Communion Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Harrier said: Also, you are misreading your own graphs - they show that the highest support for expulsion is among Hamas supporters at 27%, with Israeli moderate right coming in second at 25%. ..huh? You're literally repeating what I've said. I've misread nothing: Quote Your average Hamas supporter was actually just as likely to agree with the ideas of expulsion as self-avowed "moderate" Israeli conservatives desired the expulsion of all Palestinians. That despite it being suggested any Palestinian who would support Hamas is unequivocally evil, the average Israeli moderate conservative had views no less extreme. Would you refer to a Palestinian who said in 2017 they supported Hamas then as moderates? No? Why? Because Israelis are magically somehow inherently more civilized and self-restraint or something? That's largely the reasoning for many of those who do push said argument. I refuse to believe you're refusing to acknowledge that hard right Israelis appear the most extremist in views from the poll shown above. 50% them want to either ethnically cleanse Palestinians or enjoy too much having them as a perpetual underclass. You say no "there's no significant difference between the two" when faced with polling but yet the narrative is that Israel is a land of people just trying to coexist and Palestinians a people who hold the natural inclination for an Islamist eradication of Jewish people. Edited October 12, 2023 by Communion 2
Into The Void Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 What happened to the Noah Schnapp thread?
BlueTimberwolf Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 3 hours ago, naval23 said: He is so good with words because this Until he starts drawing red lines as to what Israel should and shouldn't do, this doesn't mean much. 1 4
Cloröx Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 12 minutes ago, airplane said: Umm so the “raping women” narrative is also fake with no proof? How is Israel getting away with this wild ass propaganda is beyond me… but when you have entities like Twitter complying, anything is possible. People have found the person who started this fake new which turned out to be a Zionist extremist, and Livnat fan too https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/11/beheaded-israeli-babies-settler-wipe-out-palestinian/
Harrier Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 18 minutes ago, Communion said: ..huh? You're literally repeating what I've said. I've misread nothing: That despite it being suggested any Palestinian who would support Hamas is unequivocally evil, the average Israeli moderate conservative had views no less extreme. Would you refer to a Palestinian who said in 2017 they supported Hamas then as moderates? No? Why? Because Israelis are magically somehow inherently more civilized and self-restraint or something? That's largely the reasoning for many of those who do push said argument. I refuse to believe you're refusing to acknowledge that hard right Israelis appear the most extremist in views from the poll shown above. 50% them want to either ethnically cleanse Palestinians or enjoy too much having them as a perpetual underclass. You say no "there's no significant difference between the two" when faced with polling but yet the narrative is that Israel is a land of people just trying to coexist and Palestinians a people who hold the natural inclination for an Islamist eradication of Jewish people. You caught it in your edit but your original post said this Quote Based on the polling from 2017, where Israeli views were considerably more 'timid' and progressive than the are now, the average right-wing identifying Israeli wasn't just just-as-likely to support expelling all Palestinians than your average Hamas supporter would likely support expelling all Israels, but measurably more likelier to feel so. Which, like, all good girl I misread things or edit for clarity all the time, but just making clear this is what I was responding to. You can see what I had read in my reply to you. Also, my comment about 'no meaningful difference between the two groups' is in reference to the 'all' numbers which look the same between Israelis and Palestinians. I have no qualms with your characterisation of the Israeli right.
airplane Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Cloröx said: But but Hamas..... As expected…. the ethnic cleansing continues Edited October 12, 2023 by airplane
pinkbowvintage Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 I 100% support a free Palestine, but I'm anti-war and horrified at the civilians suffering so immensely and dying grisly deaths, including babies and children. God, I hate war.
