news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[Jjang]

1 minute ago, Freakshowvato said:

Obvi attacking civilians is not ideal, BUT Israel is more guilty of killing thousands of Palestinians in literally 3 months than the TOTAL AMOUNT OF ISRAELIS KILLED BY HAMAS SINCE THE CREATION OF ISRAEL

 

louder for the people in the nosebleeds. 

[Communion]

17 minutes ago, ZIVERT said:

The rushing in here to downplay 

Almost like a user famously known on ATRL as a virulent racist is going to get called out for *inflating* news and pushing hyperbole. 

 

No one thinks people won't be pushed by either resentment or hatred to commit extreme acts. Zionists themselves have already committed multiple acts of terrorism in the US post-10/07 with multiple Palestinian-Americans dead as a result, including children. 

 

99% of the replies are mocking the framing by Western media and OP of some mass syndicate of terror despite all countries then being like "but we don't know if they're connected lol, oops!".

 

The irony being that such shows why Israel's claims to want to destroy Hamas are not real and will never be real. You cannot destroy what amounts to a sentiment. 

 

Nearly every instance of terrorism in Europe in the last 5 years has been lone wolf radicalization. No mass terrorism network. No huge system of widespread deliberately planned violence. Just random young men watching videos online of right-wing figures exploiting failed Western foreign policy and deciding to run into a mall or a courtyard with a machete. 

 

All terrorism is bad, whether it be something like a 19-year-old Iranian Frenchman wanting to swing a machete through an outside shopping mall in Paris or a 57-year-old Israeli American running into the apartment of his Palestinian tenants and killing a 7 year old child and his mother with a chef's knife. 

 

But based on OP's views, we should similarly start attributing deaths like of this child as activities of the IDF:

 

Edited December 15, 2023 by Communion

[pisuke]

Its so obvious they are desperately trying to change the public opinion towards the terrorist and genocidal state of IsraHell. 

 

I even see them pulling an inside job/false flag attack in Europe and blame it on Hamas. It is scary because they have no issue massacring 20,000 people in a month, they can be capable of that and more.

[Dula Peep]

43 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

The desperation to paint Hamas as an ISIS/Al Qaeda-esque group instead of a justified rebellion against an oppressor is so transparent. They're gonna need new propaganda lessons cause this is so...00s/10s.

wtf is going on here...  yikes

[Luckitty]

2 minutes ago, Freakshowvato said:

Why would they even want to attack Jews in Europe? They attacked/kidnapped Israelis because they want to resist the occupation and stealing of their land. So idk what this media report is but it seems fishy

 

Obvi attacking civilians is not ideal, BUT Israel is more guilty of killing thousands of Palestinians in literally 3 months than the TOTAL AMOUNT OF ISRAELIS KILLED BY HAMAS SINCE THE CREATION OF ISRAEL

 

Also Hamas have said that they don't have a problem with Jews, their problem is with Israel

 

so why would they attack some jews in Europe?

 

from their charter:

"16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity."

[Jjang]

12 hours ago, OneInAMillion1 said:

“Open air prison” with hotels, beach clubs, restaurants… make it make sense?

and a very big wall that segregates them from the remaining 90% of their homeland 

[Luckitty]

2 minutes ago, pisuke said:

Its so obvious they are desperately trying to change the public opinion towards the terrorist and genocidal state of IsraHell. 

 

I even see them pulling an inside job/false flag attack in Europe and blame it on Hamas. It is scary because they have no issue massacring 20,000 people in a month, they can be capable of that and more.

I wouldn't be surprised at all, israel has a long history with doing false attacks in other countries and blaming them on muslims/arabs

[Jjang]

12 hours ago, OneInAMillion1 said:

Gross ?

 

The way Hamas committed war crimes on October 7 that’s animal behavior and I understand all of y’all supporting that -  raping children and women? Killing babies, taking hostages ?

 

You fully and actively support the ongoing deliberate murder of 10,000+ children and the wounding of 30,000+ more children in two months. That's what we're all focused on here. Explain yourself. 

Edited December 15, 2023 by Jjang

[ClashAndBurn]

13 minutes ago, Luckitty said:

I don't believe it, why would Hamas do a terrorist attack in Europe when they have not done it before? 
 

Hamas' goal is the liberation of Palestine, bombing Europe is pointless for them, they barely have any resources to defend themselves why would they bomb an unrelated place?

 

i think they're either lying in an attempt to make Palestine lose support or they arrested some "terrorists" and just called them Hamas even if they were not

Don't you know? Every man, woman, and child that doesn't like Bibi Netanyahu's taint is "Khamas" or "Khamas" in training! The IDF said so, after all

[Dula Peep]

4 minutes ago, Luckitty said:

Also Hamas have said that they don't have a problem with Jews, their problem is with Israel

...Which is why they murdered, raped, beheaded, burned alive, blew up with grenades, hundreds of random victims in a huge mile radius, many of which were not Jewish or Israeli (because how would they possibly know who is who?) ....  

[Uncatena]

13 hours ago, OneInAMillion1 said:

“Open air prison” with hotels, beach clubs, restaurants… make it make sense?

