Bosque Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) No one who was involved in committing the 1904-1908 genocide (which has been adressed by Germany and resulted in substantial monetary payments by Germany) is even alive nowadays, so I fail to see how this makes any logical sense. Funny how South Africa literally occupied Namibia for several decades and killed tens of thousands of Namibians as recently as 1988, subjugating them to literal and proven Apartheid policies,but she didn't seem to have a problem with South Africa's stance on Israel? In any case, the ICJ court case against Israel is already in full swing and Germany has literally 0 connection to it, so I guess she's already preparing her PR campaign when South Africa inevitably is unable to prove their case. Edited January 13 by Dephira 3 14
Communion Posted January 13 Posted January 13 21 minutes ago, Dephira said: (which has been adressed by Germany and resulted in substantial monetary payments by Germany) Oh so the far-right Germans know more about how much Germany has atoned for genocide in Namibia than the leaders of Namibia itself, whose entire issue is that Germany has not sufficiently atoned for the horrors it committed? It's so wild you cannot understand yourself as on the wrong side of history. Your racialized chauvinism and view of the world as West vs its enemies that must be crushed prove this thread true about Germans as a people: 22 minutes ago, Dephira said: and Germany has literally 0 connection to it Germany is literally advocated to be part of Israel's defense: 3
Communion Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) Also, I'm sorry, but this made me scream: 29 minutes ago, Dephira said: the 1904-1908 genocide (which has been adressed by Germany *clicks link* Germany officially recognises colonial-era Namibia genocide 28th May 2021, 10:29 EDT If it takes you over a century to recognize you committed a genocide and have had to have your arm twisted to both appropriately atone and be held accountable for it, maybe you should be quiet when speaking up in defense of other genocides being committed. Who next is Israel going to invite to the ICJ to speak on its moral character and offer expertise dismissing intent of genocide - WWII Japan? Edited January 13 by Communion 9 1
Mean Trees Posted January 13 Posted January 13 The genociders know better as to what Genocide is? What a ridiculous notion. 3
State of Grace. Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) Whew that was a read. An incredible statement. Whack it for me! It’s deeply disturbing (albeit unsurprising) that "never again" can't be applied to Palestinian people. Edited January 13 by State of Grace. 3
Nova_23 Posted January 13 Posted January 13 2 hours ago, ZeroSuitBritney said: Any aerial footage of the DC march yet? Live stream https://www.instagram.com/p/C2DoEXyxWRZ/?igsh=MXZ1Y3R6cHYwZDBvNA== 2
DAP Posted January 13 Posted January 13 There really is no better pastime than putting an idiot in their place with a scathing clap back 1 9
State of Grace. Posted January 14 Posted January 14 The way he stays making Zionists pressed and angry and the only thing they can come up with is twisting his words to spread a fake quote and reporting him to the police 8 1 2
Both Sides Now Posted January 14 Posted January 14 The numbers in Dublin today were absolutely staggering. I’ve been to 4 marches and this was by far the largest despite shite weather. Keep applying the pressure. 5 4
ClashAndBurn Posted January 14 Posted January 14 Well, Americans in the Empire believe this about themselves even though we’ve been the bad guys in almost every war pursued since the first Gulf War. The Hague Invasion Act (which Biden actually surprisingly voted against, even though Hillary Clinton eagerly voted Yes) is still on the books, meaning we are “legally obligated” to invade and conquer the Netherlands if an American official is ever scrutinized for war crimes or complicity in genocide. 3
FOCK Posted January 14 Posted January 14 The way he’s had his ass handed to him this entire PR tour. 4 2
Luckitty Posted January 14 Posted January 14 get them again for me the grandchildren of the nazis really have the nerve 10
ClashAndBurn Posted January 14 Posted January 14 Biden White House floating batshit insane plans for post-war Gaza, and pushing back on credible reporting 20 hours after the EXTENDED deadline as a fabrication is wild. Discrediting journalists is exactly what Trump did, and now Biden is echoing that behavior because they know how indefensibly evil their positions on Israel are. Basically an even more incendiary version of Trump Administration's Abraham Accords... that led in part to October 7 happening to begin with. 2 1
