Ash12345 Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 3 hours ago, ZeroSuitBritney said: 267 pages in and the pro-Israeli users here still want to act like the issue started on October 7th Funny how they never mention the ~10,000 Palestinian prisoners (or should I say hostages?) who are in Israeli custody Has Israel ever threatened to kill them? If not then they're not hostages. 6
State of Grace. Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 52 minutes ago, Ash12345 said: Has Israel ever threatened to kill them? If not then they're not hostages. Israel already kills people in prisons the **** 1
Jjang Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 20,000+ murdered 10,000+ lost under the rubble 60,000+ wounded 2,000,000+ displaced in less than two months. we will never forget.
FOCK Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 No one is getting dragged down in your petty attempts to quarrel over one unsubstantiated hospital bombing. A clear ruse to distract from the facts that - 22 hospitals were destroyed by Israel - They’ve now kidnapped the medical staff that valiantly risked their lives to save the injured - Shot at people in hospitals receiving critical care - Denied babies on incubators access to life saving energy sources - Forced the injured, sick & dying to evacuate to god knows where without regard as to how that was feasible with missing limbs, medical requirements etc & without a ceasefire in place to reduce travel risk, then bombing the alleged “safe passages” anyway You’re either sick and twisted or incredibly dumb & ignorant. Those are your 2 options - & that’s how most of the world views you every time you fix your mouth to regurgitate your transparent poison lies. 8 1 1 1
SmittenCake Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 dumb question incoming: why hasn't there been any options for Palestinians outside of Hamas?
Aethereal Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 50 minutes ago, Jjang said: 20,000+ murdered 10,000+ lost under the rubble 60,000+ wounded 2,000,000+ displaced in less than two months. we will never forget. The number of dead so far is 15K but yeah it will cross the 20K in several weeks if the war does not stop. That is not even including the dead lost under the rubble. Horrific.
Domination Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, SmittenCake said: dumb question incoming: why hasn't there been any options for Palestinians outside of Hamas? There are. Hamas only exists actively in Gaza. West Bank is primarily led by Fatah which does exist in Gaza but lost in the 2006 election and there hasn’t been one since. Political clashing between Hamas and Fatah have prolonged any opportunity for another election along with ongoing aggression from Israel. Edited November 27, 2023 by Domination
ClashAndBurn Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, Domination said: There are. Hamas only exists actively in Gaza. West Bank is primarily led by Fatah which does exist in Gaza but lost in the 2006 election and there hasn’t been one since. Political clashing between Hamas and Fatah have prolonged any opportunity for another election along with ongoing aggression from Israel. Fatah have zero legitimacy in either Gaza or the West Bank; they’re seen as collaborators who do nothing to protect their people while Israeli settlers run roughshod all over them. Not only that, but Israel explicitly said they view Fatah as terrorists as well and don’t want any government installed that will be anything other than an Israeli puppet entity. So no, actually, the Palestinians HAVE no options because Fatah has been purposely undermined by Israel (who’ve also funded Hamas) in order to ensure that no two-state solution could ever be viable. 3
Cloröx Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 7 hours ago, Communion said: What the actual report says: "We cannot make a conclusive finding ourselves and urge both sides to allow for on the ground investigation into the matter" Why won't Israel allow independent NGOs into Gaza to monitor human rights abuses? They conveniently left this apart, hoping we won't check the article but we all know if the international NGOs set their foot on Gaza, all Israel war crimes will get exposed
Delirious Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 8 hours ago, Aristotle said: It took them quite some time to evaluate it and yet you see experts proving or disproving the claim within 2 hours. And yet all the news media reported that Israel did it without officially confirming or denying. And it took the Hamas what, 1 or 2 hours to claim that Israel did it? So much for 'propaganda'. Also I guarantee you, there are still plenty of people, even in this thread who still believe Israel did it. 6 hours ago, Aristotle said: I was specifically talking about the video that you used, which was later discredited by NYT. My main point was that we cannot comprehend a random airstrike in the night sky with no context also being amateur ourselves. Just like I said that random anti-Ukrainian twitter account was pulling things out his ass when he claimed to "expose" that most of the dead Israelis in Oct 7th were non-civilians after the list of the names was revealed. When he does not even have the full name list of IDF soldiers and the names of soldiers can match with that of civilians. I never dismissed the probability that the bombing was not caused by IDF. Whatever evidence Human Rights Watch has found it's not from that misleading video. And that NYT article was later debunked by The Washington Post.
