news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[RihRihGirrrl]

FYI Hamas spokesperson just said they will release all hostages if Isreal commits to a ceasefire 

[DAP]

 

Do they involve tips on how to bomb a wedding?

[More Than A Melody]

5 minutes ago, DAP said:

 

Do they involve tips on how to bomb a wedding?

Of course the war criminal would start his statement off acting like the 75 years prior to October 7th didn't exist.

[Communion]

42 minutes ago, Gaia said:

Negotiating with terrorists who are holding hostages incentives them to do it again knowing it gives them "power" over you. This is like government policy 101.

 

The bad guys here are the ones who took the hostages, not the ones not willing to "negotiate" for their release.

 

Notice how it was "50" hostages and not "all" the hostages. If one negotiation works then they'll up the stakes for the rest.

 

 

Oh wow, sis, thank you for this clear-headed political analysis.  This sounds pretty logic on first read!

 

I mean, if these people kidnapped civilians, they MUST be bad, no? That'd be previous obvious of a conclusion, no?

 

Why would you give in to these people's demands? Especially if they're probably demanding money, jewels, diamonds, gold, etc. I bet if I looked it up right now, these nefarious TERRORISTS would be exploiting human suffering for personal gain and riches, showcasing the inhumanity of greed and violence. 

 

*checks statement regarding hostages*

 

Oh, they want... *re-reads* fuel for the generators of hospitals without power people are dying in that Israel cut power off to..... *blinks* oh.

 

[Atlantic Council natsec ghoul voice] WELL MAYBE THOSE HOSPITALS HAD IT COMING?!!?

Edited October 23, 2023 by Communion

[Bloodflowers.]

 

Oop- I didn't know Cenk could cook like that  I'm speechless 

 

But of course they had to make him look like a crazy angry lunatic in that thumbnail photo, how convinient 

 

[More Than A Melody]

3 minutes ago, SmittenCake said:

 

 

 

didnt expect to hear this coming from him...

I think he's defending Israel... which should tell you enough about how cuckoo he is.

[Gaia]

1 minute ago, RihRihGirrrl said:

You gotta be kidding me! ...stop trying to make this a good vs. bad situation. Hamas is deplorable and the Isreali Gov/IDF are astronomically worst. 

 

The fact is, they are bombing all of Gaza into oblivion, killing children, and innocent people in the name of these hostages yet won't even accept 50 hostages in return for fuel.... something that should already be flowing into Gaza for basic humanitarian needs. 

 

 

Who called Israel the good guy? I swear you guys just take anyone not blindly agreeing with you guys as "pro-Israel"

 

Removing any context of "good" or "bad," no government actively negotiates with terrorists. I simply pointed out that expecting a government to negotiate with terrorists or they "don't care about their people" is false logic. If a negotiation is successful, Hamas will demand more next time. There's a reason that's a generally practiced rule by most governments. You never incentivize terrorism.

 

Just now, Shelter said:

Why would they give all their hostages up so easily  

 

Why are people putting up posters of the hostages in the UK and US. What’s the point of that? 

I mean they can set their own "terms" for hostage release - just that the Israel government isn't obligated to negotiate or settle

[Gaia]

The complete lack of reading comprehension in the hopes of a "gotcha" moment. Clowns

 

Hamas having civilian hostages automatically makes them bad guys. Regardless if Israel isn't innocent either. No mental gymnastics will change that.

Edited October 23, 2023 by Gaia

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21 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

According to @Gaia

 

The bad guys:

The good guys:

 

Israel government is ******* disgusting. This woman is ******* nuts.

[Kitty Kat]

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/10/23/dublin-woman-fired-by-israeli-company-over-anti-israel-social-media-posts

 

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Dublin woman fired by Israeli company over anti-Israel social media posts

Irish employee of Wix dismissed after labelling Israel a ‘terrorist state’ on social media

 

A woman has been fired from the Irish office of an Israeli tech company over social media posts where she described Israel as a “terrorist state” in recent days.

 

The employee, who had worked in the Dublin office of Wix for 4½ years, was fired on Monday, following backlash from Israeli colleagues to her comments on the Israel-Hamas conflict.

 

Wix, an Israeli software company that provides a platform for people to build websites, employs about 500 people in its Dublin office.

 

Courtney Carey (26), from Clondalkin, southwest Dublin, was told that she was dismissed with immediate effect over her statements criticising Israel on social media.

[More Than A Melody]

10 minutes ago, Gaia said:

The complete lack of reading comprehension in the hopes of a "gotcha" moment. Clowns

 

Hamas having civilian hostages automatically makes them bad guys. Regardless if Israel isn't innocent either. No mental gymnastics will change that.

You're so infuriating lmfao jesus christ

  

56 minutes ago, Gaia said:

The bad guys here are the ones who took the hostages, not the ones not willing to "negotiate" for their release.

