ClashAndBurn Posted November 26, 2023 Posted November 26, 2023 18 minutes ago, shelven said: Takes like this are exactly why, despite Israel's actions the last several weeks being objectively horrifying and indefensible, you still have polls where a majority or plurality of average Americans support Israel in the conflict. Nah, half of all Americans just severely hate brown people in the middle east and want to see them bombed to oblivion because of lingering hatred and resentment over 9/11 that never went away. Most of the remaining half are extremely indifferent, but relate more to Israel on a surface level because they're (incorrectly) framed as a secular democracy rather than the apartheid ethnostate that they actually are. The only ones that care are millenials on Twitter who've seen images of the bombings for themselves and Gen Z'ers on TikTok. Extremely online discourse like this is completely separate from what most people are exposed to, and, tbh, the only images most people in America have seen have been from October 7. Western media outlets are only able to cover Gaza from Tel-Aviv. Most people don't know that Israel has shown genocidal intent, but even if they were, if past is prologue, Rwanda has shown us that if a genocide is occurring outside of Europe, nobody in the West will give a damn. At least, not in numbers sufficient to effect change. At this point, the BEST Palestine can hope for is the pre-October 7 status quo of slow-walked ethnic cleansing, but Israel has shown that it's not going to accept that, and Joe Biden's tepid urgings of restraint are irrelevant and falling on deaf ears. 2
FOCK Posted November 26, 2023 Posted November 26, 2023 1 hour ago, shelven said: "I don't condone hostage taking, but here's why the hostage taking might actually have a cute little silver lining and teach us about the good in humanity!" Yeah I'm sorry, but some of you are REALLY losing the plot here and are feeding directly into the hands of the Zionists who justify their extremism and fear-mongering by accusing the anti-Zionists of lying when they say they care about the innocent people on both sides Like... there are MANY ways to communicate why Israel is the aggressor and the more destructive force in this conflict without resorting to "see, even Hamas's kidnapping of children wasn't so bad after all!" The fact that some children with cameras on them who are happy to be going to their families after several weeks don't look visibly scared or traumatized is a very messed up thing to try to use as a gotcha. Takes like this are exactly why, despite Israel's actions the last several weeks being objectively horrifying and indefensible, you still have polls where a majority or plurality of average Americans support Israel in the conflict. The pro-Palestinian movement is stereotyped as being unserious and unable to concede that Hamas is doing anything meaningfully wrong (that's where the annoying "but do you condemn Hamas???" thing comes from), and the current discourse around the hostage release is absolutely not helping alleviate that stereotype I literally give zero effs what a Zionist thinks. I will never concede ground or side with a genocidal, brainwashed, racist maniac - and that’s the ideology that underpins the Zionist project. I literally give zero effs what “the majority of American polls” suggest. They have slaughtered our people for generations & American media & politicians are beholden to AIPAC & Zionist entities. Yes, I care that the hostages seem well cared for. That should not be an incendiary statement. Yes, I care that this further highlights the difference between Israel’s utter contempt for Palestinian children’s lives, so much so, that their treatment of them is evidently worse than the supposed “terror organisation” they’re desperate to paint as worse than Hitler. The Zionist argument rests on the brutalisation of innocent civilians. I’m in support of anything that breaks that perception. Israel’s leaders rathered these hostages dead, than be willing to come to the negotiating table sooner & release their own illegal captives, that they’ve reportedly physically and psychologically tortured for years, some as young as 12 - who have been separated from their parents. There’s no comparison. 3 1 1
Cloröx Posted November 26, 2023 Posted November 26, 2023 Yet we barely see mainstream media covering this 1
State of Grace. Posted November 26, 2023 Posted November 26, 2023 (edited) Man on the phone call legit sounding like some users here. I really worry about Motaz. He has put his life on the line every time he goes out to capture the destruction in Gaza and expose Israel's atrocities for 50 days and counting. He already lost many relatives and he's been getting nonstop death threats. His pictures and videos have an incredible reach and they've helped millions of people see the real face of Israel. The occupation is systemically targeting journalists and their families so I hope he stays safe. Seeing Plestia being forced into exile from Gaza to protect her family was so heartbreaking. Edited November 26, 2023 by State of Grace. 1
ZeroSuitBritney Posted November 26, 2023 Posted November 26, 2023 He ate him up. Can't for the regular pro-genocide users here to downvote this post 2
FOCK Posted November 26, 2023 Posted November 26, 2023 (edited) More abhorrent racist rhetoric. Is it any surprise that a number of those South Africans converted & moved to Israel en masse. + Edited November 26, 2023 by FOCK 2
FOCK Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) More recounts from the hostages. All their experiences seem to align with previously released testimony. Edited November 27, 2023 by FOCK 1 2
Dimitri Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 59 minutes ago, SadGirl said: interesting as expected
Communion Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, SadGirl said: interesting Quote The decades-long failure of both Israeli and Palestinian authorities to credibly and impartially investigate alleged violations of international humanitarian law underscores the need for an independent investigation into the incident, which could be conducted by the United Nations Commission of Inquiry, and for all parties to fully cooperate. One has to wonder why Israel continues to refuse the UN entry into Gaza to be independent peacekeepers and watchdogs, especially if Zionists believed what the UN would witness would be to Israel's benefit. Edited November 27, 2023 by Communion
SadGirl Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Communion said: One has to wonder why Israel continues to refuse the UN entry into Gaza to be independent peacekeepers and watchdogs, especially if Zionists believed what the UN would witness would be to Israel's benefit. It's pretty obvious I think (it wouldn't benefit them) Edited November 27, 2023 by SadGirl
heckinglovato Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 22 hours ago, GhostBox said: 19 hours ago, GhostBox said: Why are you spamming this thread with multiple similar (or in this above instance, exactly the same) posts that show nothing new? It's already been reported numerous times that 50+ hostages were freed so what is the point of posting their individual names? Is it because nobody is reacting or replying to you? And don't say it was a double post cause it was like 3 hours apart 2 1
airplane Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) That biden apologist 📦 in here spamming posts is very on brand. But i was thread banned the last time i called them out Edited November 27, 2023 by airplane 1 1
GhostBox Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 21 minutes ago, heckinglovato said: Why are you spamming this thread with multiple similar (or in this above instance, exactly the same) posts that show nothing new? It's already been reported numerous times that 50+ hostages were freed so what is the point of posting their individual names? Is it because nobody is reacting or replying to you? And don't say it was a double post cause it was like 3 hours apart Are you upset to see freed hostages or something? 💀 1 2
SadGirl Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 28 minutes ago, VOSS said: would HRW lie to favor Israel though? 1
heckinglovato Posted November 27, 2023 Posted November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, GhostBox said: Are you upset to see freed hostages or something? 💀 Not at all babes! 📦 But the exchange of hostages has been widely reported days ago, so posting these tweets on every single released Israeli individual (in the above instance reposting the same exact tweet within 3 hours after not getting a single reply or reaction) is embarrassing for you - it's not painting the picture you think you're painting. 📦 2
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