news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[Kassi]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

David Ben-Gurion, December 1947, arguing that the UN partition plan would not satisfy the needs of a Jewish state:

 

 

And yet we'll never know the true outcome because the Arab Palestinians did NOT accept the UN resolution.

 

What we do know is that five (5) Arab Muslim ethnostates descended on a nascent Jewish, internationally sanctioned, state to finish the job Hitler started (per the Grand Mufti of Palestine, Amin al-Husseini).

 

Which leads us to the unfortunate disaster we find ourselves in today. 

[ClashAndBurn]

15 minutes ago, Kassi said:

And yet we'll never know the true outcome because the Arab Palestinians did NOT accept the UN resolution.

 

What we do know is that five (5) Arab Muslim ethnostates descended on a nascent Jewish, internationally sanctioned, state to finish the job Hitler started (per the Grand Mufti of Palestine, Amin al-Husseini).

 

Which leads us to the unfortunate disaster we find ourselves in today. 

Why would Arabs accept a resolution from white Europeans stripping land from them, ethnically cleansing them from the region, and setting it aside for colonizers?

 

The international community is a joke with zero legitimacy. The international community recognized and supported apartheid in South Africa and Rhodesia as well, so to hide behind the UN (which exists as a tool to legitimize US imperialism above all else) is ludicrous on your part.

[GhostBox]

hamas really care about their citizens 💀

[ClashAndBurn]

15 hours ago, A.R.L said:

The only solutions for long term peace are:

1- recognize the state of Israel

2- give the Jews Jerusalem since they were there first, but with guaranteed rights for the freedoms of religion for Christians and Muslims.

3- Get rid of the right-wing party in Israel

4- Get rid of corruption among Palestinian leaders, that would be quite difficult, since it’s s common in that entire region, not only in Palestine. Before some of you jump to tell me about the corruption of Israeli leaders, yes, that's true and they must be accountable for it, but let's be honest, Israel is more developed and people have access to better rights, including Muslim migrants.

Pretty much all of this list are things Israel wants, so they give up nothing and gain everything. Wow, what an amazing deal!  

 

Likud is never going away, and is greatly empowered if anything. Clownery to even suggest this  

[RihRihGirrrl]

Zio-nazism....just came across this term and I'll be using it 

[Kassi]

1 hour ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Why would Arabs accept a resolution from white Europeans stripping land from them, ethnically cleansing them from the region, and setting it aside for colonizers?

Quickly, which nation served as the metropole for these colonizers?

[ClashAndBurn]

18 minutes ago, Kassi said:

Quickly, which nation served as the metropole for these colonizers?

It’s actually amazing to watch a stan of a proud black woman whose built her imagery on black power activism for several eras go out of their way to promote settler-colonialism and apartheid as necessities.  

 

Britain claimed the British Mandate of Palestine as war spoils following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, but that doesn’t make the land rightfully theirs to partition how they and other white Europeans see fit.

[Kassi]

1 hour ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Britain claimed the British Mandate of Palestine as war spoils following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, but that doesn’t make the land rightfully theirs to partition how they and other white Europeans see fit.

Agreed. And, consequently, the British didn't partition a damn thing. They quite literally shrugged their shoulders and dipped. Even abstained from the UN vote.

 

Settler colonialism makes sense in the United States and Australia, but the analogy thins when applied to Jews who arrived in the land that would become Israel without any citizenship whatsoever, neither from Europe nor the Islamic world.

 

Why would you want to have prolonged ethnic violence against immigrants, such as those perpetrated in the Arab Revolts of the 1920s and 30s?

[rihannafan]

It is so obvious that a certain someone here read the Wikipedia page about this conflict on October 7

[FOCK]

When your own lies work against you, so you’re forced to backtrack.

 

 

 

[ClashAndBurn]

55 minutes ago, Kassi said:

Why would you want to have prolonged ethnic violence against immigrants, such as those perpetrated in the Arab Revolts of the 1920s and 30s?

