Headlock Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 3 hours ago, Space Cowboy said: You really like twisting one’s words, huh? I didn’t say that at all. I support a free palestine and I strognly condemn Israel’s actions. I’m just hoping they can at least eradicate Hamas, which in the long run would be the best for palestinians. I didn’t know that wishing for the eradication of a terrorist group was something controversial smh Genuine question: why do you think Hamas was formed in the first place? What actions may have caused a Palestinian resistance to form? And as a follow up: Do you think carpet bombing an entire nation will… lead to a different outcome? Or just Hamas 2.0? 1
naomi24 Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) Can we discuss how extremely dehumanizing this argument of civilians being "war fodder" or "human shields" is.... like ur basically saying yeahhhh its sad all these ppl died as a side-product but it was necessary idk *shrugs* Edited October 31, 2023 by naomi24
naomi24 Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Headlock said: Do you think carpet bombing an entire nation will… lead to a different outcome? Or just Hamas 2.0? right....? As if their policy of bombing the region all these years hasn't led to the situation we have right now.
naomi24 Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 5 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said: Taking refugees would basically mean Palestinians would be permanent exiles. Yeah... Has happened to the Rohingyas who tried to escape their genocide in Myanmar. Half a million of them now live in makeshift refugee/concentration camps on the Bangladesh border.
naomi24 Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 idk if anybody posted this? https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/12/israel-white-phosphorus-used-gaza-lebanon These recent phosphorus attacks were first reported by Human Rights Watch ^ FYI ---> White phosphorus munitions are not banned under international law, but because of their incendiary effects, their use is supposed to be tightly regulated.[71] The definition in Article 1 of Protocol III of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons excludes multipurpose munitions, particularly those containing white phosphorus. White phosphorus ignites when interacting with oxygen, releasing a large amount of smoke during combustion. The military can use the curtain to mask troop movements. However, the chemical characteristics of the substance make phosphorus bombs especially dangerous: the burning temperature of phosphorus is 800–2500 °C; it sticks to various surfaces, including skin and clothes; the burning substance is difficult to extinguish. White phosphorus can cause deep burns down to the bones, and remnants of the substance in the tissues can ignite again after the initial treatment. It is difficult for military doctors, who are usually limited by medical resources, to provide timely and full assistance to the victims. Even burn survivors can die from organ failure due to the toxicity of white phosphorus. In addition, fires caused by incendiary projectiles can destroy civilian buildings and property, and damage crops and livestock. Humanitarian organizations such as Human Rights Watch are calling on governments to include phosphorus warheads under the UN Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons.[71][72][73][74] Despite the danger, for 2022 the Chemical Weapons Convention did not classify phosphorus bombs as such. Non-governmental international organizations have recorded their use during military conflicts in Syria, Afghanistan, the Gaza Strip, and other war zones. However, the use of phosphorus bombs near populated areas or civilians is still a war crime, as humanitarian law requires military attacks to be selective. The command is obliged to distinguish between civilians and soldiers, as well as civilian and military objects, which is impossible when using such projectiles in populated areas.
Shelter Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 Israeli’s watching Gaza being bombed and cheering https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJESM7XN/
New Edition Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 Watching MSNBC right now is such a mindfuck because they (especially in the morning/early afternoon hours) are doing the absolute MOST carrying water for Isreal and basically being state media for Netanyahu and it's like....aren't yall supposed to be the PROGRESSIVES in US's media landscape? Literally saw some dude say we're all just going to have to get over the casualities because that's what war is all about. On MSNBC. I had to shut the **** off. 2
Communion Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, DAP said: This is the most effective thing people can do. Boycotting Starbucks or McDonalds because a CEO is a big Israel advocate can move the needle, but how much it does is limited by then the overwhelming number of tech giants and weapons producers working with Israel. CIA agents are being called in to spy on the actions of groups like Palestine Action doing protests and blockades at weapons manufacturers so no one can work is where the pain is really felt. Edited November 1, 2023 by Communion 3
Aethereal Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 15 minutes ago, Shelter said: Israeli’s watching Gaza being bombed and cheering https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJESM7XN/ When you see a great number of both of them cheering each others' deaths how are you going to make a single state with both them in? This is definitely more serious and complicated than South Africa. Jews should have founded their state in some empty land of former British Empire, not in Palestine.
