news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[Cloröx]

 

 

[State of Grace.]

1 hour ago, FOCK said:

Not the gay in Gaza discussion points again… 

 

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSNQuYuxk/

 

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSNQu29ue/
 

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSNQujAhN/
 

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSNQu2V4C/

 

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSNQuXWaP/

 

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSNQuUM4v/

 

Tik Tok (so terrify).

These aren’t “new” terms, arabs and Palestinians have been discussing this for 75 years. You just hate that now there’s a successful social media vehicle & platform to have themselves be heard & understood.
 

Just because you may be coming around to the horrific realisation of genocide being committed, it doesn’t mean everyone else has been ignorant. 

 

The Zionist playbook is no longer effective. And by that, I mean the literal Zionist playbooks, that Israel holds training seminars for & anyone can access online.

 

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSNQuqxRo/

 

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSNQumcqn/

 

 

 

 

They're so mad that TikTok has been more informative than 99% of the so-called "reputable news & media outlets" and exposing many of their decades-old lies  

[Harrier]

Messy zionist girlies need to hang it up with the gay in Gaza posts 

How many times does the same argument need to be debunked before the message gets across

[Jjang]

7 hours ago, Noosa said:

Source: “trust me.”
Doesn’t change the fact Israel holds the biggest gay pride in the world annually while the other c̶o̶u̶n̶t̶r̶y̶ state we’re discussing beheads and executes said gays and has a +99% disapproval rate regarding homosexuality. Not everything needs to be argued. Just say you’re a bigoted antisemite and go, lol. 

so all homophobic countries should live under a genocidal military occupation incl. the gay communities among them? Not all oppressions need to be justified. Just say you’re a bigoted anti-Palestinian and go, lol! 

Edited December 3, 2023 by Jjang

[ClashAndBurn]

 

[Mean Trees]

14 hours ago, ZIVERT said:

If denying Ukraine’s right to defend ourselves from a war Russia chose to start because something something NATO and then back tracking after the Bucha Massacre was unveiled is “pro-Ukraine,” then I guess

 

But a genocide-denying, Stalin apologist cannot be pro-Ukraine out of principle. Ironically, the only time Communion has ever said anything in defense of Jewish people was to push the Russian fascist conspiracy theory that Ukrainians are Nazis.

jeez, not again. Since it's ATRL the #1 pop forum on the interweb, let me leave you with this pop gem

 

 

Same arguments all the time that have been responded to ad nauseum. 

[Communion]

Not sure making the newest addition to the Zionist-curated list of "evil, dirty Jew haters" be *checks notes* Michelle Obama is going to win Israel over any American sympathies!

 

Despite what some ~center-right~ users want to tell you, the idea that being pro-Israel is some norm amongst progressive people is a lie. That the only echo chamber is Western liberals who have decided their geopolitical privilege is worth tens of thousands of dead Palestinians, and it just takes poking one's head out and digging deep to see just how much supporting Israel overlaps with nearly every far-right doctrine of belief.

 

So weird how the only Jewish theocracy in the world has such an adorning far-right support base!

 

 

Edited December 3, 2023 by Communion

[Wolf Alice]

7 minutes ago, Communion said:

Not sure making the newest addition to the Zionist-curated list of "evil, dirty Jew haters" be *checks notes* Michelle Obama is going to win Israel over any American sympathies!

 

 

No different from some users here attacking PoCs for not toeing their "pragmatic" line of supporting the establishment that funds the genocide.

[nooniebao]

 

[Communion]

1 hour ago, nooniebao said:

 

This interview with Jayapal with a literal Republican like Dana Bash and its reception amongst Resistance Twitter liberals proves to me that claims by users like @Harrier that all Western liberals need is just for leftists and progressives to condemn Hamas and they'll be open to discussions is nonsense.