Why would you want to have prolonged occupation and ethnic violence against indigenous populations who lived in the region for centuries and were displaced in order to fulfill the farfetched conditions of an Evangelical prophecy?

 

Palestinians are denied right of return and are literally interned in an open-air prison, and you and the rest of the American liberals seem to be more than okay with their subjugation and slaughter. The siege of Gaza has greatly surpassed the proportionality of October 7th in terms of death and destruction, and 98% of Israeli Jews want more Gazans to be slain. Nearly 60% of them think Netanyahu isn't being brutal enough. And that is the side that America is eagerly doing all it can to empower to kill and destroy even more.

[Aethereal]

IDF claims that 5,000 of 15,000 dead Palestinians are Hamas casualties. I mean that is better than for them to be civilians but I don't believe it in the slightest. They are lying through their teeth. 

[ClashAndBurn]

With Genocide Joe’s approval. 
 

Remember that.

[Kassi]

52 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Why would you want to have prolonged occupation and ethnic violence against indigenous populations who lived in the region for centuries and were displaced in order to fulfill the farfetched conditions of an Evangelical prophecy?

 

Palestinians are denied right of return and are literally interned in an open-air prison, and you and the rest of the American liberals seem to be more than okay with their subjugation and slaughter.

I don't want prolonged occupation and violence.

 

That's why Hamas should surrender unconditionally to pave way for a wholly reconstituted government that prioritizes diplomatic recognition of and peaceful coexistence with Israel.

 

52 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

The siege of Gaza has greatly surpassed the proportionality of October 7th in terms of death and destruction, and 98% of Israeli Jews want more Gazans to be slain. Nearly 60% of them think Netanyahu isn't being brutal enough. And that is the side that America is eagerly doing all it can to empower to kill and destroy even more.

The extent of civilian casualties in the conflict with Hamas will largely depend on how swiftly Hamas engages in peace negotiations or decides to cease hostilities.

 

Following this phase, attention will shift to neutralizing the influence of the current Palestinian leadership, facilitating the reconstruction of Gaza, and weaving Palestinians more integrally into the regional political tapestry.

 

This approach mirrors the steps taken in the post-World War II reformation of Germany and Japan, where military de-escalation was followed by political reform and economic rebuilding to establish long-term stability.

[ClashAndBurn]

3 minutes ago, Kassi said:

I don't want prolonged occupation and violence.

 

That's why Hamas should surrender unconditionally to pave way for a wholly reconstituted government that prioritizes diplomatic recognition of and peaceful coexistence with Israel.

 

The extent of civilian casualties in the conflict with Hamas will largely depend on how swiftly Hamas engages in peace negotiations or decides to cease hostilities.

 

Following this phase, attention will shift to neutralizing the influence of the current Palestinian leadership, facilitating the reconstruction of Gaza, and weaving Palestinians more integrally into the regional political tapestry.

 

This approach mirrors the steps taken in the post-World War II reformation of Germany and Japan, where military de-escalation was followed by political reform and economic rebuilding to establish long-term stability.

I guess you haven’t been paying attention, but Netanyahu and the US Government have been collaborating on a plan to thin out the population of Gaza by “incentivizing” Arab countries and the EU to take in Palestinian refugees.

 

There is no plan for peaceful coexistence. The future is continued occupation and humanitarian collapse, and this plan as it has been floated has been met with bipartisan support in Capitol Hill.

 

 

Israel is NOT interested in a Marshall Plan - they want Gazans OUT. The Two-State Fantasy is a Biden delusion. Netanyahu very importantly does not want it - he wants to claim Gaza, Judea, and Samaria for Israeli Jews. Biden gave away all his leverage when he pledged “no red lines” for Israel.

[Kassi]

^And I hope that's not the case. The quicker Hamas surrenders, the quicker we can move on to fighting the final boss Netanyahu (see: Allied Alliance -> Cold War).