"The bad guys are NOT the ones willing to negotiate for their release" legitimately what you said. Israel is the one negotiating for their release. You LITERALLY, actual definition of the word literally, said that Israel is "not the bad guys."

 

I love how you also fail to mention the children imprisoned by Israel in the West Bank. It's incredibly frustrating to have to share a space with someone who's basically acting like Israel and Palestine had spent the last 75 years living in harmony and peace and on October 7th a bunch of Palestinians decided to found Hamas and kidnap and murder Israel for absolutely no reason. I have asked y'all... what would YOU do if you were them and you have not answered. I have posted about some of the multiple peaceful attempts by Palestine to protest their situation, and you wholly ignored it.

[mons†er]

24 minutes ago, Bloodflowers. said:

 

Oop- I didn't know Cenk could cook like that  I'm speechless 

 

But of course they had to make him look like a crazy angry lunatic in that thumbnail photo, how convinient 

 

 CENK WAS COOKING!! 

and why is everyone afraid to speak on Israel's racism and prejudice? they've been practicing it for YEARS. 

[More Than A Melody]

 

[Gaia]

52 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

It's the way this user has been trying to act like they're neutral and they literally just called Israel "the good guys" right after they topped off 2K murdered children.

It's actually hilarious how absurdly nonexistent the reading comprehension is.

 

The "bag guys" in the context of holding civilian hostages - is Hamas. Which is the post that I originally quoted, in which somehow acting like Hamas having hostages as currency is normal and Israel refusing to negotiate their release of 50 hostages for Fuel makes them the "bad" people in this context.

 

But you're also the one calling Hamas a "resistance" so not surprised?

 

Nowhere did I say Israel were good guys, or don't have a lot more deaths on their hands. This will always go back to my original point, you guys are so bad at making points that you're not changing anyone's opinion. You're just desperate for a gotcha moment which is weird. For likes in this thread or something? Who knows at this point. But the likes/dislikes brigade is funny in itself. 

Edited October 24, 2023 by Gaia

[More Than A Melody]

Just now, Gaia said:

It's actually hilarious how absurdly nonexistent the reading comprehension is.

 

The "bag guys" in the context of holding civilian hostages - is Hamas. Which is the post that I originally quoted, in which somehow acting like Hamas having hostages as currency is normal and Israel refusing to negotiate their release of 50 hostages for Fuel makes them the "bad" people in this context.

 

Nowhere did I say Israel were good guys, or have don't have a lot more deaths on their hands. This will always go back to my original point, you guys are so bad at making points that you're not changing anyone's opinion. You're just desperate for a gotcha moment which is weird. For likes in this thread or something? Who knows at this point. But the likes/dislikes brigade is funny in itself. 

It's 2023 what we're not gonna do is act like the way we word things has no power. "The bad guys are the ones that A not the ones that B" means that B are not the bad guys. In this sentence Israel is B. Stop hiding behind reading comprehension. You could've said "Hamas is bad for having hostages" (legit every hostage has been incredibly complimentary, but that's beside the point). You did not need to say "these are the bad guys not these." You chose to do that. YOUR WORDING was the issue, not the reading comprehension.

 

If five people reacted the exact same way to something you said, perhaps the problem is with what you said and not with those five people.

[mons†er]

2 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

It's 2023 what we're not gonna do is act like the way we word things has no power. "The bad guys are the ones that A not the ones that B" means that B are not the bad guys. In this sentence Israel is B. Stop hiding behind reading comprehension. You could've said "Hamas is bad for having hostages" (legit every hostage has been incredibly complimentary, but that's beside the point). You did not need to say "these are the bad guys not these." You chose to do that. YOUR WORDING was the issue, not the reading comprehension.

 

If five people reacted the exact same way to something you said, perhaps the problem is with what you said and not with those five people.

[HungryByTheBuffet]

"Hamas is a liberation movement, Israel is a terrorist nation"

"Why would they give all their hostages up so easily, why even hang posters?"

"Obama's a war criminal how could he have mentioned Oct 7"

"Oct 7 was done by Mossad, so was 9/11"

"ALL ISRAELIS!" despite the country being the most politically divided it's ever been with riots and protests across the country against current gov and leaders BEFORE the war

sympathy for ALL human lives?! ziOniST!!

 

[HungryByTheBuffet]

8 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

It's 2023 what we're not gonna do is act like the way we word things has no power. "The bad guys are the ones that A not the ones that B" means that B are not the bad guys. In this sentence Israel is B. Stop hiding behind reading comprehension. You could've said "Hamas is bad for having hostages" (legit every hostage has been incredibly complimentary, but that's beside the point). You did not need to say "these are the bad guys not these." You chose to do that. YOUR WORDING was the issue, not the reading comprehension.

 

If five people reacted the exact same way to something you said, perhaps the problem is with what you said and not with those five people.

