Specter Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Aristotle said: Israelis will have to leave at the best scenario. Please. I beg. Let's all stop giving ANY credence to the idea that a solution anyone serious is proposing is the displacement of Israeli Jewish citizens. This **** is perpetuated also by bad-faith actors when in places like the United States and Canada, conversations about land rights and native populations happen, at which point some hysterical white lady shrieks "WHERE WILL I GO?" Israel should not exist = Israel as a state with its current borders should not exist. It's so funny to me how the land available to Palestinians has been shrinking horribly — showing y'all just how unfortunately malleable "borders" can be — and yet this acknowledgement is never present when it comes to the rather timid idea of Israel's configuration as a state having to change. Edited January 3 by Phantom 3
Aethereal Posted January 3 Posted January 3 1 minute ago, Phantom said: Please. I beg. Let's all stop giving ANY credence to the idea that a solution anyone serious is proposing is the displacement of Israeli Jewish citizens. This **** is perpetuated also by bad-faith actors when in places like the United States and Canada, conversations about land rights and native populations happen, at which point some hysterical white lady shrieks "WHERE WILL I GO?" Israel should not exist = Israel as a state with its current borders should not exist. It's so funny to me how the land available to Palestinians has been shrinking horribly — showing y'all just how unfortunately malleable "borders" can be — and yet this acknowledgement is never present when it comes to the rather timid idea of Israel's configuration as a state having to change. I don't think you understand what I am talking about.
Specter Posted January 3 Posted January 3 1 minute ago, Aristotle said: I don't think you understand what I am talking about. Unless I misread (possible) because it is pretty late here and I am sleep deprived, your post that I quoted was implying that Israelis and Palestinians cannot be in one state, correct? And that the best scenario is Israeli citizens having to leave? If there is broader context I am missing, my bad.
45seconds Posted January 3 Posted January 3 4 hours ago, State of Grace. said: Of course, there are people in Israel who are against the war crimes happening there but the majority of Israelis are genocidal freaks. Manyyyyy of them have blood on their hands as well because Israel made IDF service mandatory. So they're barely even "civilians". The Israeli "liberals" like the ones listed above might oppose Bibi and his government but they're still 100% pro-apartheid and pro-occupation. That's the "normal" state there for all parties from left to right wing. All of the parties are in agreement when it comes to this. Israel is a genocidal society and liberal zionists are still...zionists at the end of the day. Can you quickly list all the non-Arab political parties in Israel that oppose the occupation and genocide? Or I'll do it for you: Meretz. ONE party. And they quite literally couldn't even garner enough votes to get a seat in the Knesset. You're just being purposefully dense if you still believe that a liberal government wouldn't have been murdering and carpet-bombing Gazans too. You still absolutely danced around my original comment. Polling does not justify the bombing and kidnapping of civilians. I find it bizarre when pro Israel claim that Palestine is Hamas (who were elected) to justify killing people and the reverse is also true. 1
VOSS Posted January 3 Posted January 3 6 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said: It took them THIS long to condemn stated intent to commit ethnic cleansing from Israeli government officials? What about the comments Netanyahu reportedly made in the Likid meeting a few days ago? Yall gonna ignore that one? Why is this coming from a state department employee on Twitter Biden needs to say something. He looks worse each day.
ClashAndBurn Posted January 3 Posted January 3 1 hour ago, VOSS said: Why is this coming from a state department employee on Twitter Biden needs to say something. He looks worse each day. Biden himself supports the ethnic cleansing, so getting him to make a statement against Ben-Gvir and Smotrich is going to be difficult. It's clear that the State is having to go around the president to secure US interests and save face. As it has had to do throughout his and Trump's entire presidencies.
pirateking Posted January 3 Posted January 3 8 hours ago, Harrier said: I don't deny the reality of Israeli bloodlust following Oct 7th - I instead fight against the reason for posting and spreading it, which in the case of Hamas supporting members, is to justify Oct 7th and more violence of that nature. But anyone with any understanding of history knows it is normal in wartime for a populace to be emotional and angry at their enemies. This does not mean that we should undermine their civillian status, as members continuously do so. International law exists for a reason - it's not WW2 anymore. There are polls showing massive Palestinian support for violence and/or for Hamas. These are often used to justify the genocide in Gaza. This is unacceptable and members can see that. Yet they are happy to dehumanize Israeli Jews in the same manner, because its about tribalism and not about principles. Again, everything I argue here is about fighting against narratives that contribute to violence. I desperately want ceasefire. The left at the moment seems decidedly unsure and all over the place aboit if it actually wants ceasefire and that is... scary. ^ when western right-wing nazi media is your only source of information. stfu Harrier!
