Nova_23 Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, ForgottenSoul said: You literally have people in this thread and other threads saying Israel shouldn't exist and that Hamas are freedom fighters, so is that calling for Israeli people to be killed or something else? I'm honestly not sure if Israel was bombing Gaza pre-October 7th if you have some sources for that would like to know. It’s very clear you’re very very uneducated on this topic. How about you go do your own research or even just read these thread and see all the atrocities that the state of Israel has committed on Palestinians not just in Palestine but other areas as well (Sabra and Shatilla massacre in the 80s) long before October 7th. It’s on you to educate yourself but until then you have no right to call out those of us who are actually educated and aware of what’s going on.
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted October 31, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, ForgottenSoul said: You literally have people in this thread and other threads saying Israel shouldn't exist and that Hamas are freedom fighters, so is that calling for Israeli people to be killed or something else? I'm honestly not sure if Israel was bombing Gaza pre-October 7th if you have some sources for that would like to know. https://www.npr.org/2023/09/24/1201381201/an-israeli-military-raid-has-killed-two-palestinians-in-the-west-bank https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_2023_Gaza–Israel_clashes
Aethereal Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, Nova_23 said: It’s very clear you’re very very uneducated on this topic. How about you go do your own research or even just read these thread and see all the atrocities that the state of Israel has committed on Palestinians not just in Palestine but other areas as well (Sabra and Shatilla massacre in the 80s) long before October 7th. It’s on you to educate yourself but until then you have no right to call out those of us who are actually educated and aware of what’s going on. The Sabra and Shatila massacre refers to the 1982 killings of between 460 and 3,500 civilians—mostly Palestinians and Lebanese Shias—in the city of Beirut during the Lebanese Civil War. It was perpetrated by the Lebanese Forces, one of the main Christian militias in Lebanon, under the command of Lebanese politician Elie Hobeika. The killings were carried out in Beirut's Sabra neighbourhood and in the adjacent Shatila refugee camp. Two days earlier, on 14 September, Lebanese politician Bachir Gemayel had been assassinated, prompting the Phalangists to call for a revenge attack.
VilsonMuqa Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 I hope another country steps in & bombs the **** out of israel, just like they are doing.
Communion Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 18 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said: You literally have people in this thread and other threads saying Israel shouldn't exist and that Hamas are freedom fighters, so is that calling for Israeli people to be killed or something else? I'm honestly not sure if Israel was bombing Gaza pre-October 7th if you have some sources for that would like to know. It's beyond parody at this point. Israel needs to be dissolved. Settlers and those sympathetic to settlers are materially invested in the occupation at this point. Every Palestinian home lost is an Israel home gained. Every dollar out of a Palestinian pocket is a dollar towards a life of luxury in Israel for settlers. Zionists like this user will defend the apartheid system for as long as there are legal avenues for the occupation to occur. Users like this prove that Israelis and Palestinians can't co-exist until the parameters of a Jewish ethno-state are no longer in place.