 

As it stands now, 500+ rockets launched into Israel per year is egregious. The situation would be 10x more dire without the Iron Dome in place. 

 

That is not a sustainable position and Oct 7th proved exactly why.

[Chemist]

5 hours ago, DAP said:

Is that right? 

 

God he is so awful. I'd prefer Trump at this point

[ClashAndBurn]

15 minutes ago, Chemist said:

God he is so awful. I'd prefer Trump at this point

Aside from the obnoxiousness, his administration is putting out so much harmful misinformation that even the IDF has to tell him to stop.  

 

Like...

 

 

 

[nooniebao]

 

[Harriser]

 

2 hours ago, Aristotle said:

IDF claims that 5,000 of 15,000 dead Palestinians are Hamas casualties. I mean that is better than for them to be civilians but I don't believe it in the slightest. They are lying through their teeth. 

I've read a fairly logical argument about this which is that IDF have reached these numbers by classifying all males of fighting age killed as Hamas casualties. This would put the numbers in line with Gaza Health Ministry. The reality, given tunnels etc, is probably lower than this figure.

 

In any case, even if these likely false numbers are true, 10k civillians including at least 6k children for 5k militants is a widly unacceptable tally and way beyond most other 'regular' conflicts in the 21st century, if such a thing can be said to exist

[nooniebao]

 

[Jjang]

4 hours ago, Kassi said:

^And I hope that's not the case. The quicker Hamas surrenders, the quicker we can move on to fighting the final boss Netanyahu (see: Allied Alliance -> Cold War).

the illegal military occupation of the West Bank (where Hamas does not rule) has been present and expanding for 60 years. That’s 40 years before either Hamas or Netanyahu came to political power. 

 

If Israel is so generous and kind why won’t they offer to withdraw their illegal settlements & nearly one million illegal settlers alike from Palestinian territories? Instead, they’re arming those wildly racist illegal settlers and giving them full impunity to take matters to their own hands. And I’m talking before the escalation of October 7th; the burning of Huwara village by illegal terrorist Jewish settlers happened in February and with full support of the Israeli army. 

 

Israel has a problem with Palestinians living freely in their own homeland. That’s the final boss. Not Netanyahu. 

 

[Letemtalk]

3 hours ago, Harrier said:

I've read a fairly logical argument about this which is that IDF have reached these numbers by classifying all males of fighting age killed as Hamas casualties. This would put the numbers in line with Gaza Health Ministry. The reality, given tunnels etc, is probably lower than this figure.

This is what the US does with their drone attacks. They claim no civilians are killed, when what it really means is that someone piloting a drone from their Army or CIA office in the US, looks at a blurry screen and decides there is no one in the street that looks like a woman and no male looks extremely short, so probably no young boys under 12. Then they fire their missiles.

 

In the internal report they say there were only military age males.

The Pentagon tells the media there were no civilians casualties and most of the US media prints the claim.

 

Israel attacks apartment buildings because just because they can and they tell the media there was a Hamas commander in one of the apartment buildings.

They list everyone that died as Hamas and most of the US media prints the claim.

[RihRihGirrrl]

4 hours ago, Harrier said:

 

I've read a fairly logical argument about this which is that IDF have reached these numbers by classifying all males of fighting age killed as Hamas casualties. This would put the numbers in line with Gaza Health Ministry. The reality, given tunnels etc, is probably lower than this figure.

 

In any case, even if these likely false numbers are true, 10k civillians including at least 6k children for 5k militants is a widly unacceptable tally and way beyond most other 'regular' conflicts in the 21st century, if such a thing can be said to exist

How is that logical? So all men who are older than 17-18 are automatically Hamas?? If this is the standard for their threshold then it's insane and ridiculous. That would mean that there are hundreds and thousands of Hamas members. And how would they have the data to know the age of these males they're dropping bombs on?

[Kitty Kat]