]

 

This is the exact generalised mindset the majority of users on this site have.

Edited October 12, 2023 by airplane

[Kassi]

1 hour ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Why are you so keen on transplanting communities from one place to another and displacing the people who already live there? Why are the lives of the ethnically cleansed people of Palestine or First Nations’ people of the Americas not significant enough for your concern?

 

British Zionism had been aiming to displace the Arabs living on that land they had colonized after partitioning the collapsed Ottoman Empire decades before WWII in order to set up a Jewish state there. It’s always been to fulfill a religious fantasy. Two-state solution was always a delusion (why should you expect one side to accept that they were literally forced out of their homes by colonizers???), and due to western backing, the only outcome was ever going to be the genocide of the Palestinian Arabs you so clearly have no care for.

"Transplanting communities"... oh. Is that what we're calling asylum-seeking immigrants now?

 

 

At least, for my part, I can say that my views on immigration are consistent across the board (open borders, yes!). But it's good to know that you would have opposed the "transplanting of Jewish communities" in the US during the Holocaust. It's giving major "Jews will not replace us!" energy.

 

My point is that NO ONE had to be ~displaced~. That's precisely the myth that led to Palestinian intransigence and unwillingness to blend cultures prior to a two-state solution. And also the logic that factors into anti-immigration sentiment espoused by the American far right.

 

Conversely, yes, the US settlers had it wrong. Populations moved all the time, so there was actually no issue with them setting up camp somewhere in the vast expanse of North America (mind you the US is ranked like 150th in population density today). The failure was is not laying out a better framework for collaboration with the native American populations. And they probably would have been forced to had they not been colonial subjects backed by the military force of the British/Spanish/French empires. But that's a wholly different historical context and there's no wisdom in conflating the two.

 

On the list of factors that influenced the creation of Israel, British Zionism is at the very bottom of a very, very long list that includes over 100 atrocities leading up to the Holocaust. So I won't even entertain that.

[Domination]

The Harvard letter was pretty bad but I don’t think it’s fair for their names to be released. It’s pretty dystopian actually.

 

That being said, as always is the case with private higher education, the letter coming from an Ivy is so rich.

[Aethereal]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

For those reading, this user has somehow come to both these conclusions at the same time despite that the numbers of Palestinians killed will soon, if not already, be greater than the reported number of Israelis killed. And that once again it is clear Palestinian life is worth 1/10th of an Israeli life when Palestinians will have incurred factually more death and yet the rhetoric from the genocidal regime is that the true retaliation against Gazans has not yet even started. 

The number of victims is almost 50/50 on both sides. +1100 Palestians vs +1200 Israelis, considering Israel murdered over 2000 Palestinians in 2014, I am sure the death toll for Palestinians will peak this month so over 3000.

Edited October 12, 2023 by Aristotle

[ClashAndBurn]

3 minutes ago, Kassi said:

My point is that NO ONE had to be ~displaced~.

What the **** are you talking about???? The Israelis kicked the Arabs out of their homes and continue to do so with their settlement campaigns in the West Bank. You have ZERO grasp of what the settler-colonial project has done to these people. 

[Cloröx]

 

Flexing photo with IDF truly is something else 

 

 

[besaid]

51 minutes ago, airplane said:

 

 

First of all, it's well over a thousand dead on the Israeli side so get the numbers right. Secondly, many if not all of the dead on the palestinian side are the result of Hamas hiding and fighting inside residential zones, public buildings and even schools. Thirdly, this is a justified "retaliation" against terrorists who targeted Israeli civilians out of nowhere. Expecting Jews to stand there and be massacred while doing nothing is....

 

 

yeah that's antisemitic. 

[ClashAndBurn]

1 minute ago, besaid said:

First of all, it's well over a thousand dead on the Israeli side so get the numbers right. Secondly, many if not all of the dead on the palestinian side are the result of Hamas hiding and fighting inside residential zones, public buildings and even schools. Thirdly, this is a justified "retaliation" against terrorists who targeted Israeli civilians out of nowhere. Expecting Jews to stand there and be massacred while doing nothing is....

 

 

yeah that's antisemitic. 

Collective punishment is never justified. Actually monstrous rhetoric coming from you people, my GOD.

[Nicholai]

4 minutes ago, besaid said:

First of all, it's well over a thousand dead on the Israeli side so get the numbers right. Secondly, many if not all of the dead on the palestinian side are the result of Hamas hiding and fighting inside residential zones, public buildings and even schools. Thirdly, this is a justified "retaliation" against terrorists who targeted Israeli civilians out of nowhere. Expecting Jews to stand there and be massacred while doing nothing is....

 

 

yeah that's antisemitic. 

You had to be kidding.

[besaid]

2 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Collective punishment is never justified. Actually monstrous rhetoric coming from you people, my GOD.

So your expectation is that Israel does nothing because if they strike Hamas they might kill the civilians they hide behind and launch massacres and missiles from? 

[ClashAndBurn]

Just now, besaid said:

So your expectation is that Israel does nothing because if they strike Hamas they might kill the civilians they hide behind and launch massacres and missiles from? 

Your expectation is that Palestinians should lie back and take whatever oppression Israel deems fit to serve them under their apartheid rule, so yeah! Pretty much!

[Cloröx]

 

 

[Kitty Kat]

Jerusalem Post now also reporting on the beheadings. 

[Kitty Kat]

 

[State of Grace.]

I had to read some takes on this page like 3 times because they cant be serious

[fememeist]

11 hours ago, Delirious said:

Sick to my stomach

WARNING NSFW!!!!

 

Thanks for the NSFW, but do you know how to add spoiler tags on your videos? Twitter shows thumbnail previews and the last video you posted was really graphic.