 

In this clip, you see Jayapal literally accept the claim that Hamas went beyond war-time norms and explicitly used sexual violence as a weapon, yet her saying this is literally used against her and framed in nearly every liberal reaction as her saying the opposite. That she is framed as downplaying Israeli victims despite literally repeating Israel's claims that Hamas is an extraordinary evil that used rape as a weapon outside of usual norms, all because Bash asks her why she hasn't let such claims of sexual violence end her other defenses of non-Hamas Palestinians, to which Jayapal rejects the premise of and says it's ridiculous to claim she hasn't condemned Hamas.

 

Searching her name on Twitter literally shows mass delusion and outrage over.. comments that did not happen, over her literally calling for the eradication of Hamas and saying that they are a terrorist organization who must be condemned for using rape as a weapon!

 

 

Edited December 4, 2023 by Communion

[Harrier]

4 minutes ago, Communion said:

This interview with Jayapal with a literal Republican like Dana Bash and its reception amongst Resistance Twitter liberals proves to me that claims by users like @Harrier that all Western liberals need is just for leftists and progressives to condemn Hamas and they'll be open to discussions is nonsense.

 

In this clip, you see Jayapal literally accept the claim that Hamas went beyond war-time norms and explicitly used sexual violence as a weapon, yet her saying this is literally used against her and framed in nearly every liberal reaction as her saying the opposite. That she is framed as downplaying Israeli victims despite literally repeating Israel's claims that Hamas is an extraordinary evil that used rape as a weapon outside of usual norms, all because Bash asks her why she hasn't let such claims of sexual violence end her other defenses of non-Hamas Palestinians, to which Jayapal rejects the premise of and says it's ridiculous to claim she hasn't condemned Hamas.

 

 

Jayapal's arguments here are principled and straightforward. The fact that Dana Bash & Wasserman Shultz, both notorious hacks particularly the latter, interpret them in bad faith and attempt to use them against her does not mean that Jayapal should abandon her principles and go full Hamas apologia 

[Communion]

1 minute ago, Harrier said:

Jayapal's arguments here are principled and straightforward. The fact that Dana Bash & Wasserman Shultz, both notorious hacks particularly the latter, interpret them in bad faith and attempt to use them against her does not mean that Jayapal should abandon her principles and go full Hamas apologia 

The response is not limited to Bash nor DWS. One simply has to search Jayapal's name on Twitter to see the mass delusion and hysteria event occurring against her.

 

Let alone... Jayapal implying that rape and sexual violence by Hamas is somehow a unique reality is... not true! 

Which is the issue at hand! Liberals do not actually want Hamas condemned - they want Palestinians at large barbarianized and dehumanized.

 

I and others become unmoved to reach intangible highs of appropriate condemnation when recognizing that Palestinians are human too is "too radical" for 99% of the American political class. Dana Bash IS the average American Israel supporter. 

 

 

[FOCK]

 

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Interesting to ignore what there’s actual evidence & several previous cases for. 

 

Edited December 4, 2023 by FOCK

[ZIVERT]

23 hours ago, Communion said:

Sis, this obsession is weird! I'm pretty concerned that you accepted being run out of the thread by 20+ members after your genocide denial yet only return to slander me!

Sorry, I had to come back from being "run out" by 20+ antisemites members to laugh at this post

Imagine being so chronically online to think random losers on the internet could "run me out"  

 

 

[nooniebao]

 

[Gov Hooka]

36 minutes ago, ZIVERT said:

Sorry, I had to come back from being "run out" by 20+ antisemites members to laugh at this post

Imagine being so chronically online to think random losers on the internet could "run me out"  

 

 

[Communion]

Again, liberals who demand constant calls to condemn Hamas are not seeking reassurance that people recognize Israelis' humanity, but are seeking permission and an avenue to deny Palestinians their humanity:

 

 

 

[DAP]

 

Original source (in French)

https://www.maroc-hebdo.press.ma/hm-starbucks-quittent-maroc

[Letemtalk]

1 hour ago, DAP said:

 

Original source (in French)

https://www.maroc-hebdo.press.ma/hm-starbucks-quittent-maroc

This is the only thing that will make a change. Companies that support ethnic cleansing and genocide should be put out of business, or at least find their businesses are unprofitable in some markets.