Delirious Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 4 hours ago, FOCK said: No one is getting dragged down in your petty attempts to quarrel over one unsubstantiated hospital bombing. A clear ruse to distract from the facts that - 22 hospitals were destroyed by Israel - They’ve now kidnapped the medical staff that valiantly risked their lives to save the injured - Shot at people in hospitals receiving critical care - Denied babies on incubators access to life saving energy sources - Forced the injured, sick & dying to evacuate to god knows where without regard as to how that was feasible with missing limbs, medical requirements etc & without a ceasefire in place to reduce travel risk, then bombing the alleged “safe passages” anyway You’re either sick and twisted or incredibly dumb & ignorant. Those are your 2 options - & that’s how most of the world views you every time you fix your mouth to regurgitate your transparent poison lies. And what did the Hamas do? Remind me again?
Delirious Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 8 hours ago, Communion said: What the actual report says: "We cannot make a conclusive finding ourselves and urge both sides to allow for on the ground investigation into the matter" Why won't Israel allow independent NGOs into Gaza to monitor human rights abuses? Then why did all the news publications retract their articles on it? Why did all the news publications believe the Hamas words ASAP writing that Israel did i And I agree! Independent NGOs should look into Israel's violations of human rights but guess who else should be checked? The Hamas.
Communion Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Delirious said: And I agree! Independent NGOs should look into Israel's violations of human rights but guess who else should be checked? The Hamas. Who do you think is stopping them from entering Gaza? Israel or Hamas? Quickly. 1
Aethereal Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Delirious said: And yet all the news media reported that Israel did it without officially confirming or denying. And it took the Hamas what, 1 or 2 hours to claim that Israel did it? So much for 'propaganda'. Also I guarantee you, there are still plenty of people, even in this thread who still believe Israel did it. And that NYT article was later debunked by The Washington Post. Regardless it took quite some time and work to evaluate on it. I remember when Israel showed one vague picture that looked like a rabbit hole at the Al Shifa hospital, some were claiming look at the "proof" of the tunnels the others were trying to disprove when there was nothing worthy of disproving. Edited November 28, 2023 by Aristotle
Delirious Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, Communion said: Who do you think is stopping them from entering Gaza? Israel or Hamas? Quickly. Both actually. 1 1
Wolf Alice Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 God, I was just reading about the role of the US in enabling brutal regimes across the world to commit atrocities in the past and did not expect to see their best friend Israel also popping in for the Guatemalan genocide Quote Israel, which had been supplying arms to Guatemala since 1974, continued its aid provisions during Ríos Montt's government. The cooperation did not just involve hardware, but also included providing intelligence and operational training, carried out both in Israel and in Guatemala. In 1982, Ríos Montt told ABC News that his success was due to the fact that "our soldiers were trained by Israelis." There was not much outcry in Israel at the time about its involvement in Guatemala, though the support for Ríos Montt was no secret. According to journalist Victor Perera, in 1985 at a cemetery in Chichicastenango, relatives of a man killed by the military told him that "in church they tell us that divine justice is on the side of the poor; but the fact of the matter is, it is the military who get the Israeli guns. 1
FOCK Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 21 minutes ago, Delirious said: And what did the Hamas do? Remind me again? Good to expose that your standard for how Israel should operate is comparable to that of a so called “terror organisation” & that innocent civilians should pay for it. Quote You’re either sick and twisted or incredibly dumb & ignorant. Those are your 2 options - & that’s how most of the world views you Point proven. Delirious indeed. 1 3
Cloröx Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 9 minutes ago, Communion said: Who do you think is stopping them from entering Gaza? Israel or Hamas? Quickly. Palestine always welcome the independent investigation but who's always rejecting the idea. Some users being a clown as usual https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/17/middleeast/israel-alleged-hamas-tunnel-al-shifa-intl-hnk/index.html
ClashAndBurn Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 The HasbarAnon crowd still clinging on to the ONE hospital that was misreported on as though it justifies the thousands of civilian deaths that have occurred since then. Actually sick and depraved 3
Cloröx Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, Wolf Alice said: God, I was just reading about the role of the US in enabling brutal regimes across the world to commit atrocities in the past and did not expect to see their best friend Israel also popping in for the Guatemalan genocide Guess who's behind the current genocide in Congo too?
Wolf Alice Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: The HasbarAnon crowd still clinging on to the ONE hospital that was misreported on as though it justifies the thousands of civilian deaths that have occurred since then. Actually sick and depraved I have to think these people are truly rotten inside to be justifying such things. No human loss - especially civilians that didn't signup for this **** is ever justifiable. 1
Cloröx Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 Who the hell arrested children and put them in jail to begin with? 1
Cloröx Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 Be careful Biden, there will be Zionists extremist who will assassinate you just like they did on their Prime Minister, Yitzhak Rabin.
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