Delirious Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Cloröx said: This is screaming "Trust me bro" because he said Biden has seen it earlier but the later article stated the opposite 'white house spokesperson' - who? Who are they? Why are they scared to identify themselves? Who probably doesn't even have access to the images anyways LOL
besaid Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 14 minutes ago, Scars said: Not sure if the discourse around this post was already brought up here, but all of this shines a light on the reality that many palestinians living in the West face: doxxing, harassment, workplace intimidation and, in some cases, safety risks. This is an important reminder to so many that often base their takes on the false premise that there's an ongoing 'anti-israel' propaganda being pushed in the West that 'wants all israelis dead', which couldn't be futher from the truth. In the real world, the palestinian diaspora can barely articulate their views without being heavily policed and/or punished, let alone being given a platform to wish harm on others. Let's not disingenuously overestimate the reach and influence of limited social media circles to create a certain narrative out of bad faith. These student groups, including a pro-palestine Harvard student group, posted a statement praising the palestinian "resistance" and condemned Israel instead of Hamas. If you care about bad faith you would have picked up on how BAD FAITH these statements are. Tbh, that's putting it lightly and much of it could be easily confused with praise for the attack against "occupation" and "colonizers". You sign your name onto public statements like that, you better expect accountability. As for their views being "barely articulated"...did you read their statement? "Israel is the sole party to blame" and made zero mention of the terrorists responsible for hundreds of deaths, hostages and injuries at all. It's as bad faith, cold and callous as possible. Harvard is a law school: don't sign documents you don't stand by. 5 1 4
Communion Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Delirious said: Fake news. The Washington Post article got deleted. I'm sorry but Oz Katerji is not reliable. He is a propagandist for the Atlantic Council + US state department and has literally flown from war scene to war scene from Syria to Ukraine to now Palestine to promote US state views. He refers to himself as a journalist, but the only work he has ever done is with government agencies. Whether you think the US State Department or intelligence agencies like Bellingcat are good or not, someone who works for these agencies is not a quote-unquote journalist. The Israeli army has already said that the only verification that they will confirm is that an Israeli soldier claims to have seen these things, and that they themselves do not find an investigation warranted to believe him. This story essentially ends at never being verified beyond anyone besides the IDF because the ICC will never be able to investigate whether these war crimes occurred because Israel refuses participation in the court to avoid being held accountable for its own war crimes against Palestine. Edited October 12, 2023 by Communion 5 1
Cloröx Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Delirious said: 'white house spokesperson' - who? Who are they? Why are they scared to identify themselves? Who probably doesn't even have access to the images anyways LOL Do you even read the article/thread? First that person claimed Biden has seen it but later on the Whitehorse backtracking. Why are they doing that if they "saw" solid evidence
Delirious Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Cloröx said: Do you even read the article/thread? First that person claimed Biden has seen it but later on the Whitehorse backtracking. Why are they doing that if they "saw" solid evidence That 'spokesperson'. Who? Who are they? If there's no identity attached to a source, sorry but I'm not going to believe them. I'd rather trust Biden who said in his own words that he SAW PICTURES of beheaded children. And whatever the Israel pm said. Edited October 12, 2023 by Delirious
Cloröx Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Delirious said: That 'spokesperson'. Who? Who are they? If there's no identity attached to a source, sorry but I'm not going to believe them. I'd rather trust Biden who said in his own words that he SAW PICTURES of beheaded children. And whatever the Israel pm said. Do you even read the article/thread? First that person claimed Biden has seen it but later on the Whitehorse backtracking. Why are they doing that if they "saw" solid evidence
BlueTimberwolf Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 3 hours ago, Delirious said: That 'spokesperson'. Who? Who are they? If there's no identity attached to a source, sorry but I'm not going to believe them. I'd rather trust Biden who said in his own words that he SAW PICTURES of beheaded children. And whatever the Israel pm said. A White House spokesperson is not an anonymous source. The names every person on the White Communication team is freely available online. It doesn't matter who the person is, they are speaking for the White House. 1
