Cloröx Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 Notice that when people supporting Gaza people, certain Zionist apologists here so fast to conclude that they are supporting Hamaz. And when Palestine supporters criticize IDF and Israel gov itself, the same Zionist apologists assume that people are hating Israel and Jewish people as whole becoz they wanna try to abuse anti-semitic card real bad knowing that all facts and evidences of the crime wars are not in their favor West Bank is not under Hamaz yet people there also faces the constant violence by IDF, it's just Gaza having the worst. 5 2
Cloröx Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 Free Palestine First just like Black Live Matter first before All Lives Matter
Carter Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Cloröx said: Free Palestine First just like Black Live Matter first before All Lives Matter only black lives matter, animals don't 🤣 even peta asks for better conditions for animals than the UN for palestinians and their prime minster posting 4k videos of them bombing and burning gaza to the ground and the world is cheering Edited October 11, 2023 by Carter
FlyPirate Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 6 hours ago, Glam said: How are you different from the nazis? I've always known the far left are the real nazis but it's such a delight for y'all to finally admit it. You’re now in this thread pushing an agenda or sum. Congrats on buying the American propaganda I guess. That post is pure ignorance. 2
FOCK Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 36 minutes ago, Phantom said: I've been seeing interviews of the Palestinian ambassador to the UK, who by the way represents Fatah - and the constant, incessant demands placed on him to condemn Hamas - something that he masterfully navigates, with patience and grace - is ridiculous, because HE DOES NOT REPRESENT OR SPEAK FOR HAMAS. It is a LITERAL oppositional party to Hamas???? This insidious burden placed upon the oppressed to constantly self-flagellate and apologize for the more radical, psychopathic reactionary factions that evolve from a shared goal is insane. 90% of the conversations he has been in is "WELL, DO YOU condemn Hamas?" as he once again explains that it is not something he flipped a switch on, and it is not even related to him or the people he represents. I watched those interviews too, and it’s infuriating. One of these ambassadors lost 6 members of his family over the last 2 days & the only thing the BBC interviewer kept parroting was “do you condemn Hamas?” … literally after he had condemned violence. People have lost their jobs for expressing any solidarity with the Palestinian plight, the same can’t be said for supporters of the Israeli regime. Hamas’ actions have been rightfully criticised as inhumane, the same ire has not been directed at the Israeli leadership who’ve openly referred to the Palestinians as animals, have dropped illegal white phosphorus bombs over 3 nations & proudly tweeted footage of them levelling civilian buildings. They make peaceful protest illegal, they make escape impossible, they sabotage any efforts for democratic elections, radicalise & traumatise entire generations of people by making their lives a living hell, slaughtering their family, restricting access to food & water, bulldozing their homes & turning a blind eye to or encouraging illegal settlers to further encroach on their land, antagonise them during holy months & within their buildings of worship - and then feign perplexity at retaliation. The only way to provide these these tragic, awful deaths on either side any semblance of respect or meaning, is to enact immediate reform on the aforementioned barbaric policies. But Bibi’s arrogance, bloodthirst & motivation to appease his right-wing party will sooner have him incite more terror, & callously place even more Israeli and Palestinian people in harms way, than to do what is right. Every life is “collateral” on the way to their goal of Palestinian eradication. Imagine the US government bombing an entire apartment complex full of families in Michigan, because they theorise an active shooter may be hiding within it & attempting to excuse it as “defence”. Sheer insanity. 6
ClashAndBurn Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 8 hours ago, Glam said: I don't care about the Palestinians' fight for their country Yes, you, like many here, have made that very clear. 8 hours ago, Glam said: How are you different from the nazis? I've always known the far left are the real nazis but it's such a delight for y'all to finally admit it. He says while literally sticking up for the terrorist organization that’s about to wage a genocidal campaign in the country they’ve been oppressing and occupying for decades 8 hours ago, Glam said: Does all of this mean that the US had to just let Al Qaeda chill in Afghanistan and wait for the next attack? Unironically, the world would be a better place today if the United States government had done introspection into why foreign terrorists would stage an attack on American civilians instead of waging a campaign of bloodlust and revenge. Bush’s War On Terror is what created ISIS to begin with. 1 1
FOCK Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 A fantastic and informative breakdown & contextualisation of the current events. It’s long, but it’s worth it.
