news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[Thickorita]

'We are not another star on the American flag', alright cut the cameras and cut the funding then

 

[State of Grace.]

what wendy said

[ZIVERT]

Meanwhile, actual Israelis:

Everyone hates Ben Gvir. Everyone.

[State of Grace.]

1 minute ago, ZIVERT said:

Meanwhile, actual Israelis:

Everyone hates Ben Gvir. Everyone.

Cute attempt. Also actual Israelis:

 

 

Just because they hate a certain politician doesn't mean they don't actually support the ongoing genocide, ethnic cleansing and the military occupation. This "its just a bad government uwu" argument that yall Israel apologists keep repeating can stay in 2023. 

[Varrock]

4 minutes ago, Thickorita said:

'We are not another star on the American flag', alright cut the cameras and cut the funding then

 

They won’t, because Israel is the US’ only foot in the Middle East and I think they’re starting to realize that more and more lol. They both depend on each other, otherwise the Democratic Party would’ve cut ties ages ago. 

[45seconds]

1 minute ago, State of Grace. said:

Cute attempt. Also actual Israelis:

 

 

Just because they hate a certain politician doesn't mean they don't actually support the ongoing genocide, ethnic cleansing and the military occupation. This "its just a bad government uwu" argument that yall Israel apologists keep repeating can stay in 2023. 

You’re attempting to lump all of them together which I find kind of strange. Because there has been this weird as hell narrative that the bombing (kidnapping, etc) of Israeli people is somehow justified by some polling. 

[ZIVERT]

2 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

Cute attempt. Also actual Israelis:

 

 

Just because they hate a certain politician doesn't mean they don't actually support the ongoing genocide, ethnic cleansing and the military occupation. This "its just a bad government uwu" argument that yall Israel apologists keep repeating can stay in 2023. 

Source: Al-Mayadeen. I’m sure they have the finger on the pulse of the average Israeli.  

[rihannafan]

3 hours ago, Gui Blackout said:

A targeted strike on a wanted senior terrorist leader that is hiding like a little ***** in another country? Absolutely, yeah. 

 

And I'm not sure Lebanon is in a position to clutch pearls right now.

Oh my... 

[Bosque]

13 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

Cute attempt. Also actual Israelis:

 

 

Just because they hate a certain politician doesn't mean they don't actually support the ongoing genocide, ethnic cleansing and the military occupation. This "its just a bad government uwu" argument that yall Israel apologists keep repeating can stay in 2023. 

Considering that 72% of Palestinians believe that it was “correct” to actually murder over 1,000 Israelis in one day and take over 200 hostages, I’m not sure that a majority of Israelis being in favor of “encouraging voluntary immigration” paints the picture you would like painted

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-shows-soaring-support-for-hamas-in-west-bank-as-90-say-abbas-should-resign/amp/

 

Edited January 2, 2024 by Dephira

[Jjang]

5 minutes ago, ZIVERT said:

Source: Al-Mayadeen. I’m sure they have the finger on the pulse of the average Israeli.  

Actually the source is Israel’s Channel 14. I don’t know if you can read Hebrew but ‘Al-Mayadeen’ just translated the results.

 

68% - strongly support 

15% - moderately support 

8% - support but not strongly 

9% - do not support 

 

Another Israeli newspaper (called Liberal) with a majority leftist/liberal audience also did a survey asking whether Israel should occupy and re-settle in Gaza and the majority still voted yes. 

 

63% - yes 

26% - no 

11% - I don’t know 

[State of Grace.]

7 minutes ago, 45seconds said:

You’re attempting to lump all of them together which I find kind of strange. Because there has been this weird as hell narrative that the bombing (kidnapping, etc) of Israeli people is somehow justified by some polling. 

Of course, there are people in Israel who are against the war crimes happening there but the majority of Israelis are genocidal freaks. Manyyyyy of them have blood on their hands as well because Israel made IDF service mandatory. So they're barely even "civilians".

 

The Israeli "liberals" like the ones listed above might oppose Bibi and his government but they're still 100% pro-apartheid and pro-occupation. That's the "normal" state there for all parties from left to right wing.  All of the parties are in agreement when it comes to this. Israel is a genocidal society and liberal zionists are still...zionists at the end of the day.

 

6 minutes ago, ZIVERT said:

Source: Al-Mayadeen. I’m sure they have the finger on the pulse of the average Israeli.  

Can you quickly list all the non-Arab political parties in Israel that oppose the occupation and genocide?

