news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[Riverbank]

17 minutes ago, HungryByTheBuffet said:

So this thread isn't for information much anymore I guess?

Haven't seen anyone post AP, CNN both sources and their own intelligence, US intelligence, etc etc, confirm he hospital attack wasn't done by Israel.

 

Has the down-vote brigade gotten everyone's tongue? lol

 

Because y'all have gotten accustomed to a way of living without realizing how fragile it is and how history shows that way of living is bound to attacks from the world and is vulnerable, if you guys don't feel it's important to protect the human dignity, rights, etc the western establishment has built slowly over the years I really don't know what to tell you, good luck in the real world if it comes to that.

 

Some of you not understanding the bigger implications of Iran attacking western societies, the bigger picture of Russia, North Korea, etc, tagging along because for them it's anti-west fueled and in particular anti-America and y'all have no issue just jumping along on that.

And they'll love to use this rift in politics and ideology to own benefits.

But you guys truly don't see where it can easily lead and stay in this thread attacking Biden all day for doing everything right, if any of you in this thread actually cared about world stability and security.

It is very hard to navigate through this thread with the all the fighting, name-calling, bickering and the occasional death threat. So if you're looking for updates and news, you're better off trying somewhere else.

[Anthinos]

I have to post this interview that Harari did for a popular german news site. A short but powerful interview especially what he said after 3:00

 

 

 

 

[RihRihGirrrl]

9 minutes ago, Anthinos said:

I have to post this interview that Harari did for a popular german news site. A short but powerful interview especially what he said after 3:00

 

 

 

 

I'm sorry but this is such a completely biased take. He makes mention of violence rising around the world because of countries like Russia trying to expand their boarders and talks about Hamas being evil but never once mentions Isreal's role in all of this. 

[mendesperry]

FREE PALESTINE

[DAP]

Condemning your government for a genocide (or any other violation) doesn’t undermine “protecting the human dignity, rights, etc that establishments” have bestowed (rights that came from conflict/agitation and rights these governments aren’t even protecting which should speak to this implied benevolence). The opposite actually and if you can’t see that, I don’t know what to tell you.

[ClashAndBurn]

Oh no!

 

Anyway…

[Cloröx]

Daily reminder

 

 

[Gaia]

1 hour ago, HungryByTheBuffet said:

So this thread isn't for information much anymore I guess?

It's not and hasn't been for nearly 100 pages. Anything not entirely pro-palastinian (even if its just asking for evidence of a claim) is stated to be "zionist" "genocide supporting" etc. I actually just find it humorous at this point.

 

I mean in the past week we've seen "pro-Palestinians" in this thread:

 

1. Claim "most jews support genocide"

2. State they're "removing all of their Jew friends on social media"

3. Post tweets making fun of John McCain being disabled from being a prisoner of war and dying of brain cancer (and upvoting it)

4. Attack people for posting the "40 beheaded babies" headlines for spreading unconfirmed and unsubstantiated news as propaganda while then going and posting unconfirmed and unsubstantiated news with "Israel bombed a hospital and killed 500+ civilians"

5. Throw out insults and personal attacks everyday from calling people "zionists" for questioning the legitimacy of their posts, calling people "brain dead," etc.

6. Justify the Hamas attack killing more than 1,400 civilians claiming "Israel forced them into that position" after "peaceful protests didn't work" 

7. Calling Hamas a "resistance" instead of a "terrorist group" to try and humanize the terrorist group. Definition of terrorism "the calculated use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective." Hamas is a TERRORIST group. End of story. You can say whatever you want about Israel's government but that wouldn't change the fact that Hamas IS a terrorist group.

8. Completely ignore the fact that Hamas is STILL holding Jewish hostages

9. Blindly follow news posted by AJ as fact when they're owned by the state of Qatar (an Islamic country who couldn't possibly be biased).

10. Also claim that even if their population would despise you, not support you, fight for you, or send you aid as an LGBT member, you shouldn't care.

