news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[SeeingStars1515]

Man the antisemitism here is strong lol

This is exactly why people say antiZionism is antiSemitism. Downplaying the very real attacks against the Jewish diaspora around the globe is not the cool look you think it is...

 

You can be pro Palestinian sovereignty and also acknowledge centuries of attacks and scapegoating against the Jewish communities from both the West and present-day Middle East. 

[Communion]

  On 12/15/2023 at 4:29 PM, Dula Peep said:

...Which is why they murdered, raped, beheaded, burned alive, blew up with grenades, hundreds of random victims in a huge mile radius

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I mean, you're literally proving their point. 

 

Hamas committed a violent war crime against Israel. By virtue of this, these were 1) not random acts of terrorism and 2) completely removed from Israel also being a Jewish theocracy. 

 

You can disagree with Hamas or any of the 10+ other Palestinian liberation groups using armed resistance and violence, but you're literally the acknowledging that this is a war between two nations over geopolitical issues, not rogue religion-fueled terrorism. 

 

Of course the civilian deaths by Hamas on 10/07 was a war crime. It's just also existing in the context of the dozens of war crimes Israel has committed both before and after. 

 

If rape and murder upset you, wait until you find out what the Israeli state does to Palestinians. 

[pisuke]

  On 12/15/2023 at 4:38 PM, SeeingStars1515 said:

Man the antisemitism here is strong lol

This is exactly why people say antiZionism is antiSemitism. Downplaying the very real attacks against the Jewish diaspora around the globe is not the cool look you think it is...

 

You can be pro Palestinian sovereignty and also acknowledge centuries of attacks and scapegoating against the Jewish communities from both the West and present-day Middle East. 

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It's a ******* lie, wake the **** up. 

[SeeingStars1515]

  On 12/15/2023 at 4:40 PM, pisuke said:

It's a ******* lie, wake the **** up. 

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It's a lie? So everything that is reported by the news is a lie except one narrative? lol ok.

[Bhabylon]

[Communion]

  On 12/15/2023 at 4:43 PM, SeeingStars1515 said:

It's a lie? So everything that is reported by the news is a lie except one narrative? lol ok.

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Do you think there's a societal benefit to right-wing media using isolated incidents of hate crimes and attacks to suggest there's some conspiracy of a widespread international operation by Hamas despite themselves saying that they do not have any evidence of such?

 

Are Jewish people in the West made safer through inaccurate reporting meant to only further incense a war thousands of miles away?

[Cesar]

this obvious lie  you gotta be a dumb b*tch to believe this ****  

[ClashAndBurn]

  On 12/15/2023 at 4:43 PM, SeeingStars1515 said:

It's a lie? So everything that is reported by the news is a lie except one narrative? lol ok.

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Western media outlets spread fake news in service of the interests of the American Empire and Israel all the time, yes.

[Solaria]

  On 12/15/2023 at 4:43 PM, SeeingStars1515 said:

It's a lie? So everything that is reported by the news is a lie except one narrative? lol ok.

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It is not weird to question the authenticity of a news report / the source considering the West has a very different relationship with Israel than they do with Palestine. Especially Germany.

[SeeingStars1515]

  On 12/15/2023 at 4:47 PM, ClashAndBurn said:

Western media outlets spread fake news in service of the interests of the American Empire and Israel all the time, yes.

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They do not spread "fake news" You sound just like a QAnon supporter.

[Jjang]

  On 12/15/2023 at 4:29 PM, Dula Peep said:

...Which is why they murdered, raped, beheaded, burned alive, blew up with grenades, hundreds of random victims in a huge mile radius, many of which were not Jewish or Israeli (because how would they possibly know who is who?) ....  

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between 40-50% of those killed in the attack were soldiers. Many of the Kibbutz civilians (by civilians I mean illegal settlers occupying other people's land under the protection of apartheid laws) were killed directly and indiscriminately by Israeli forces too because they were bombing everything trying to get to the attackers. 

 

But what interests me is why Hamas's 1:2 or 1:3 civilians to soldiers killed ratio is much more barbaric than Israel's 1:20 ratio?

 

[pisuke]

  On 12/15/2023 at 4:43 PM, SeeingStars1515 said:

It's a lie? So everything that is reported by the news is a lie except one narrative? lol ok.

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Our corrupted western media? Of course! You should know that by now. 

[truthteller]

i see this war has done nothing but damage to people's brains 

[SeeingStars1515]

  On 12/15/2023 at 4:47 PM, Communion said:

Do you think there's a societal benefit to right-wing media using isolated incidents of hate crimes and attacks to suggest there's some conspiracy of a widespread international operation by Hamas despite themselves saying that they do not have any evidence of such?

 

Are Jewish people in the West made safer through inaccurate reporting meant to only further incense a war thousands of miles away?

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Are Jewish people safer with everyone downplaying true acts of anti-Semitism? No.

I don't think this report is suggesting a societal widespread attack by Hamas on multiple continents. Is it possible a group of Hamas inspired or affiliated supporters would conceive a terrorist attack? Yes.

We've already seen instances of vandalism widespread against synagogues, Jewish-owned stores and homes, and yes, people at Free Palestinian protests yelling "Gas the Jews!"

 

None of this takes away my support of Palestine.

 

But it does show how quick people have fallen for anti semitic tropes.

[Delirious]

Chile....the replies 

 

ATRL never change

[Both Sides Now]

  On 12/15/2023 at 4:43 PM, SeeingStars1515 said:

It's a lie? So everything that is reported by the news is a lie except one narrative? lol ok.