Harrier Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 Just now, Communion said: Sis, 1) I edited my post 12 minutes before your post was made and 2) the "original text" you're quoting is the exact same text as exists in my post currently. My "edit" was further text added in the form of an entire new paragraph, but I didn't misread the graphs. You literally show my posts addressed Israel's right-wing. You for some reason see a comparison between Hamas supporters and the Israeli hard-right and want to change focus to supporters vs the Israeli moderate right (despite that they are just as supportive of expulsion as a tactic!). This is silly because my point was that polls defend the article's claims re: expulsion not being popular amongst Palestinians. You're not acknowledging that the claim that "from the land to the sea" is inherently tied to the concept of expulsion is not backed up by data. The majority of Palestinians do not think expulsion is the best end goal! Most have even given up on the hope for a one state Palestine! In fact, in 2017, Gazans were more supportive of the two-state solution than those in the West Bank: It has to be acknowledged how ongoing unapologetic violence from the Israeli regime correlates to major drops in how many Palestinians think a two-state solution would 1) ever occur and 2) work as a way to freedom. *YOU* think "from the land to the sea" is a secret-encoded call for genocide, yet the separation of both groups of Palestinians from one another remains the most pressing issue for the population at large: It's also hard not to see how things like indiscriminate violence by the Israeli regime to non-violent protests in Gaza like the Great March of Return don't play a role in how such has radically changed to the below now in 2023: Okay, but this is probably due to me quoting your post from the notification, doing something else and then coming back to finish my response after you'd edited What I said makes complete sense based on what I was responding to, I don't know what else to say girl I am being straightforward with you I don't agree with what you've said here, either. But rather than explaining why I'll end our bickering as I don't think its helpful in this news thread.
Harrier Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 19 minutes ago, Delirious said: 'white house spokesperson' - who? Who are they? Why are they scared to identify themselves? Who probably doesn't even have access to the images anyways LOL This is just how the Whitehouse works it has spokespeople, are you new to this girl Care to explain why you are so keen on the beheading story being real anyway, it'd be better if it wasn't, no?
ClashAndBurn Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 35 minutes ago, Delirious said: 'white house spokesperson' - who? Who are they? Why are they scared to identify themselves? Who probably doesn't even have access to the images anyways LOL Joe Biden is a notorious and shameless liar whose diarrhea of the mouth is even worse than Trump's. He's also a radical Zionist terrorist, so him lying about this isn't remotely farfetched, lmfao. 1
ebaby Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 my israeli professor pulled me aside after class asking if i wore my palestine shirt specifically to protest or intimidate her or another israeli classmate of mine... saying i'm celebrating violence... like it's a shirt with an olive tree on it... that just says "palestine" in english and in arabic says "bahebek ya falastin" (which means: i love you, palestine) when a shirt like that is making you clutch your pearls so hard sounds like a you problem people show their true colors when things get real. every single time. tired. 4 2
Delirious Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 12 minutes ago, Harrier said: This is just how the Whitehouse works it has spokespeople, are you new to this girl Care to explain why you are so keen on the beheading story being real anyway, it'd be better if it wasn't, no? The beheading just goes to show how brutal & evil the Hamas are. But at the end of the day Children died and that's all that matters. I mean just seeing people in here denying rape didn't happen is DISGUSTING and I wil not stand for it
Delirious Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) Sick to my stomach WARNING NSFW!!!! Spoiler Edited October 12, 2023 by Delirious 1
Cloröx Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 11 minutes ago, Delirious said: The beheading just goes to show how brutal & evil the Hamas are. But at the end of the day Children died and that's all that matters. I mean just seeing people in here denying rape didn't happen is DISGUSTING and I wil not stand for it The beheading story is a lie, there's no evidence suggests it happened otherwise it will be everywhere. I don't know why you rooting so hard for it to be true, maybe winning an argument is more important to you than the innocent lives
Delirious Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Cloröx said: The beheading story is a lie, there's no evidence suggests it happened otherwise it will be everywhere. I don't know why you rooting so hard for it to be true, maybe winning an argument is more important to you than the innocent lives This you? 1
besaid Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 Whether children were massacred and/or taken hostage by Hamas is not in question. At this point, it's just denial of an event of mass violence and leaning into conspiracism. 3
HungryByTheBuffet Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 "I can excuse murdering babies but I draw the line at beheading them" 3
HungryByTheBuffet Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 28 minutes ago, Delirious said: Sick to my stomach It's extremely sickening and I think that's why maybe a spoiler tag along with a disclaimer warning should be a must when posting any of these videos? ...