 

Even if you're very clearly not "Pro-Israel" and don't support the US sending money or weapons to Israel, apparently questioning their extremely biased and radical behavior and posts makes you a zionist!!! a genocide supporter!!!

 

I don't agree with US' involvement, don't agree with Israel's continuing attacks on civilians, and don't agree with the war crimes being conducted by Israel in the name of "war" BUT that still doesn't change the fact that the "pro-palestinian" side specifically in this thread is bordering unhinged and is extremely hypocritical.

Edited October 21, 2023 by Gaia

[Aethereal]

Palestine makes you feel grateful for what you have. I cannot imagine going through that. 

Edited October 21, 2023 by Aristotle

[Riot]

People complaining about getting silenced when their idea of freedom of speech is saying "Palestine would be better as a parking lot" or "if you're gay in Palestine they'll stone you to death" 

[AvadaKedavra]

1 hour ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Still trying to wrap my head around the basic idea that according to most of you ATRL Zionists, Palestinians should basically be kicked out of their homes, sent "elsewhere" to some other Arab country that they have no connection to, or sit down and accept their reality as an oppressed population in an apartheid state, etc. etc., so basically your answer is just for Israel to be free to do whatever they want with them. The people Israel want to kick out of their homes so they can annex Gaza and the West Bank have been there for generations.

 

Yet there's nothing wrong to you guys with "Palestinians are human animals," "there are no innocent civilians in Gaza," and "the Gaza strip will decrease in territory" and other hate filled statements made by the Israeli government? You guys are just blind to the nationalism and war mongering you're sipping on?

 

RACIST. HATEFUL.

 

We can keep on mincing words or trying to argue with you evil motherfuckers, but the mask ain't even on.

Thats defamation sis.  No




Im against all the things the Israeli Goverment is doing (theyre just heartbreakin-inhumane-vile) Any sane human would do. Wish they would stop
Same as all the hamas attacks.  (People apologetic of hamas are sick)
but there's clearly a lot of anti-west propaganda usin this as a scapegoat
and bad intentions coming from russia-iran-china

So many will not speak about those cause they have deep hate from the west and the states cause they were indoctrinated by tankie rethoric and thats like a cult. I studied in a public university with insurgent commie groups and i know what im talkin about
Anything to manipulate the narrative

There's also bad palestinians funding hamas and things like UNWRA.
Good palestinians so so many. I think most of them are just victims. Same with so many israelis 
70% of the people in both nations are good but the rest are evil with bad intentions
 We can see all the colors and takes and find solutions without destroying each other
The good citizens in both nations....the bad citizens....the evil entities behind these wars.....

Wake Up sis



This is defamation and character assassination. Are you ready for my lawyers?
Do you want me to spill about your masks too? Cause i have you identified since some months ago


 

Hope there's a solution to this but sadly looks like there's not
Lets be honest we know the truth.......

The israel goverment will keep moving with fury
Israelis worldwide will be attacked and middle easterns too and is not their fault and will bring chaos and be used as excuse for right wing fascism or left extremist to attack them
Some palestinians will keep backing up hamas with the help of Iran-Russia-Others (As evil as the israeli goverment)
The good palestians wanna leave but theyre desesperate and they dont know what to do...Theyre stuck on there. This is the most painful part of this. The real innocent. Why the innocent pay in this world for the bad ones wrongdoings?
So many celebs are talkin for performative activism and so many very worried
The UN should act too but the UN are puppets from China and will defend hamas 

-Even if Biden and the United States image is tarnished and treated as "Weak" Israel must stop....Putin will have the last laugh but i feel bad for all the innocent ones paying for the bad ones  save them. Find better ways to Secure Israeli  or something, so hamas cant attack anymore.   

-If Israel doesnt have any intentions to stop the carnage.... Humanitarian corridor. Find a way to move the palestians to a different country. Force arab countries or usa-europe to have them.  Some ATRLERs should lend their houses.