Cloudy Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 It will probably never happen, but I hope one day Palestina manage to be free from the apartheid state that Israel is 2
FOCK Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 49 minutes ago, Gui Blackout said: … you’re not even this gullible. Truly. Are you for real posting that without a hint of irony or awareness? When you don’t need to make things up: Quote IDF removes gag on 2016 conviction of officer for raping Palestinian woman Military had long barred outlets from publishing information about the case, a decision that was was largely overturned this week following appeal by Ynet news site source: Times Of Israel Quote The IDF released figures of sexual assault for 2020 in February of last year with 1,542 complaints, including 26 cases of rape, 391 obscene acts, and 92 cases of distributing photos and videos. source: The Jerusalem Post Quote The soldier is suspected of raping a 17-year-old girl and is currently under investigation. Despite this, he will start training in the coming days. source: J Post Quote At least 17 soldiers and five civilians are under investigation for the rape of an 11-year-old girl at an Israeli air base, the military confirmed yesterday. source: The Guardian Quote Shin Bet personnel, IDF officers and an army medic and a clerk undertook a highly invasive search of a Palestinian detainee. She didn't pose clear and present danger. Intelligence did not justify such an extreme act. Last week, the investigation on suspicion of rape and sodomy against all those involved was closed. source: Haaretz Quote IDF soldiers released after gang rape allegations withdrawn The three soldiers accused, claim sexual relations consensual, offering supporting evidence, one willing to submit to polygraph test; after week in custody, IDF still unresolved if any legal action must be taken against any of the suspects. source: Ynet News I could go on. 4
FOCK Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) What we do have evidence of, is thousands of dead Palestinian babies, of course. Business as usual. No need to condem that, right Mr. GUI hasbara? We’re fine with those? Edited October 11, 2023 by FOCK 4
Gui Blackout Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 19 minutes ago, FOCK said: … you’re not even this gullible. Truly. Are you for real posting that without a hint of irony or awareness? When you don’t need to make things up: I could go on. "But the other side has raped too" is not the defense you think it is 2
FOCK Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 Just now, Gui Blackout said: "But the other side has raped too" is not the defense you think it is There’s nothing to defend. There is no evidence of rape. In fact, you’d be hard pressed to find any case of a Palestinian ever sexually assaulting a Jewish citizen. I can post pages worth of the IDF doing so. Post something credible & it’ll warrant rightful condemnation. So which is it? Do you condemn the seemingly wide-spread rape culture within the IDF?
byzantium Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 8 minutes ago, Gui Blackout said: "But the other side has raped too" is not the defense you think it is It does show the selective outrage though. 4
Gui Blackout Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, FOCK said: There’s nothing to defend. There is no evidence of rape. In fact, you’d be hard pressed to find any case of a Palestinian ever sexually assaulting a Jewish citizen. I can post pages worth of the IDF doing so. Post something credible & it’ll warrant rightful condemnation. So which is it? Do you condemn the seemingly wide-spread rape culture within the IDF? That's... laughably untrue, and I can highlight a recent case at the top of my head: https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-jailed-for-life-plus-20-years-for-murder-rape-of-ori-ansbacher/ But this back and forth is not only pretty sleazy but also not the point. I have no interest in defending wrongdoings from IDF soldiers, and you're not here to do PR damage control for Hamas' militants. A crime is a crime and surely we can agree on that. 2
State of Grace. Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 10 hours ago, Communion said: After that, it feels important to highlight these below posts from before from users who always speak with both consideration and sincerity (with all 3 being far more eloquent and in-tune to many of the experiences being touched on than myself could be [praise to a myriad of other users as well, of course]): (I'm also thinking of @Jjang in times like this and hope they're doing okay. ) Thank you for your words. It feels almost silly to use emojis in such discussions but it feels important to take time to thank those who always bring clarity to such discussions, especially when times have seen such vitriol grow on ATRL in recent months. It does get really draining (especially when you're met with personal attacks such as "terrorist supporter", "self-hating gay", etc) but I try my best to keep my temper under control. Thank you for always being so eloquent and well-spoken. I really appreciate your in-depth takes and you are an example to follow for anyone genuinely wanting to get educated on the conflict/cause despite not being from Palestine or anywhere close to the region. 7