Delirious Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 11 minutes ago, HungryByTheBuffet said: It's extremely sickening and I think that's why maybe a spoiler tag along with a disclaimer warning should be a must when posting any of these videos? ... Thank you I edited my post Btw the twitter videos are actually censored themselves 1
family.guy123 Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/10/12/doxxing-truck-students-israel-statement/
HungryByTheBuffet Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 3 hours ago, Nicholai said: Reminder that not all jews are zionists Stanning for Haredim, this thread just doesn't get any better does it?
Scars Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, besaid said: These student groups, including a pro-palestine Harvard student group, posted a statement praising the palestinian "resistance" and condemned Israel instead of Hamas. If you care about bad faith you would have picked up on how BAD FAITH these statements are. Tbh, that's putting it lightly and much of it could be easily confused with praise for the attack against "occupation" and "colonizers". You sign your name onto public statements like that, you better expect accountability. As for their views being "barely articulated"...did you read their statement? "Israel is the sole party to blame" and made zero mention of the terrorists responsible for hundreds of deaths, hostages and injuries at all. It's as bad faith, cold and callous as possible. Harvard is a law school: don't sign documents you don't stand by. Well, I said palestinians living in the West have a hard time speaking about the palestinian struggle without being heavily policed and/or punished for doing so, nothing on your post actually negates that. The resistance of palestinian people against the Israel regime is definitely something to be praised, but I see that you're trying to frame the use of "palestinian resistance" as a possible nod to the actions of HAMAS in the context of the statement, so here we go: can you point out in which exact part of the text the "palestinian resistance" is "praised" or even addressed at all? Quote We, the undersigned student organizations, hold the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all the unfolding violence. Today's events did not occur in a vaccum. For the last two decades, millions of Palestinians in Gaza have been forced to live in an opeb-air prison. Israeli officials promise to "open the gates of hell," and the massacres in Gaza have already commenced. Palestinians in Gaza have no shelters for refuge and nowhere to escape. In the coming days, Palestinians will be forced to bear the full brunt of Israel's violence. The apartheid regime is the only one to blame. Israeli violence has structured every aspect of Palestinian existence for 75 years. From systematized land seizures to routine airstrikes, arbitrary detentios to military checkpoints, and enforced family separations to targeted killings, Palestinians have been forced to live in a state of death, both slow and sudden. Today, the Palestinian ordeal enters into uncharted territory. The coming days will require a firm stand against colonial retaliation. We call on the Harvard community to take action to stop the ongoing annihilation of Palestinians. (x) The full statement is a short text that goes straight to the point: HAMAS is a direct result of the Israel apartheid regime. Of course, the hundreds of lives that were sadly lost during the attacks deserve to be mourned, but there's no endorsement to violence on the entire statement. Sure, you can feel personally entitled to criticise it, but there's a vast difference between criticism and pulling tactics to *institutionally* silence students from a disenfranchised group for a statement that, again, did not endorse violence. You've used the word 'accountability', but it looks like people expect all palestinians to constantly be hold accountable for the actions of HAMAS, having to constantly prove their morality by distancing themselves from HAMAS in order to not be framed as a supporter of it, which very often seem to be what people first expect from them e.g. your "they didn't mention HAMAS, that could be easily confused with praise!" take. Those standards of accountability are certainly not given to the overwhelmingly pro-Israel mainstream stances that fails to explicitly condemn the wrongdoings of the regime that are inherently to it's premise as a state. Anyway, that's a great time to bring this viral video back: Edited October 12, 2023 by Scars 2 1
Cloröx Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 32 minutes ago, Delirious said: This you? So you admit?
Delirious Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Cloröx said: So you admit? So you admit that you believe that all the claims from rape victims are false? And you believe that they're lying for propaganda? Oh wait I forgot you need a video/photos so you know it's real. Well fortunately for you, there is infact videos of it ironically filmed by Hamas themselves. WARNING NSFW!! Edited October 12, 2023 by Delirious
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