DAP Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 29 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said: You literally have people in this thread and other threads saying Israel shouldn't exist and that Hamas are freedom fighters, so is that calling for Israeli people to be killed or something else? I'm honestly not sure if Israel was bombing Gaza pre-October 7th if you have some sources for that would like to know. https://www.vox.com/world-politics/23921529/israel-palestine-timeline-gaza-hamas-war-conflict
ForgottenSoul Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Nova_23 said: It’s very clear you’re very very uneducated on this topic. How about you go do your own research or even just read these thread and see all the atrocities that the state of Israel has committed on Palestinians not just in Palestine but other areas as well (Sabra and Shatilla massacre in the 80s) long before October 7th. It’s on you to educate yourself but until then you have no right to call out those of us who are actually educated and aware of what’s going on. My bad I was talking about since the most recent ceasefire I know quite a lot about this topic just not everything, which is why I asked for a source of something someone claimed instead of just rebuking it or believing it? You can call that uneducated I call that wanting to know more about a subject and obviously not knowing everything. 36 minutes ago, khalyan said: https://www.npr.org/2023/09/24/1201381201/an-israeli-military-raid-has-killed-two-palestinians-in-the-west-bank https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_2023_Gaza–Israel_clashes Thanks. Do you have anything from May 2023 until October 7th? I have read that an uptick in violence was happening Im guessing that was mainly in the west bank but maybe Gaza also. 29 minutes ago, VilsonMuqa said: I hope another country steps in & bombs the **** out of israel, just like they are doing. I mean Hamas are trying to do that with 100 rockets a day. Edited October 31, 2023 by ForgottenSoul 1
ForgottenSoul Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Communion said: It's beyond parody at this point. Israel needs to be dissolved. Settlers and those sympathetic to settlers are materially invested in the occupation at this point. Every Palestinian home lost is an Israel home gained. Every dollar out of a Palestinian pocket is a dollar towards a life of luxury in Israel for settlers. Zionists like this user will defend the apartheid system for as long as there are legal avenues for the occupation to occur. Users like this prove that Israelis and Palestinians can't co-exist until the parameters of a Jewish ethno-state are no longer in place. Wrong I support a two-state solution I don't support Isreal being dissolved, what Isreal needs to do is get out of West Bank and Gaza. What Hamas needs to do is to stop being Iran's dog and think about the future of their people but they are too busy living a good life in Qatar. Edited October 31, 2023 by ForgottenSoul
baelani Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Space Cowboy said: I hope Hamas get completely destroyed at least You do realise that if Hamas gets wiped out (which I don’t think will happen any time soon since their leader is running operations from Qatar) another angrier more aggressive militant group will pop up And say that Hamas is out of the picture. Why does Israel continue to illegally occupy the West Bank and oppress people over there too? There’s no Hamas in West Bank yet 120 people have been killed there since Oct 7th and settlers are pushing people out of their homes protected by the IDF stating it’s a new nakba https://euobserver.com/world/157631 2
ForgottenSoul Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, baelani said: You do realise that if Hamas gets wiped out (which I don’t think will happen any time soon since their leader is running operations from Qatar) another angrier more aggressive militant group will pop up And say that Hamas is out of the picture. Why does Israel continue to illegally occupy the West Bank and oppress people over there too? There’s no Hamas in West Bank yet 120 people have been killed there since Oct 7th and settlers are pushing people out of their homes protected by the IDF stating it’s a new nakba https://euobserver.com/world/157631 Im guessing IDF destroy Hamas and then pull out at least that means from their perspective a big force of trained terrorists are destroyed and all the tunnels and weapons etc.. are gone. netanyahu will hopefully be gone after that and maybe some sort of deal can happen but who knows Palestine people are angry which is justified. Can I ask you something though what should Israel have done in response to Hamas? Edited October 31, 2023 by ForgottenSoul
ForgottenSoul Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 https://www.reuters.com/world/open-hatred-jews-surges-globally-inflamed-by-gaza-war-2023-10-31/ No real surprise sadly.
State of Grace. Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 8 minutes ago, Shelter said: Seeing these videos really makes it easy to know which side is being oppressed. Certainly not the one having the time to make TikToks? 😬 And its the way they always make their children part of it for me. The level of brainwashing/indoctrination is so scary 1 1
RihRihGirrrl Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 12 minutes ago, Shelter said: Evil, souless, hateful! 1
Shelter Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, State of Grace. said: Seeing these videos really makes it easy to know which side is being oppressed. Certainly not the one having the time to make TikToks? 😬 And its the way they always make their children part of it for me. The level of brainwashing/indoctrination is so scary They are scum. It’s not something to joke about. 2
RihRihGirrrl Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 I hope the world sees these tiktok challenges and are exposed to the way Isreali citizens are emboldened to harass, humiliate, violate, and expell Palestinians from their homes.....thank God for social media because Lord knows Western media would never talk about this
RihRihGirrrl Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) Egypt will allow passage for 81 injured Palestinians through the Rafah boarder to get treatment in Egypt Edited October 31, 2023 by RihRihGirrrl
ClashAndBurn Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, RihRihGirrrl said: Egypt will allow passage for 81 injured Palestinians through the Rafah boarder to get treatment in Egypt Hopefully they get the treatment they need, but we all know Israel’s not letting them back in.