Cloröx Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 The community notes truly exposed Zionists their lies 1
TaggedGalaxy Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 I support a free Palestine but the crazies leaving disgusting comments on victims and their families social media is not helping the cause
Buffy Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 Is the US helping civilians on both sides? I’m seeing a lot of support for Israel but not Palenstine on the news…. 1
Carter Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 6 hours ago, Phantom said: Also you know what? I've now decided to abandon the constant, perpetual "yes, Hamas is awful" disclaimer in several of the ""discussions"" I've been having online. I've said it too many times, and how many (or how few) times I say it has no bearing on the broader context. I've been seeing interviews of the Palestinian ambassador to the UK, who by the way represents Fatah - and the constant, incessant demands placed on him to condemn Hamas - something that he masterfully navigates, with patience and grace - is ridiculous, because HE DOES NOT REPRESENT OR SPEAK FOR HAMAS. It is a LITERAL oppositional party to Hamas???? This insidious burden placed upon the oppressed to constantly self-flagellate and apologize for the more radical, psychopathic reactionary factions that evolve from a shared goal is insane. 90% of the conversations he has been in is "WELL, DO YOU condemn Hamas?" as he once again explains that it is not something he flipped a switch on, and it is not even related to him or the people he represents. Ironically, the language when speaking to Israeli government officials rarely veers into "do you regret the deaths of hundreds of Gazans", and if the conversation even goes there, a sort "hm yea sad but LOL war amirite" response usually placates the journalist asking that question. The bias could not be clearer, and you do not have to have a degree in communication, language, political science, international relations or whatever to see what is so brazenly going on here. It is even more perverse when the Western media will not only never recognize or meaningfully cover the factions within the PL that have been carrying out tactical military operations, with mixed results - such a story is a harder emotional sell than murdered babies, presumably - and in the cruel instances that it does recognize other parties (such as this one), it wants them to prostate over for an entity that itself snatched power from said party. Enough. So yeah. FREE Palestine. Once you Free Palestine, you also end the suffering of civilians across BOTH nations. basically how everyone here acts if you defend palestine
FlyPirate Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, Buffy said: Is the US helping civilians on both sides? I’m seeing a lot of support for Israel but not Palenstine on the news…. eh?? 💀 baby the US is helping aid the Israel Defense Forces with tons of artillery and combat aircrafts for them to wipe the entirety of Gaza. The Israel Defense Minister has confirmed that their next move is to attack and invade by ground. I don’t know if Hamas have the means to neutralize that but the high possibilities of Hezbollah getting involved… it’a looking bad.
Buffy Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 16 minutes ago, FlyPirate said: eh?? 💀 baby the US is helping aid the Israel Defense Forces with tons of artillery and combat aircrafts for them to wipe the entirety of Gaza. The Israel Defense Minister has confirmed that their next move is to attack and invade by ground. I don’t know if Hamas have the means to neutralize that but the high possibilities of Hezbollah getting involved… it’a looking bad. Shouldn’t civilians on both sides be brought to safety first? Why do they have to suffer in this war
Raphy23 Posted October 11, 2023 Posted October 11, 2023 12 hours ago, Eóghan said: Surprisingly in this megathread you know what's shocking me the most in this sea of replies? it's actually the people who come in here writing **** like they "know nothing about this conflict", "wanna learn more" or saying "what is this about"? Y'all can't be kids under 12? That's the only demo I can excuse. This conflict has been going on for half a century, taught in school in history and making the news multiple times per year without skipping a beat. I don’t watch the news, and haven’t in 5 years. I just stayed up all night educating myself on this. It’s heartbreaking
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