Anything to stop the deaths of the innocent.
 

 

Edited October 21, 2023 by AvadaKedavra

[ClashAndBurn]

4 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said:

Thats defamation sis.  No




Im against all the things the Israeli Goverment is doing (theyre just heartbreakin-inhumane-vile) Any sane human would do. Wish they would stop
Same as all the hamas attacks. 
but there's clearly a lot of anti-west propaganda usin this as a scapegoat
and bad intentions coming from russia-iran-china
So many will not speak about those cause they have deep hate from the west and the states cause they were indoctrinated by tankie rethoric
Anything to manipulate the narrative
There's also bad palestinians funding hamas and things like UNWRA.
Good palestinians so so many. I think most of them are just victims. Same with so many israelis 

70% of the people in both nations are good but the rest are evil with bad intentions
 We can see all the colors and takes and find solutions without destroying each other
The good citizens in both nations....the bad guys....the evil entities behind these wars.....

Wake Up sis



This is defamation and character assassination. Are you ready for my lawyers?
Do you want me to spill about your masks too? Cause i have you identified since some months ago


 

Hope there's a solution to this but sadly looks like there's not
Lets be honest we know the truth.......

The israel goverment will keep moving with fury
Israelis worldwide will be attacked and middle easterns too and is not their fault and will bring chaos and be used as excuse for right wing fascism or left extremist to attack them
Some palestinians will keep backing up hamas with the help of Iran-Russia-Others (As evil as the israeli goverment)
The good palestians wanna leave but theyre desesperate and they dont know what to do...Theyre stuck on there. This is the most painful part of this. The real innocent. Why the innocent pay in this world?
So many celebs are talkin for performative activism and so many very worried
The UN should act too but the UN are puppets from China and will defend hamas 

-Even if Biden and the United States image is tarnished and treated as Weak Israel should stop....Putin will laugh but i feel bad for all the innocent ones paying for the bad ones  save them. Secure Israeli Borders or something, so hamas cant attack anymore. 

-If Israel doesnt have any intentions to stop Humanitarian corridor. Find a way to move the palestians to a different country. Force arab countries or usa-europe to have them.  Some ATRLERs should lend their houses. Im totally sure they wouldnt
 

 

Genuinely a whole lot of words to say absolutely nothing but empty platitudes.

 

Your point about the UN being a puppet for China is laughable since they've always been a policy arm of the United States, and get paralyzed via the US veto from even making the mildest criticisms of Israel. Laughable!

 

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-If Israel doesnt have any intentions to stop Humanitarian corridor. Find a way to move the palestians to a different country. Force arab countries or usa-europe to have them. 

You're LITERALLY calling for an ethnic cleansing here, and it isn't "defamation" to say so. Your threat to sue me over an ATRL post is asinine and empty, especially since I wasn't even talking to you to begin with.

[AvadaKedavra]

14 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Genuinely a whole lot of words to say absolutely nothing but empty platitudes.

 

Your point about the UN being a puppet for China is laughable since they've always been a policy arm of the United States, and get paralyzed via the US veto from even making the mildest criticisms of Israel. Laughable!

 

You're LITERALLY calling for an ethnic cleansing here, and it isn't "defamation" to say so. Your threat to sue me over an ATRL post is asinine and empty, especially since I wasn't even talking to you to begin with.

Israel will not stop. Wish they would but looks like they dont. Thats what they say on reddit in geopolitical forums

So, u want them to stay and die there? Anything for the movement and cultural ties?  If escaping is the only way for them to survive. They should

Who cares about ideas or "who's right" when kids are under rubble all burned. Survival first.

if my country falls apart i would look for ways to move even if its very painful to leave everything behind.  

I pray Israel stops with this and just takes a diplomatic approach  



Not suin you. Im just joking but you take everything too serious darling. Knock the anger sis.  Knock it out
Yll dont realize but angry-Tribalistic people is the reason why we are in this war  
you are all as bad as the people youre all critical  if vitriol is an everyday thing
We need less fury and more conversations and understanding and love and learn from each other.  Lets stop with the venom.