airplane Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) So i got thread banned for calling someone a zionist but they continue to post in here… Edited October 31, 2023 by airplane
More Than A Melody Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, ForgottenSoul said: You literally have people in this thread and other threads saying Israel shouldn't exist and that Hamas are freedom fighters, so is that calling for Israeli people to be killed or something else? I'm honestly not sure if Israel was bombing Gaza from 3 May 2023 to October 7th(ceasfire period) if you have some sources for that would like to know. You're talking about me. I called them a resistance group, not freedom fighters. That is what Hamas is. A resistance group. The "terrorist" label is simply a fearmongering one the west uses to target Muslims (and other "scary" BIPOC) into making people think of them as big bad monsters. They did it with Malcolm X, the Black Panthers, even f*cking Martin Luther King. Nelson Mandela went to F*CKING PRISON. He was ALSO called a terrorist I'm not saying Hamas is the reincarnation of MLK or Mandela, don't get me wrong. I think the extreme actions they took on October 7 were atrocious, but they were not "terrorist." As much as 85% of Hamas are Palestinian children whose parents were killed by airstrikes by Israel. Their attacks are literally a way to resist the conditions in which Palestinian people have been forced to live for 75 f*cking years. Grow some f*cking empathy. You can be against their specific actions and think they were brutal and not call them terrorists, not say they're the source of all world evil, not believe that they did it for absolutely no reason and with no provocation. I've been asking this to every single person who goes on and on about Hamas when we're witnessing the abhorrent way Israel is behaving: WHAT. WOULD. YOU. DO. What would you do if your parents were killed by Israeli bombs? What would you do if they limited your water supply? What would you do if you weren't allowed to go anywhere? What would you do if the actions of a government limited the availability of jobs and condemned you and your loved ones to a life of poverty and hunger? What would you do if this had been the way you and your people live for 75 years while your next door neighbor country does not have to deal with any of this? And they were the ones causing it for absolutely NO valid reason? What would you do? Don't tell me what you wouldn't do. Tell me what you WOULD do? Because all actions you might describe will be classified as "terrorist" by the Israelis. The Israel Ambassador to the UN once took A F*CKING ROCK to a security council in the UN to complain about Palestinians and how victimized Israel was. I'm not even joking: Apparently Palestinians can't even THROW A ROCK, that's a terrorist attack, but Israel can carpet bomb their entire territory, and that's "Israel's right to defend itself". That's why. No, Hamas is not a terrorist organization. Any other questions?? 4 8
naomi24 Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 Reddit has to be kidding me because I got a "violent" content warning for saying that i personally believe anybody being pro-israel rn should be locked up in a room without internet like the citizens of Gaza on Sunday. Mind you it was in a discussion where i was asking anime fans not to make fuckass Attack on Titan memes about the conflict.
naomi24 Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, ForgottenSoul said: You literally have people in this thread and other threads saying Israel shouldn't exist and that Hamas are freedom fighters, so is that calling for Israeli people to be killed or something else? I'm honestly not sure if Israel was bombing Gaza from 3 May 2023 to October 7th(ceasfire period) if you have some sources for that would like to know. Oh fine I will bite the bait A Terrorist : (OXFORD dictionary) a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. Oct 7, 2023 was an attack by Hamas on Israeli civilians and they have also committed some more attacks like these in the past since their formation. So yes, Hamas is a terrorist organisation by definition and are declared as such by the international governments, which I believe is fine. Extremist violence on civilians should never be justified in a lawful setting. THAT being said. IDF is NOT a terrorist organisation in name, but their actions towards Palestinian civilians are also similar- unlawful violence and intimidation. Plus they were also made from combining past Israeli "terrorist" groups with the Israeli army. Israel as the STATE shouldn't exist is not the same as Israeli people shouldn't exist. If you think that the only way Israel cant exist is by killing all Israelis (or by some extension, all jews) then I must say your brain is full of some genocidal rhetoric yourself- drink water and go to sleep. Edited October 31, 2023 by naomi24
Gaia Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 Israel is not going to be dissolved and there’s growing sympathy for Palestinians but you’d struggle to get support for dissolving Israel as a country. Won’t happen.