Specter Posted January 14 Posted January 14 (edited) Some metacommentary from someone usually silently following this thread from time to time: You really have to be a depraved freak to react "haha" emojis over a post that chronicle an outpouring of solidarity with Palestine. Especially when that one user has laid out their politics so directly... Anyway, there's a march happening soon where I live; I will be going! Edited January 14 by Phantom 8 1
welham Posted January 14 Posted January 14 12 minutes ago, Phantom said: Some metacommentary from someone usually silently following this thread from time to time: You really have to be a depraved freak to react "haha" emojis over a post that chronicle an outpouring of solidarity with Palestine. Especially when that one user has laid out their politics so directly... Anyway, there's a march happening soon where I live; I will be going! Had the urge to comment this, but I wasn't sure if giving IT attention would lead to anything productive. Half of the Gazan population can die at this very monent, and his/her only reaction would be "but what about Khamas??!?1?! Nothing else could have been done ". Genocidal scum of the earth. 3
welham Posted January 14 Posted January 14 I have a feeling that no one, not even Israel's Western allies, expected how unhinged and in-your-face Israel is behaving. And all their actions now are them scrambling to save it from the consequences of its own actions, even though doubling down on their unconditional support is dragging them down and through the mud + threatens the legitimacy (if not the very existence) of the Western-dominated international order and institutions that they spent DECADES reinforcing. Truly a baffling sight to see, but it's a moment that I feel will be taught in history books as the precursor to something BIG to follow. And I'm not sure if that "big" thing would be good or bad for the people of the world (faster transition to a multi-polar world, a major war, etc.) 8
katara Posted January 14 Posted January 14 This thread really has become an anti-west, pro-islamism echo-chamber. Even islamists who are calling for massacres are getting upvoted a few comments up. Is this still ATRL or have I entered a website Hamas, the houthis and other muslim brotherhood terror groups use for propaganda? 2 17
Jjang Posted January 14 Posted January 14 (edited) 17 hours ago, Aristotle said: Removing illegal and violent settlements in West Bank will do wonders for peace and it will be the biggest step for a permanent ceasefire. Bombing hospitals will only make things, dramatically, worse. This is a last resort for Israel. Even a significant number of Israeli liberals/leftists believe this is anti-semitic and extremist. Despite the legality and apartheid issues. Judea and Samaria is "theirs" and no one can take it from them. That's the mentality. Also, I don't think most people realize just how entrenched those settlements already are in the land. The pace and volume at which they're expanding is unprecedented as well. Again, Israelis are not even slightly thinking of getting rid of those illegal settlements. The number will approach officially a million illegal settlers somewhere around 2026, evacuating them from those areas would seriously be considered a second Holocaust in Israel and would rage a psychotic war. It's beyond obvious that these slow-paced but carefully planted settlements serve the long-term goal of strategically forcing Jewish presence on Palestinian land in a way designed to disrupt and weaken Palestinian societies. So that when the time for the "big war" (read: the ethnic cleansing of the WB) comes, they'll have enough Jewish presence to aid the process. Kinda like before 1948 Also, this is a controversial take that many will disagree with me on - but as someone who knows the insides out of the lives of both Palestinians and Israelis alike, I can tell you Palestinians are much more accepting of the idea of living amongst Israelis. Israelis will give you ten thousand (racist) excuses before even entertaining that idea. For Israelis, Palestinians are "a distant other" despite living next to them. It's impossible to erase this "fear" in them. A one-state solution is seriously the only plausible solution. Maybe a two-state solution could have worked many many decades ago. No more. Edited January 14 by Jjang 6
FOCK Posted January 14 Posted January 14 Foot. On. Neck. This was an excellent line of questioning. 1
State of Grace. Posted January 14 Posted January 14 57 minutes ago, katara said: anti-west yes, and? 4 7 2
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