 

Since you’re a member of this forum I assume you’re gay, you know they would shot you dead the minute you walk into Gaza right ? And you’re still supporting animals ? Because you think it’s cool to be “woke” or you’re just hating Jews?

first of all, a country not having gay rights is NOT EVER an excuse for genocide.

 

second of all, how ******* terrifying is it when propaganda works like this? loudly and proudly calling people being ethnically cleansed "animals". seriously, take a look at yourself. you've detached yourself from reality to cope with the fact that you support a terrorist, genocidal, occupying, colonizing state and then call people criticizing that "antisemitic", which devalues the meaning of that word. I simply feel sorry for you and hope you're able to get out of this brainwashed mental state.

[pisuke]

7 minutes ago, Dula Peep said:

...Which is why they murdered, raped, beheaded, burned alive, blew up with grenades, hundreds of random victims in a huge mile radius, many of which were not Jewish or Israeli (because how would they possibly know who is who?) ....  

This is what Israel is doing, not Hamas. Clear example of PROJECTION. 

[State of Grace.]

16 minutes ago, Dula Peep said:

wtf is going on here...  yikes

Facts that Zionists hate  

[SeeingStars1515]

Man the antisemitism here is strong lol

This is exactly why people say antiZionism is antiSemitism. Downplaying the very real attacks against the Jewish diaspora around the globe is not the cool look you think it is...

 

You can be pro Palestinian sovereignty and also acknowledge centuries of attacks and scapegoating against the Jewish communities from both the West and present-day Middle East. 

[Communion]

Just now, Dula Peep said:

...Which is why they murdered, raped, beheaded, burned alive, blew up with grenades, hundreds of random victims in a huge mile radius

I mean, you're literally proving their point. 

 

Hamas committed a violent war crime against Israel. By virtue of this, these were 1) not random acts of terrorism and 2) completely removed from Israel also being a Jewish theocracy. 

 

You can disagree with Hamas or any of the 10+ other Palestinian liberation groups using armed resistance and violence, but you're literally the acknowledging that this is a war between two nations over geopolitical issues, not rogue religion-fueled terrorism. 

 

Of course the civilian deaths by Hamas on 10/07 was a war crime. It's just also existing in the context of the dozens of war crimes Israel has committed both before and after. 

 

If rape and murder upset you, wait until you find out what the Israeli state does to Palestinians. 

[pisuke]

2 minutes ago, SeeingStars1515 said:

Man the antisemitism here is strong lol

This is exactly why people say antiZionism is antiSemitism. Downplaying the very real attacks against the Jewish diaspora around the globe is not the cool look you think it is...

 

You can be pro Palestinian sovereignty and also acknowledge centuries of attacks and scapegoating against the Jewish communities from both the West and present-day Middle East. 

It's a ******* lie, wake the **** up. 

[SeeingStars1515]

1 minute ago, pisuke said:

It's a ******* lie, wake the **** up. 

It's a lie? So everything that is reported by the news is a lie except one narrative? lol ok.

[Bhabylon]

[Communion]

Just now, SeeingStars1515 said:

It's a lie? So everything that is reported by the news is a lie except one narrative? lol ok.

Do you think there's a societal benefit to right-wing media using isolated incidents of hate crimes and attacks to suggest there's some conspiracy of a widespread international operation by Hamas despite themselves saying that they do not have any evidence of such?

 

Are Jewish people in the West made safer through inaccurate reporting meant to only further incense a war thousands of miles away?

[Cesar]

this obvious lie  you gotta be a dumb b*tch to believe this ****  

[ClashAndBurn]

3 minutes ago, SeeingStars1515 said:

It's a lie? So everything that is reported by the news is a lie except one narrative? lol ok.

Western media outlets spread fake news in service of the interests of the American Empire and Israel all the time, yes.

[Solaria]

1 minute ago, SeeingStars1515 said:

It's a lie? So everything that is reported by the news is a lie except one narrative? lol ok.

It is not weird to question the authenticity of a news report / the source considering the West has a very different relationship with Israel than they do with Palestine. Especially Germany.

[SeeingStars1515]

Just now, ClashAndBurn said:

Western media outlets spread fake news in service of the interests of the American Empire and Israel all the time, yes.

They do not spread "fake news" You sound just like a QAnon supporter.

[Jjang]

4 minutes ago, Dula Peep said:

...Which is why they murdered, raped, beheaded, burned alive, blew up with grenades, hundreds of random victims in a huge mile radius, many of which were not Jewish or Israeli (because how would they possibly know who is who?) ....  

between 40-50% of those killed in the attack were soldiers. Many of the Kibbutz civilians (by civilians I mean illegal settlers occupying other people's land under the protection of apartheid laws) were killed directly and indiscriminately by Israeli forces too because they were bombing everything trying to get to the attackers. 

 

But what interests me is why Hamas's 1:2 or 1:3 civilians to soldiers killed ratio is much more barbaric than Israel's 1:20 ratio?

 

[pisuke]

5 minutes ago, SeeingStars1515 said:

It's a lie? So everything that is reported by the news is a lie except one narrative? lol ok.

Our corrupted western media? Of course! You should know that by now.