 

Politicians like Joe Biden and Keir Starmer should lose elections, preferably until they retire from politics. People should be reminded every day that they supported genocide. If a political party can't find someone better than those two, that party isn't worth your support.

[ClashAndBurn]

 

[ClashAndBurn]

9 hours ago, Communion said:

This interview with Jayapal with a literal Republican like Dana Bash and its reception amongst Resistance Twitter liberals proves to me that claims by users like @Harrier that all Western liberals need is just for leftists and progressives to condemn Hamas and they'll be open to discussions is nonsense.

 

In this clip, you see Jayapal literally accept the claim that Hamas went beyond war-time norms and explicitly used sexual violence as a weapon, yet her saying this is literally used against her and framed in nearly every liberal reaction as her saying the opposite. That she is framed as downplaying Israeli victims despite literally repeating Israel's claims that Hamas is an extraordinary evil that used rape as a weapon outside of usual norms, all because Bash asks her why she hasn't let such claims of sexual violence end her other defenses of non-Hamas Palestinians, to which Jayapal rejects the premise of and says it's ridiculous to claim she hasn't condemned Hamas.

 

Searching her name on Twitter literally shows mass delusion and outrage over.. comments that did not happen, over her literally calling for the eradication of Hamas and saying that they are a terrorist organization who must be condemned for using rape as a weapon!

 

 

Jayapal is still getting roasted over her comments. Mimi “Bernie Sanders makes my skin crawl” Rocha frothing with rage on Morning Joe

 

Wondering if she’ll still be chair of the progressive caucus by the end of the week, to be honest. Most of the caucus isn’t “progressive” to begin with and they’re all super pro-Israel, so I’m not sure that they don’t throw her under the bus.

[Communion]

Trying to link to tweets where Twitter has appropriately flagged any sensitive images so no one is overwhelmed with being forced to see photos of dead infants, but the widespread virality of the conspiracy theory in the last 48 hours has been horrific to see and deserves note.

 

Unfortunately, the Zionist campaign to dehumanize Palestinians is allowed to fester and grow rapidly on social media, and the accusation by the Jerusalem Post has caused the viral spread of fake news, like the below random video:

Many tweets about Palestinian victims, particularly children, now are filled with (likely many bots and) people in the replies claiming dead Palestinians are not what is photographed, with large far-right accounts like EndWokeness or Visegrad24 spreading such disinformation.

 

Not even Palestinian infants are allowed dignity in their few months of life. 

Edited December 4, 2023 by Communion

[wildsidenormani]

Not surprised at all. They're a terrorist state which'll go to any length to dehumanise Palestinians. 

[Kitty Kat]

7 hours ago, DAP said:

 

Original source (in French)

https://www.maroc-hebdo.press.ma/hm-starbucks-quittent-maroc

https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2023/12/359309/kuwaits-al-alshaya-group-denies-starbucks-h-amp-m-exit-from-morocco

 

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Rabat - Kuwaiti franchise operator Alshaya Group has denied the exit of Starbucks and H&M stores from the Moroccan market.

A spokesperson from the group expressed commitment to the group’s business in Morocco, stressing that the operator will continue to operate H&M and Starbucks stores in the country.

The spokesperson further clarified that the group is constantly reviewing its portfolio to ensure it has the right stores in the right places for its clients.

“We believe in the long-term success of the brand [H&M] and while we continue to look for opportunities to maximize its potential, there may be some changes to our stores as part of this,” Le360 quoted t the Kuwaiti franchise operator as saying.

The spokesman also emphasized commitment to continue to operate “all our Starbucks stores in Morocco.”

[Wolf Alice]

Felt sick to my stomach when I saw this the other day. They're going to extreme lengths to dehumanize every single Palestinian.