Sorry if i came as rude with my critical views. Sorry darlings. Last time i comment here. xO  this thread scares me


 

Edited October 21, 2023 by AvadaKedavra

[HungryByTheBuffet]

  

1 minute ago, AvadaKedavra said:

Yll dont realize but angry-Tribalistic people is the reason why we are in this war  you are all as bad as the people youre all critical 

They'll never understand this as long as they're abiding the same tribalism frame of mind that makes them think one side should just not exist, get annexed, etc, and the other allowed to live, it's simply blinded bias toward a whole nation, we've seen it happen with Russians too.

Israelis are not their gov, Jews are not Israelis, etc etc

some people just want to live their life peacefully but me thinks these might not the individuals most often in this thread... seems just to want one side to win and kill as long as it's the "right" side.

 

  

12 hours ago, Communion said:

Sis, I hope you know this phrasing comes off as hysterical dog whistling when posted by someone who defended Israel being an apartheid state by saying "[their] family's recollection back in South Africa of what they saw done to black South Africans was waaaaay worse than how  Palestinians get treated by Israel so I *KNOW* Israel isn't doing apartheid"  

 

Like you've explicitly referenced the experience of leaving South Africa *for* Israel in your defenses of Israeli apartheid despite the awkwardness of such meaning you not only benefitted from South African apartheid but now use such alleged perspective to downplay how Israelis benefit from the continued exploitation and suffering of Palestinians. 

 

Were Western values found in Sun City? Are Western values found in the settlements built on stolen homes in Sheik Jarrah?

What is this flop attempt at making a point, lowkey doxxing me? you know nothing about me or my family's situation.

The whole reason for there being Jews in South Africa was because they it was one of the places they could escape to during the Holocaust.

 

This whole thread if anything just proves how much the state of Israel is still needed in the world today, as much as I hate religion and by proxy religion-based states, there's no doubt Jews RACIALLY need a safe haven in this upcoming climate.

Hopefully the state of Israel can cut ties with religion entirely someday and be a "Jewish" state the same way America is a "Christian" state.

[Redstreak]

11 hours ago, Harrier said:

Portarying what is going on as equivalent to the Holocaust is counterproductive and will just offend moderate or left leaning Jews that might be sympathetic to Palestine/ceasefire

There is no modern parallell to the deliberate, systematic slaughter of 6 million civillians in 3-4 years

 

I do agree with the use of the term genocide however given the ethnic cleansing of Gaza (especially if Gazans are not allowed to return)

Netanyahu called the Palestinian people children of darkness and aligned with the law of the jungle. One of his officials tweeted a picture of their enemy as a cockroach, you can downplay a genocide but the Hitler particles coming from the side with bloodlust over Palestinian deaths isn’t really that far fetched, what should really upset moderates is their tax payers going to fund it

[HungryByTheBuffet]

49 minutes ago, Gaia said:

It's not and hasn't been for nearly 100 pages. Anything not entirely pro-palastinian (even if its just asking for evidence of a claim) is stated to be "zionist" "genocide supporting" etc. I actually just find it humorous at this point.

 

I mean in the past week we've seen "pro-Palestinians" in this thread:

 

1. Claim "most jews support genocide"

2. State they're "removing all of their Jew friends on social media"

3. Post tweets making fun of John McCain being disabled from being a prisoner of war and dying of brain cancer (and upvoting it)

4. Attack people for posting the "40 beheaded babies" headlines for spreading unconfirmed and unsubstantiated news as propaganda while then going and posting unconfirmed and unsubstantiated news with "Israel bombed a hospital and killed 500+ civilians"

5. Throw out insults and personal attacks everyday from calling people "zionists" for questioning the legitimacy of their posts, calling people "brain dead," etc.