Delirious Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 Oh oh, Biden confirmed that they have been beheading babies I wanna see who will continue saying 'fake' news and justifying this 2 2
Delirious Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 13 minutes ago, Cloröx said: People have found the person who started this fake new which turned out to be a Zionist extremist, and Livnat fan too https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/11/beheaded-israeli-babies-settler-wipe-out-palestinian/ Yea let's not spread lies here. At first everyone thought that the babies being beheaded story was a lie. Biden literally just confirmed that it was real 1 2
Kitty Kat Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 I'm hearing that Yossi Landau, the head of operations for one of Israel's volunteer civilian emergency response organisations is also claiming that he personally saw adults and children that were beheaded. They were the person to say this to CBS News. 2
Delirious Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 35 minutes ago, airplane said: Umm so the “raping women” narrative is also fake with no proof? How is Israel getting away with this wild ass propaganda is beyond me… but when you have entities like Twitter complying, anything is possible. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/blog/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-rcna119636
Harrier Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 9 minutes ago, Delirious said: Oh oh, Biden confirmed that they have been beheading babies I wanna see who will continue saying 'fake' news and justifying this The whitehouse clarified Biden's statements confirming it has not seen/confirmed these images. Old man Joe running his mouth as usual https://www.wionews.com/world/biden-says-he-saw-evidence-of-hamas-beheading-israeli-children-645631 1 1
JustLikeHoney Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Cloröx said: People have found the person who started this fake new which turned out to be a Zionist extremist, and Livnat fan too https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/11/beheaded-israeli-babies-settler-wipe-out-palestinian/ So you think Hamas is an adult daycare. And victims that witnessed death and rape are liars. Cool. 4
Scars Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) Not sure if the discourse around this post was already brought up here, but all of this shines a light on the reality that many palestinians living in the West face: doxxing, harassment, workplace intimidation and, in some cases, safety risks. This is an important reminder to so many that often base their takes on the false premise that there's an ongoing 'anti-israel' propaganda being pushed in the West that 'wants all israelis dead', which couldn't be futher from the truth. In the real world, the palestinian diaspora can barely articulate their views without being heavily policed and/or punished, let alone being given a platform to wish harm on others. Let's not disingenuously overestimate the reach and influence of limited social media circles to create a certain narrative out of bad faith. Edited October 12, 2023 by Scars 2 4
Delirious Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Harrier said: The whitehouse clarified Biden's statements confirming it has not seen/confirmed these images. Old man Joe running his mouth as usual https://www.wionews.com/world/biden-says-he-saw-evidence-of-hamas-beheading-israeli-children-645631 Fake news. The Washington Post article got deleted.
JustLikeHoney Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 44 minutes ago, airplane said: Umm so the “raping women” narrative is also fake with no proof? How is Israel getting away with this wild ass propaganda is beyond me… but when you have entities like Twitter complying, anything is possible. 3
Delirious Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 'White House spokesperson' LOL And who is that exactly? Why is there not a name LOL 3
BlueTimberwolf Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 3 hours ago, Delirious said: Fake news. The Washington Post article got deleted. He's not talking about the beheadings in this tweet. He's talking about his own personal experiences and saying we should "trust sources" with no evidence even if the have a history of lying.
Communion Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Harrier said: You caught it in your edit but your original post said this Sis, 1) I edited my post 12 minutes before your post was made and 2) the "original text" you're quoting is the exact same text as exists in my post currently. My "edit" was further text added in the form of an entire new paragraph, but I didn't misread the graphs. You literally show my posts addressed Israel's right-wing. You for some reason see a comparison between Hamas supporters and the Israeli hard-right and want to change focus to supporters vs the Israeli moderate right (despite that they are just as supportive of expulsion as a tactic!). This is silly because my point was that polls defend the article's claims re: expulsion not being popular amongst Palestinians. You're not acknowledging that the claim that "from the river to the sea" is inherently tied to the concept of expulsion is not backed up by data. The majority of Palestinians do not think expulsion is the best end goal! Most have even given up on the hope for a one state Palestine! In fact, in 2017, Gazans were more supportive of the two-state solution than those in the West Bank: It has to be acknowledged how ongoing unapologetic violence from the Israeli regime correlates to major drops in how many Palestinians think a two-state solution would 1) ever occur and 2) work as a way to freedom. *YOU* think "from the river to the sea" is a secret-encoded call for genocide, yet the separation of both groups of Palestinians from one another remains the most pressing issue for the population at large: It's also hard not to see how things like indiscriminate violence by the Israeli regime to non-violent protests in Gaza like the Great March of Return don't play a role in how such has radically changed to the below now in 2023: Edited October 12, 2023 by Communion 1
Cloröx Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 15 minutes ago, Delirious said: Fake news. The Washington Post article got deleted. This is screaming "Trust me bro" because he said Biden has seen it earlier but the later article stated the opposite
Delirious Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, BlueTimberwolf said: He's not talking about the beheadings in this tweet. He's talking about his own personal experiences and saying we should "trust sources" with no evidence even if the have a history of lying. I think I'd rather trust words of the Israel prime minister and president Joe Biden over some 'white house spokesperson' lmfaooo
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