 

Or I'll do it for you: Meretz. ONE party. And they quite literally couldn't even garner enough votes to get a seat in the Knesset. You're just being purposefully dense if you still believe that a liberal government wouldn't have been murdering and carpet-bombing Gazans too.

[FOCK]

2 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

It took them THIS long to condemn stated intent to commit ethnic cleansing from Israeli government officials?  

 

What about the comments Netanyahu reportedly made in the Likid meeting a few days ago? Yall gonna ignore that one?  

 

MANIACAL 

[ClashAndBurn]

27 minutes ago, ZIVERT said:

Meanwhile, actual Israelis:

Everyone hates Ben Gvir. Everyone.

Gantz would continue the current trajectory that Netanyahu is moving in. The Israeli population as a whole wants Palestinian blood spilled and cleansed out of Gaza. Even before October 7, there was no interest in peace, and everyone knows it

[Thickorita]

11 minutes ago, Dephira said:

Considering that 72% of Palestinians believe that it was “correct” to actually murder over 1,000 Israelis in one day and take over 200 hostages, I’m not sure that a majority of Israelis being in favor of “encouraging voluntary immigration” paints the picture you would like painted

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-shows-soaring-support-for-hamas-in-west-bank-as-90-say-abbas-should-resign/amp/

 

It's almost like starving, bombing, torturing and uprooting the vast majority of a population of over 2 million innocent people will turn them against you 

[Jjang]

15 minutes ago, Dephira said:

Considering that 72% of Palestinians believe that it was “correct” to actually murder over 1,000 Israelis in one day and take over 200 hostages, I’m not sure that a majority of Israelis being in favor of “encouraging voluntary immigration” paints the picture you would like painted

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-shows-soaring-support-for-hamas-in-west-bank-as-90-say-abbas-should-resign/amp/

 

You’d probably get similar results asking non-Palestinians as well. In either case, that’s not like 1% of the destruction inflicted on the Palestinian people and yet Israeli society supports that. if that doesn’t express how they view Palestinian lives as disposable then I don’t know what does. 

 

 

listen to your Israeli friend

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1hHcEqPT1-/?igsh=em5qZWg0bGpsbnlz

 

Edited January 2, 2024 by Jjang

[ZIVERT]

4 minutes ago, Jjang said:

Actually the source is Israel’s Channel 14. I don’t know if you can read Hebrew but ‘Al-Mayadeen’ just translated the results.

 

68% - strongly support 

15% - moderately support 

8% - support but not strongly 

9% - do not support 

 

Another Israeli newspaper (called Liberal) with a majority leftist/liberal audience also did a survey asking whether Israel should occupy and re-settle in Gaza and the majority still voted yes. 

 

63% - yes 

26% - no 

11% - I don’t know 

Just for consistency’s sake, is desiring the people of a hostile neighboring country to go elsewhere/be forced to move (in the immediate aftermath of what is perceived to be a terrorist attack) bad or good?

 

I don’t support the idea of moving Palestinians in Gaza away from their home, that’s bad.

[Aethereal]

How many civilians have died in this bombing? 

[Communion]

27 minutes ago, 45seconds said:

You’re attempting to lump all of them together 

It's...a poll. They are lumped together because they all answered the same answer when asked the same question. Are you arguing the policy of the ethnic cleansing of Gaza is not popular in Israel?

 

27 minutes ago, 45seconds said:

the bombing of Israeli people 

Do you mean by and not of?

 

It's a bit weird to obscure the basic fact that the 21,000 Palestinians killed by Israel in 80 days dwarfs the 700 Israelis killed on and since 10/07. 

 

Who do you believe is bombing whom?

Edited January 2, 2024 by Communion

[Jjang]

2 minutes ago, ZIVERT said:

Just for consistency’s sake, is desiring the people of a hostile neighboring country to go elsewhere/be forced to move (in the immediate aftermath of what is perceived to be a terrorist attack) bad or good?

 

I don’t support the idea of moving Palestinians in Gaza away from their home, that’s bad.

locking helpless people in an open air prison for 20 years away from the rest of society (which is a war crime, but that means nothing apparently) and then using their retaliation (by the same militia you’ve helped fund to power for years) as a pretext for a disgustingly obvious genocidal mass ethnic cleansing campaign is bad, yes. 