6. Justify the Hamas attack killing more than 1,400 civilians claiming "Israel forced them into that position" after "peaceful protests didn't work" 

7. Calling Hamas a "resistance" instead of a "terrorist group" to try and humanize the terrorist group. Definition of terrorism "the calculated use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective." Hamas is a TERRORIST group. End of story. You can say whatever you want about Israel's government but that wouldn't change the fact that Hamas IS a terrorist group.

8. Completely ignore the fact that Hamas is STILL holding Jewish hostages

9. Blindly follow news posted by AJ as fact when they're owned by the state of Qatar (an Islamic country who couldn't possibly be biased).

10. Also claim that even if their population would despise you, not support you, fight for you, or send you aid as an LGBT member, you shouldn't care.

 

Even if you're very clearly not "Pro-Israel" and don't support the US sending money or weapons to Israel, apparently questioning their extremely biased and radical behavior and posts makes you a zionist!!! a genocide supporter!!!

 

I don't agree with US' involvement, don't agree with Israel's continuing attacks on civilians, and don't agree with the war crimes being conducted by Israel in the name of "war" BUT that still doesn't change the fact that the "pro-palestinian" side specifically in this thread is bordering unhinged and is extremely hypocritical.

More for this list

1. Tiktoks claiming Mossad did 9/11 and is responsible for terrorism in the West generally to "scare" others of Islam

2. Claims "Zionists" control all media so there is no point believing ANY western media anymore

3. STILL believing fake news that have been debunked by all reputable news media sources

4. Constant tying of all these together as one: "Israelis" "Jews" "Zionists" "pro-genocide" usually not being in the extreme of one point of view is enough to get labeled as one of those.

5. Literally digging up information about users from old threads to be able to use personal details about them while arguing.

 

all these get upvoted to hell also

Edited October 21, 2023 by HungryByTheBuffet

[Redstreak]

2 hours ago, HungryByTheBuffet said:

So this thread isn't for information much anymore I guess?

Haven't seen anyone post AP, CNN both sources and their own intelligence, US intelligence, etc etc, confirm he hospital attack wasn't done by Israel.

 

Has the down-vote brigade gotten everyone's tongue? lol

 

Because y'all have gotten accustomed to a way of living without realizing how fragile it is and how history shows that way of living is bound to attacks from the world and is vulnerable, if you guys don't feel it's important to protect the human dignity, rights, etc the western establishment has built slowly over the years I really don't know what to tell you, good luck in the real world if it comes to that.

 

Some of you not understanding the bigger implications of Iran attacking western societies, the bigger picture of Russia, North Korea, etc, tagging along because for them it's anti-west fueled and in particular anti-America and y'all have no issue just jumping along on that.

And they'll love to use this rift in politics and ideology to own benefits.

But you guys truly don't see where it can easily lead and stay in this thread attacking Biden all day for doing everything right, if any of you in this thread actually cared about world stability and security.

“No you don’t understand we had to go into Iraq, the US intelligence confirmed through and through that they have weapons of mass destruction”

[AvadaKedavra]

16 minutes ago, HungryByTheBuffet said:

  

They'll never understand this as long as they're abiding the same tribalism frame of mind that makes them think one side should just not exist, get annexed, etc, and the other allowed to live, it's simply blinded bias toward a whole nation, we've seen it happen with Russians too.

Israelis are not their gov, Jews are not Israelis, etc etc

some people just want to live their life peacefully but me thinks these might not the individuals most often in this thread... seems just to want one side to win and kill as long as it's the "right" side.

 

  

What is this flop attempt at making a point, lowkey doxxing me? you know nothing about me or my family's situation.

The whole reason for there being Jews in South Africa was because they it was one of the places they could escape to during the Holocaust.

 

This whole thread if anything just proves how much the state of Israel is still needed in the world today, as much as I hate religion and by proxy religion-based states, there's no doubt Jews RACIALLY need a safe haven in this upcoming climate.