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If you use your brain you can see how clearly this is a false flag. Hamas have never operated outside of Gaza. Their political goals are clearly focused on Israel. Why would they all of a sudden begin acts of terrorism in Europe? Especially in the midst of a war… As, another user has pointed out, their charter states that they only have beef with Israel. This is the same charter that Israel uses time and time again to justify its genocide so we can’t pick and choose when to believe it. 
 

If you try to reason this out for even a moment you would understand it makes absolutely no sense. Support for Israel is collapsing across Europe. Suddenly, news is that HAMAS ARE OPERATING IN BERLIN AND COPENHAGEN. …Convenient. 

[Delirious]

  On 12/15/2023 at 4:48 PM, SeeingStars1515 said:

They do not spread "fake news" You sound just like a QAnon supporter.

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There's no use arguing with them. I gave them a link documenting all the stuff Hamas did on Oct 7 (a lot of videos were recorded by Hama's GoPros btw 💀) and they said they weren't gonna click on it cause it's gonna be propaganda anyways.

 

NSFW link: https://www.hamas-massacre.net/

Edited December 15, 2023 by Delirious

[ClashAndBurn]

  On 12/15/2023 at 4:48 PM, SeeingStars1515 said:

They do not spread "fake news" You sound just like a QAnon supporter.

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They absolutely do. The fell all over themselves to spread fake news stories that turned out to be false during the Russiagate era especially.

[Communion]

  On 12/15/2023 at 4:50 PM, SeeingStars1515 said:

I don't think this report is suggesting a societal widespread attack by Hamas on multiple continents.

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The literal article and framing by.the OP suggests otherwise. 

 

So again, do you think it benefits Jewish people to spread the baseless idea that Hamas is actively organizing mass terror attacks across Europe - despite Hamas not being either an Islamic terror group nor there being an evidence of such?

 

Do you think Palestinians are made safer when the media has a disparity where anti-Palestinian hate crimes are individualized yet antisemitic hate crimes are used to fuel conspiracies that then are used to justify even more anti-Palestinian hate crimes?

 

What would you call it if the media pushed a baseless conspiracy like that anti-Palestinian and anti-Arab hate crimes were actually acts of terror being organized by a shady unknown global Jewish organization on behalf of Israel?

Edited December 15, 2023 by Communion

[Dula Peep]

  On 12/15/2023 at 4:47 PM, ClashAndBurn said:

Western media outlets spread fake news in service of the interests of the American Empire and Israel all the time, yes.

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the far left has officially turned into the alt right/fox news  

 

not everything is some grand, elaborate conspiracy theory working against you... 

Edited December 15, 2023 by Dula Peep

[Jjang]

  On 12/15/2023 at 4:53 PM, Delirious said:

There's no use arguing with them. I gave them a link documenting all the stuff Hamas did on Oct 7 (a lot of videos were recorded by Hama's GoPros btw 💀) and they said they weren't gonna click on it cause it's gonna be propaganda anyways.

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and you have pages like Eye on Palestine with 10 million followers on Instagram that have been documenting Israel's barbaric crimes against the Palestinians every single day for more than 5 years now and you still turn a blind eye, why? 

[Delirious]

  On 12/15/2023 at 4:59 PM, Jjang said:

and you have pages like Eye on Palestine with 10 million followers on Instagram that have been documenting Israel's barbaric crimes against the Palestinians every single day for more than 5 years now and you still turn a blind eye, why? 

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I've turned a blind eye? Since when? I've been condemning IDF since the very start.

 

I want to see the ATRLers on here do the same for Hamas though, but we all know that won't happen. Especially when we have so many here calling them freedom fighters or whatever. Licking their boots disgusting 

[ClashAndBurn]

  On 12/15/2023 at 4:53 PM, Delirious said:

There's no use arguing with them. I gave them a link documenting all the stuff Hamas did on Oct 7 (a lot of videos were recorded by Hama's GoPros btw 💀) and they said they weren't gonna click on it cause it's gonna be propaganda anyways.

 

NSFW link: https://www.hamas-massacre.net/

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I wouldn't click those links because I don't want Israeli spyware on my computer. You tried.  

[Aethereal]

  On 12/15/2023 at 4:11 PM, Luckitty said:

I don't believe it, why would Hamas do a terrorist attack in Europe when they have not done it before? 
 

Hamas' goal is the liberation of Palestine, bombing Europe is pointless for them, they barely have any resources to defend themselves why would they bomb an unrelated place?

 

i think they're either lying in an attempt to make Palestine lose support or they arrested some "terrorists" and just called them Hamas even if they were not

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  On 12/15/2023 at 3:27 PM, Jjang said:

the intentional public fear mongering  

 

Now every attack in the West (fake or not lol) is suddenly gonna be associated with “Khamas” to support the Israeli propaganda that they’re a threat to Western civilization. 

 

I’m sure the ADL antisemitism tracker is gonna have a bunch of “Hamas supporters spotted in XYZ!” tracker statements just like when they classified the sentence “free Palestine” as antisemitism and used those statistics to back up the “500% rise in antisemitism in America!!!!” statement in 2021 when Sheikh Jarrah protests were happening. 

 

 

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Many of the terrorist attacks are done as a form of response or revenge towards the West military action (especially America's) in the Muslim countries. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings

For example the terrorist attack of 2004 Madrid was an opposition towards Spain's support of America's war on Iraq and Afghanistan. 

This does not in any shape or form justify those actions but there is more to those attacks than just radical Muslims wanting to murder random strangers. 

 

Therefore terrorist attacks against Jews are very probable at this point with Israeli bombing Gaza like never before. 

[Delirious]

  On 12/15/2023 at 5:03 PM, ClashAndBurn said:

I wouldn't click those links because I don't want Israeli spyware on my computer. You tried.  

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Which goes to show how dense you are.