Where's this accountability for users spreading hateful conspiracies? painting all and any atrocious from Oct 7 as Israeli propaganda?

 

The bad guys are the ones torturing civilians, raping them, burning mothers tied to their children, the way things are done during war matter, the intent behind them matters, that's why the US keeps putting an emphasis on it.

But ig I'm a Zionist since cause I'd agree folk who directly target civilians, woman, and children, are "the bad ones"

[HungryByTheBuffet]

11 hours ago, Redstreak said:

Do any zionists here have an explanation on how this is stopping Hamas?

Do any pro-Hamas on here have an explanation as to how murdering 1000 civilians stops the IDF? seeing as they aren't the ones putting all their bases in civilian buildings, hospitals, etc.

It's sick that Hamas is so tangled with the infrastructure in Gaza and uses the weakest as shields.

Much like they made an example of the weakest Israeli civs, families, kids, drugged up party goers.

 

I wish with all my heart all those young victims in Gaza would have been saved, brought to Israel for treatments, been able to lead an actual life with aspirations away from occupation and Islamic Law, instead of being cannon fodder for Hamas and IDF.

[mons†er]

15 minutes ago, HungryByTheBuffet said:

Where's this accountability for users spreading hateful conspiracies? painting all and any atrocious from Oct 7 as Israeli propaganda?

 

The bad guys are the ones torturing civilians, raping them, burning mothers tied to their children, the way things are done during war matter, the intent behind them matters, that's why the US keeps putting an emphasis on it.

But ig I'm a Zionist since cause I'd agree folk who directly target civilians, woman, and children, are "the bad ones"

the US keeps putting an emphasis on it because they're afraid of being accused of antisemitism. America's track record for aligning with POC and Black people isn't the best. 

the bigger issue here is racism, prejudice and genocide and it has been happening for over 56 years. once again, America doesn't have the best track record when it comes to dismantling racism and supporting the oppressed.

[Communion]

1 hour ago, Gaia said:

Who called Israel the good guy? I swear you guys just take anyone not blindly agreeing with you guys as "pro-Israel"

 

Removing any context of "good" or "bad," no government actively negotiates with terrorists. I simply pointed out that expecting a government to negotiate with terrorists or they "don't care about their people" is false logic. If a negotiation is successful, Hamas will demand more next time. There's a reason that's a generally practiced rule by most governments. You never incentivize terrorism.

 

I mean they can set their own "terms" for hostage release - just that the Israel government isn't obligated to negotiate or settle

Hamas is the operating government of Gaza. You can scream "TERRORISM" all you want but the trading of political prisoners between rival governments is literally a historical thing that even Israel's most powerful allies like America has done. The US literally negotiated the release of political prisoners from Hezbollah 43 years ago. Let alone most European governments *do* rebuke the five eyes stance and often pay ransom for their citizens back. Such language emphasizing how the rhetoric here is entirely dishonest. No ransom is being asked for. These are political prisoners being kept by Hamas no differently than the countless civilians Israel has kept locked up in secret prisons throughout all of this. Israel is risking the lives of said prisoners because it feels it has more to gain and less to lose when the US will unquestionably defend its choices - no matter how irrational - from even other Western nations. Even places like Spain and Ireland have been lost to Israel at this point. 

[State of Grace.]

18 minutes ago, HungryByTheBuffet said:

The bad guys are the ones torturing civilians, raping them, burning mothers tied to their children

18 minutes ago, HungryByTheBuffet said:

I'd agree folk who directly target civilians, woman, and children, are "the bad ones"

 

[HungryByTheBuffet]

Israel & US: delay ground invasion to be able to secure more hostages first

You guys: they clearly don't care about the hostages genocide is their only goal

the so-called genocide: has a blooming population that only grew and never went through a genocide type event

 

We could be talking about actual things that are real like the occupation and the weak constitution Israel had over making life in Gaza better for the young and making sure proper non-extreme education is guaranteed to them while putting resources into the Israeli promotion of Arabs Israelis and Palestinians rights and safety to lead to better co-existing future generations hopefully, but that would have to mean any of you believe Israel has or has ever had the right, reason, to exist, or that the people there now should not be thrown out and "back to where they came from"

[State of Grace.]

9 minutes ago, HungryByTheBuffet said:

Do any pro-Hamas on here have an explanation as to how murdering 1000 civilians stops the IDF? seeing as they aren't the ones putting all their bases in civilian buildings, hospitals, etc.

Do you have an explanation for Israel attacking and killing people in the West Bank? It's sick because you told us that the IOF is only targeting Hamas. 

 

No? Just as I thought. Been repeating this question for days here with 0 answers being presented.

 

[State of Grace.]

There you have it...another mask off (like we needed it!) denying the ongoing genocide because "their population is still growing rapidly so it's fine if Israel is killing thousands of children hehe"

 

 

Miss me with your "I feel sorry for people in Gaza" bs.