Hopefully the state of Israel can cut ties with religion entirely someday and be a "Jewish" state the same way America is a "Christian" state.

For our mental health maybe is better to leave this thread for today sis lol. At the end mods will decide the shape of the civics section 
i trust in our mods
Lets just pray or send good energy or give money-help to the people in those countries suffering for the bad ones. The innocents involved in this war.

i also hope all the middle eastern-jew people in Northamerica or Europe are safe from both sides. Cause things are gettin worse for them. Its time to protect them

these conversations about palestine-israel are bringin too much tension worldwide. 

Even here in my latino country with almost no connection to MIDDLE EAST this has brought huge division among people and fights 

i dont think some of the members here have a bad heart  but political-religious things sometimes get the worst of the people........
Those are battlefields and  sooner or later it affects your mental or physical health with all that dopamine and hormone release and u just turn into a tiger 

Hugs. Lemme follow you    



 

Edited October 21, 2023 by AvadaKedavra

[Cloröx]

We will ensure that Zionist won't win this propaganda war. They really think by cutting off Gaza from outside word will hide their war crime. I'm glad so many people start seeing the real truth 

 

 

[Cloröx]

Israel's reputation in shamble right now 

 

 

[Peroxide]

It’s encouraging that so many young people aren’t falling for the propaganda… makes me feel a tiny bit hopeful.

 

I live in the U.K. and there were loads of protests today… all of them calling for a ceasefire. People are very upset over this and rightfully f*cking so.

Edited October 22, 2023 by Peroxide

[fememeist]

33 minutes ago, HungryByTheBuffet said:

This whole thread if anything just proves how much the state of Israel is still needed in the world today, as much as I hate religion and by proxy religion-based states, there's no doubt Jews RACIALLY need a safe haven in this upcoming climate.

Hopefully the state of Israel can cut ties with religion entirely someday and be a "Jewish" state the same way America is a "Christian" state.

Yes because the state of Israel is much needed for your agenda genocide thank you for making that clear

[sunbathinganimal]

Biggest turnout for a protest in my city I’ve ever seen today ❤️🇵🇸

[Cloröx]

Free healthcare, homeless, unemployment etc. but here we are

 

 

[Communion]

4 hours ago, HungryByTheBuffet said:

Still trying to wrap my head around the basic idea that according to most of you guys Israelis should basically be kicked out of their homes

...do you mean homes built in the West Bank? If you support a two state solution, that includes giving back stolen land that even the UN agrees belongs to the Palestinian people. Are you claiming people support total expulsion of Israelis? That Zionists take Palestinian liberation and the end of apartheid to mean expulsion - even when polling amongst Palestinians shows little hunger for such - is extremely insidious.

 

That is the kind of word game that Israeli ethnocentrists do to garner support. You say:

 

"Our position is not radical! We just acknowledge that Israel has a right to exist*!"

*- "If Israel does not cover land we consider our religious homeland and allows for continued expansion and is not allowed to artificially always be 51% Jewish, then it is NOT Israel cause Israel must be an explicitly Jewish state!"

 

When people hear a country has the right to exist, they don't assume such also means their country has a right to exist as a theocratic ethno-state with expanding borders. Why demand an Israel where ethnic supremacy and fundamentalism is law? Why does a secular and actually democratic Israel that allows for co-existence not have any appeal?

 

4 hours ago, HungryByTheBuffet said:

Yeah yeah I've heard all about it, CNN are liars, AP basically the most highly regarded publication - liars! add all of western media on top of that, Biden is a liar, US intelligence? liars, Israelis liars of course, anyone I forgot?

 

I guess the only ones giving the truth out there is Al Jazeera with its direct links to Hamas? or random tweets off the internet?

 

Great vetted information you all live off of.

The BBC and Channel 4 are funded by Saudi Arabia now? Huh? When Western outlets don't support your conclusions, you just write them off?  Sundown on Sun City, indeed.

Edited October 21, 2023 by Communion