FOCK Posted January 3 Posted January 3 Same tired tactic. Publicise a horrific headline, then retract quietly once it’s spread & served its purpose.
Pendulum Posted January 3 Posted January 3 Ukrainians vehemently defending Israhell is mind-boggling let's ask Azov what they think! 4
Luckitty Posted January 3 Posted January 3 Biden has publicly been extremely zionist for like half a century now, idk why some people expect anything from him that's why i find it funny when democrats tell arab & muslim americans boycotting the elections that trump would've been worse to palestinians
pirateking Posted January 3 Posted January 3 4 minutes ago, Luckitty said: Biden has publicly been extremely zionist for like half a century now, idk why some people expect anything from him that's why i find it funny when democrats tell arab & muslim americans boycotting the elections that trump would've been worse to palestinians Fun fact: Trump is the only president this century to not start any new wars.
Harrier Posted January 3 Posted January 3 4 hours ago, pirateking said: ^ when western right-wing nazi media is your only source of information. stfu Harrier! lmao thank you for your mass downvotes and your highly ingelligent nuanced reply, go off sis its so true though only someone consuming nazi media could possibly make my terrifyingly bigoted pro-peace arguments, you got me ! 1
pirateking Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Harrier said: lmao thank you for your mass downvotes and your highly ingelligent nuanced reply, go off sis its so true though only someone consuming nazi media could possibly make my terrifyingly bigoted pro-peace arguments, you got me ! my issue is that youre acting like the damages are severe and equal on both sides when this mess is one-sided and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians only Edited January 3 by pirateking
FOCK Posted January 3 Posted January 3 Do… they know they’ve got a genocide case with the ICJ next week?
Jjang Posted January 3 Posted January 3 apparently locking people up away from the rest of society for 20 years is not violence.
Jjang Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) 35 minutes ago, FOCK said: Do… they know they’ve got a genocide case with the ICJ next week? second video is horrifying. These people completely and utterly lost all context of humanity. #IOF-ISIS think once they wear those uniforms they are allowed to play God. And they will go back to Israel as “normal civilians”. free of any guilt or accountability. Edited January 3 by Jjang
FOCK Posted January 3 Posted January 3 12 minutes ago, Jjang said: second video is horrifying. These people completely and utterly lost all context of humanity. #IOF-ISIS think once they wear those uniforms they are allowed to play God. And they will go back to Israel as “normal civilians”. free of any guilt or accountability. It is horrifying. But what’s new with them
ClashAndBurn Posted January 3 Posted January 3 16 hours ago, Harrier said: There are polls showing massive Palestinian support for violence and/or for Hamas. These are often used to justify the genocide in Gaza. This is unacceptable and members can see that. Yet they are happy to dehumanize Israeli Jews in the same manner, because it’s about tribalism and not about principles. The difference here is that Israelis have the privilege of being hateful and revanchist while under the relative comfort of an Iron Dome keeping them safe from Hamas rocket barrages. And not every Palestinian is Hamas, yet they are regarded as such when Israel takes them prisoner, strips them down to their underwear and publishes their pictures on the internet with zero pushback from Joe Biden. Palestinians don’t have that luxury, and the “war” is a one-sided occupation. Your constant insistence on both-sides-ing a completely lopsided conflict that has the full backing of a deranged, genocidal US president completely shows your willingness to carry water for an ethnic cleansing campaign.
ClashAndBurn Posted January 3 Posted January 3 One of the most profoundly evil, twisted men in the entire US Government. He cried tears over white Ukrainians being killed by Russia and called that a genocide, but he provides cover when Israel slaughters tens of thousands of Palestinians. 4
FOCK Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) “Meritless and without any basis” Sure. Edited January 3 by FOCK
FOCK Posted January 4 Posted January 4 (edited) Netanyahu wants Dershowitz to represent Israel in the ICJ. The same man who is listed 137 times in the Epstein documents. The same man who wrote this. Edited January 4 by FOCK 2
Nova_23 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 3 hours ago, FOCK said: Netanyahu wants Dershowitz to represent Israel in the ICJ. The same man who is listed 137 in the Epstein documents. The same man who wrote this. Well Israel is where numerous Hollywood people have taken asylum after being accused of sexual assault so this isn’t surprising
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