naomi24 Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) Repeated calls from international NGOs, UN and UNICEF but the main-players in the world aren't concerned with pressing Israel into a #Ceasefire. Ridiculous. Edited November 1, 2023 by naomi24
Mocha Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, naomi24 said: Reddit has to be kidding me because I got a "violent" content warning for saying that i personally believe anybody being pro-israel rn should be locked up in a room without internet like the citizens of Gaza on Sunday. Mind you it was in a discussion where i was asking anime fans not to make fuckass Attack on Titan memes about the conflict. don't even bother with reddit, that place is astroturf central Edited October 31, 2023 by Mocha
naomi24 Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, Mocha said: don't even bother with reddit, that place is astroturf central No but it's seriously ridiculous because that's the only clearly pro Palestine comment I made and not only did it get removed , I got content warning. And nobody moderated posts of other people saying braindead stuff like " ohhhh but..anime is art with so many life lessons.. we can draw so many parallels between this anime war and Israel palestine... let us interpret it as as we want...stop moral policing us!! 1
Antonini Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 There better be some Nuremberg trial style hearings after this for the IDF. BUT YEAH THERE PROBABLY WONT and the best that will happen will be like 25 years from now the new generation of Israelis might recognize their parents crimes against humanity and acknowledge that they’re on other peoples land and go on about their day.
Cloröx Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 42 minutes ago, Communion said: This is the most effective thing people can do. Boycotting Starbucks or McDonalds because a CEO is a big Israel advocate doesn't do anything material. CIA agents are being called in to spy on the actions of groups like Palestine Action doing protests and blockades at weapons manufacturers so no one can work is where the pain is really felt. We do boycotting McDonald's/ Starbucks here and three weeks since that they start making huge promo like 80% discounts and more buy 1 free 1, and people people still not buying it 1
Shelter Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 41 minutes ago, Aristotle said: When you see a great number of both of them cheering each others' deaths how are you going to make a single state with both them in? This is definitely more serious and complicated than South Africa. Jews should have founded their state in some empty land of former British Empire, not in Palestine. I don’t think it’s possible considering what they are doing. They are making things worse
Communion Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, Cloröx said: We do boycotting McDonald's/ Starbucks here and three weeks since that they start making huge promo like 80% discounts and more buy 1 free 1, and people people still not buying it That's good to hear. Let me retract the harshness of what I said. It's not my place to diminish those efforts. There's value in people making conscious choices with the Palestinian people in mind, and not everyone is able to put themselves in a situation where they land on an FBI watchlist. It just feels important to emphasize what actions the US and Five Eyes apparatus are working overtime to avoid. 1
Cloröx Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 4 hours ago, Aristotle said: The Sabra and Shatila massacre refers to the 1982 killings of between 460 and 3,500 civilians—mostly Palestinians and Lebanese Shias—in the city of Beirut during the Lebanese Civil War. It was perpetrated by the Lebanese Forces, one of the main Christian militias in Lebanon, under the command of Lebanese politician Elie Hobeika. The killings were carried out in Beirut's Sabra neighbourhood and in the adjacent Shatila refugee camp. Two days earlier, on 14 September, Lebanese politician Bachir Gemayel had been assassinated, prompting the Phalangists to call for a revenge attack. You do realized that IDF also part of the massacre, right? 1
Aethereal Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 Jews should've founded their state in almost empty Tasmania or some part of Australia. The amount of lives that would have been saved.
naomi24 Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 12 minutes ago, Aristotle said: Jews should've founded their state in almost empty Tasmania or some part of Australia. The amount of lives that would have been saved. Lol the Britishers proposed territory in Uganda to Zionists in 1900s but they refused to accept it because the ultimate aim of Zionism was to go back to the jewish "homeland" or "holy land" which is in Jerusalem.
BeenTheShit Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 Not Yemen now firing rockets and declaring war on Israel.
Aethereal Posted November 1, 2023 Posted November 1, 2023 Regarding the abuse of Palestinians by IDF, Israeli commenters are finally condemning that but they are also saying to not fall on their level. (meaning the Palestinians' level)
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