[ZIVERT]

8 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

Of course, there are people in Israel who are against the war crimes happening there but the majority of Israelis are genocidal freaks. Manyyyyy of them have blood on their hands as well because Israel made IDF service mandatory. So they're barely even "civilians".

 

The Israeli "liberals" like the ones listed above might oppose Bibi and his government but they're still 100% pro-apartheid and pro-occupation. That's the "normal" state there for all parties from left to right wing.  All of the parties are in agreement when it comes to this. Israel is a genocidal society and liberal zionists are still...zionists at the end of the day.

 

Can you quickly list all the non-Arab political parties in Israel that oppose the occupation and genocide?

 

Or I'll do it for you: Meretz. ONE party. And they quite literally couldn't even garner enough votes to get a seat in the Knesset. You're just being purposefully dense if you still believe that a liberal government wouldn't have been murdering and carpet-bombing Gazans too.

Shocker, running a political party that’s built on the idea of dismantling the state that voters live in is not popular. Meanwhile, Mansour Abbas’ Ra’am - United Arab List (a self described conservative, religious party) was part of the last coalition in the Knesset before Netanyahu and his radicals took over. Like Meretz, Ra’am also advocates for a two state solution, with East Jerusalem as the capital of the Palestinian state.

 

Can more be done to get Arab/Palestinian citizens of Israel to vote? Absolutely. But you are presenting Meretz as the only option, when a) it isn’t and b) the voter base they’re trying to cater to overwhelming rejects them and their platform. Real problems need realistic solutions, not ideology.

[Specter]

Tears. 

 

Imagine being largely funded by American taxpayer money that could instead go towards (*gestures broadly at a map of the USA*) anywhere & anything else and yet being able to lash the people bankrolling your genocide this boldly

 

Were Israel not under the protection of the West TM, a country like this would get the entire world's media machines riled up 24/7 – I've been pretty critical of certain nations in the past, but none of them really rival the sheer audacity and unmitigated murderous conviction with which the only "democracy in the Middle East" operates. 

[ZIVERT]

6 minutes ago, Jjang said:

locking helpless people in an open air prison for 20 years away from the rest of society (which is a war crime, but that means nothing apparently) and then using their retaliation (by the same militia you’ve helped fund to power for years) as a pretext for a disgustingly obvious genocidal mass ethnic cleansing campaign is bad, yes. 

The question: Is ethnic cleansing bad?
 

The answer: Ethnic cleansing is only bad when the people I want to ethnically cleanse have the capability to do it if they wanted 

[Jjang]

Just now, ZIVERT said:

The question: Is ethnic cleansing bad?
 

The answer: Ethnic cleansing is only bad when the people I want to ethnically cleanse have the capability to do it if they wanted 

What I said is very clear. I’m sorry you couldn’t twist the narrative. 

 

You were trying to lure me into a predictable trap and that didn’t work for you and now you’re mad  

[Jjang]

21 minutes ago, ZIVERT said:

Shocker, running a political party that’s built on the idea of dismantling the state that voters live in is not popular. Meanwhile, Mansour Abbas’ Ra’am - United Arab List (a self described conservative, religious party) was part of the last coalition in the Knesset before Netanyahu and his radicals took over. Like Meretz, Ra’am also advocates for a two state solution, with East Jerusalem as the capital of the Palestinian state.

 

Can more be done to get Arab/Palestinian citizens of Israel to vote? Absolutely. But you are presenting Meretz as the only option, when a) it isn’t and b) the voter base they’re trying to cater to overwhelming rejects them and their platform. Real problems need realistic solutions, not ideology.

Sami Abu Shehadeh is a prominent figure amongst Palestinian Israeli youth. His party (Balad - which doesn’t believe in a Jewish state) was dissolved after he was basically sold out by the other coalition parties. 

 

in 2022 Balad received 140k votes. And that’s with an extremely low Arab vote rate (cause they don’t have trust in the system or that their votes can inflict real change) and that was like the 4th election in 2 years. 

Edited January 2, 2024 by Jjang

[ZIVERT]

Just now, Jjang said:

What I said is very clear. I’m sorry you couldn’t twist the narrative. 

 

You were trying to lure me into a predictable trap and that didn’t work for you and now you’re mad  

I would define being mad as camping out on a pop forum to post conspiracy theories about evil Israeli Jews for 88 days. Thank God for the Iron Dome, or else you might not be able to post so regularly about the genocidal Israeli Jews from the comfort of Haifa.

 

Anyways, I already knew what your answer would be before you posted it. There’s nothing to be mad over