naomi24 Posted October 31, 2023 Posted October 31, 2023 2 hours ago, ForgottenSoul said: I'm honestly not sure if Israel was bombing Gaza from 3 May 2023 to October 7th(ceasfire period) if you have some sources for that would like to know. I am putting here a Washington Post article from October because I know that some western readers like to dismiss Al-Zazeera as biased. Note I am only highlighting the parts with attacks on Palestinians by the IDF because thats what you asked for. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/07/israel-gaza-violence-conflict-faq/ September: Growing fears of all-out conflict Just last month, Israel and Hamas, the Palestinian militant group that rules Gaza, appeared to be on the brink of war. Israeli border agents found explosive material hidden in a shipment of jeans and halted all exports from the Gaza Strip. Hamas put its forces on high alert and held field exercises with other armed groups, including Palestinian Islamic Jihad. The drills included practice rocket launches, ambushes and the “storming” of settlements, local media in Gaza reported, in an apparent preview of the attacks launched on Saturday. Hamas also allowed Palestinians to begin protesting again along the separation fence between Israel and Gaza, where young demonstrators have faced off against Israeli soldiers. On Sept. 13, five Palestinians were killed when they attempted to detonate an explosive at the barrier wall. “It has been quiet, but it is beginning to boil,” Basem Naim, head of Hamas’s Political and International Relations Department, said in an interview with The Washington Post in September. “There is a lot of pressure under the water.” The tensions in Gaza followed a violent summer in the West Bank, where ***-for-tat attacks flared between Palestinian militants on one side and Israeli forces and Jewish settlers on the other. Israel staged multiple military raids in the city of Jenin, where it said militants were planning attacks on Israeli troops and civilians. On June 19, Israeli forces raided Jenin and killed at least five Palestinians, deploying Apache helicopters in the West Bank for the first time since the second intifada, or Palestinian uprising, which lasted from 2000 to 2005. The next day, Hamas gunmen opened fire at a hummus restaurant outside Eli, an Israeli settlement in the West Bank, killing four Israelis. And on June 21, hundreds of Israeli settlers rampaged through Palestinian villages — including Turmus Ayya, where one person was killed — torching homes and cars, as well as shooting at residents, according to Turmus Ayya mayor Lafi Adeeb. Israel then also carried out its first drone strike in the West Bank since 2006, killing three suspected militants. On July 3, Israel’s military launched its biggest operation there in more than two decades, staging an air and ground attack on a refugee camp in Jenin with roughly 1,000 soldiers. Israeli officials said they were targeting a militant “command center” in an operation that marked the start of an “extensive counterterrorism effort” that the Israel Defense Forces said would continue indefinitely. At least eight people were killed and 80 injured, according to the Palestinian Health Ministry. You mention only the ceasefire period from May to October but Israel wasn't being silent during other ceasefire periods lol. Spring violence flares in Gaza and the West Bank Before Israel’s massive operation in Jenin in July, its security forces shot and killed a 14-year-old boy on a bicycle as they pursued two Palestinian militants in March. The Post created a 3D reconstruction of the raid by synchronizing and reviewing dozens of videos from March 16, when the incident took place, as well as speaking to witnesses. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2023/israel-palestinians-raids-west-bank/?itid=lk_interstitial_manual_35 In early April, during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, Palestinian worshipers at al-Aqsa barricaded themselves inside the mosque. Israeli police then stormed the site in the Old City of Jerusalem and used “stun grenades and tear gas, fired sponge-tipped bullets, and indiscriminately beat Muslim worshipers — including elderly people and women — with batons and rifle butts,” the U.N. Human Rights Office said in a statement. About a month later, Israel launched surprise airstrikes in Gaza targeting leaders of the Islamic Jihad militant organization, which is backed by Iran. The strikes killed three top militants and 10 others, according to Palestinian health officials, including four women and four children. Israel carried out the strikes a week after it reached a cease-fire with Palestinian armed factions. The Israel Defense Forces said the three senior Islamic Jihad members who were killed were responsible for recent rocket fire and attacks against Israelis. The strikes set off a five-day bout of violence that killed at least 33 people in Gaza and two people in Israel.
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