Le Grande Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Was reading one of Croatia's biggest news outlets about the bombing and I was actually surprised how their bias changed against Israel in a span of a week. They wrote something in the vein of "Hamas said that Israel did it and they had not changed their viewpoint, meanwhile, we are bringing you now the 8th version coming from Israel in the last 24 hours. It's tough to pick a side." Nice to see this tbh. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Both Sides Now Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 We can all throw sh*t about the worst of the “pro-“ or “anti-“ side. A 6 year old Palestinian-American boy was murdered by a “pro-Israel” white man ffs. Devolving into “you can’t criticise Israel because some people are Nazis” is plainly intellectually dishonest. You can be against apartheid and against anti-Semitism. Educate yourself on Jewish anti-apartheid activists like Denis Goldberg. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Capris Groove Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Biden embarrassing himself and the US voting against the UNO proposal to make humanitarian pauses to bring aid to Palestinian civilians. In foreign policy, Democrats and Republicans are exactly the same. 15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post More Than A Melody Posted October 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Gaia said: Where did that happen in this thread? I'm talking about YOUR hypocritical behavior, not some generalized BS you typed out. This is exactly why there's no anti-Israel rally going on from the people you guys are asking it to come from. You guys are so ineffective at making any points, come across as extremely hypocritical, condescending, and biased. You come across as so insufferable that you're not changing any person's mind who isn't already pro-Palestinian. And mixing up ISIS and ALQ is really a non-issue but go off with that being the only thing you can keep mentioning. What I've gathered from this thread is you guys are just as susceptible to "propaganda" and spread misinformation the exact same way so to take your words with a grain of salt. You post any tweet you find without fact checking it first. The past 24 hours in this thread i've seen a lot of misinformation and antisemitism guised under "free Palestine" But that's fine for you guys apparently. "40 beheaded Israeli babies" was pedaled alongside video of an alleged kidnapped girl who was brutally tortured and raped, both things were spoken about globally by world leaders and the media, including Joe Biden CONFIRMING having seen pictorial proof. This was used to stoke the fires of public opinion in favor of Israel "defending itself" and painting "the other side" (with no distinction between Hamas and Palestinians for DAYS) as animals and monsters. Both things were quietly debunked and millions of people still believe they happened. Israel then proceeded to bomb civilians for a week straight, murdering upwards of a thousand children, and the world cheered on. Israel officials have made distinctions between "children of light" and "children of darkness", have bombed houses, schools, hospitals (nine, not including the one last night), cut off the water and electricity supply in Gaza, and blockaded humanitarian aid. Israel has committed literal war crimes. Last night, a hospital they signaled for evacuation, was bombed, and children died. Israel officials claimed the incident for themselves, then saw the public outrage and backtracked. They have so far claimed that it was a failed rocket by Hamas and the Islamic Jihad. In the meantime, they tweeted a video with a timestamp that debunked their claims, then edited the video out, then they released a hilariously fake wiretapped "conversation" between "Hamas members" where their accents are off, they're talking via a communication device that Hamas doesn't use, the words sound scripted, they're giving information Hamas would use codes for, and to top it off, it's recorded in stereo, which can't be done. They can't decide who did this, still, and their proof is laughably bad. They had Biden on record claiming it was "the other side" (because they can't even decide what part of "the other side" they want to blame, they're this close to saying "idk some Muslim"). The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, every single journalist on BBC and CNN, etc, etc, etc, have all loudly said that Israel hasn't done it, even though THEY ADMITTED THEY DID IMMEDIATELY AFTER IT HAPPENED and you're focused on if 200 or 400 people died? And you somehow think you have a moral highground, and because not every user is typing long ass essays like me explaining to this level of detail why focusing on that is f*cking ridiculous, you think you did something and your comparison makes a lick of sense? WHAT DO Y'ALL GET FROM THIS? Or are you seriously just racist? Like, I really want to understand what would motivate random gays in the West to defend Israel to this degree. Especially while simultaneously acting like you're neutral. 1 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethereal Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) Is the military ground invasion going to increase the deaths of Palestinians? Will Israel at least stop shooting airstrikes by then? Edited October 18, 2023 by Aristotle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermillion Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffy Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 American news keeps saying Hamas misfired a rocket into the hospital parking lot but the hospital is still intact. Neither Hamas or Israel is taking ownership for it. I don’t know what to believe. The information coming from both sides is so confusing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kawk Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Capris Groove said: Biden embarrassing himself and the US voting against the UNO proposal to make humanitarian pauses to bring aid to Palestinian civilians. In foreign policy, Democrats and Republicans are exactly the same. these resolutions are BS anyway and their highly ineffective. Biden literally just did it without them and blocked these countries of any credit they were hoping to receive if these politically driven useless resolutions were to pass. Edited October 18, 2023 by kawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illia Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Aristotle said: Will the military ground invasion going to increase the deaths of Palestinians? Of course it will, do you think IDF will just let them peacefully exist especially after HAMAS actions? It's going to get very, VERY dark, even darker than now 13 minutes ago, Aristotle said: Will Israel at least stop shotting airstrikes by then? They can do both at the same time to increase the efficiency Edited October 18, 2023 by Flomik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nova_23 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 hour ago, chhalamars said: I just want to say that the left has exposed itself as antisemitic and apologists of terror groups. I want nothing to do with it. Enough. You know what you’re actually right. The left (dems and left leaning governments) has grouped Jewish people with Israeli’s and are now telling anyone who condemns Israeli’s that their anti-semitic but I don’t know about you but lumping a whole group of people together and associating them with the actions of a country seems kinda racist to me. Also supporting the IDF, a group currently terrorizing Palestinians, is wild you’re right. I can’t believe they’re doing this and you’re right I refuse to support Biden and co after this. But wait were you talking about left leaning people who are rightfully calling out others for calling them anti semitic for criticizing Israel because shocking we don’t group Jewish people with the state of Israel and not standing for a genocide? Can you clarify which stance you’re talking about? *sarcasm* 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Than A Melody Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, Flomik said: Of course it will, do you think IDF will just let them peacefully exist especially after HAMAS actions? It's going to get very, VERY dark, even darker than now They can do both at the same time to increase the efficiency Hamas actions are not the reason Israel is carpet bombing Gaza. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chemist Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 What the actual fvk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethereal Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, Flomik said: Of course it will, do you think IDF will just let them peacefully exist especially after HAMAS actions? It's going to get very, VERY dark, even darker than now They can do both at the same time to increase the efficiency If they do both at the same time it will definitively increase the deaths of Palestinians. I believe the death toll by airstrikes is bigger than the military. So if they stop dropping airstrike during the ground invasion maybe the death toll will not increase in the same route as the past days, especially of children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chemist Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 And there it is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illia Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said: Hamas actions are not the reason Israel is carpet bombing Gaza. You're also correct. The truth is that after terrorizing Palestinians for decades, a lot of them don't really care who's HAMAS and who's not anymore, and the recent actions is just an excuse for a massacre that is going to happen if the ground invasion happens. Edited October 18, 2023 by Flomik 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nooniebao Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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More Than A Melody Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Flomik said: You're also correct. The truth is that after terrorizing Palestinians for decades, a lot of them don't really care who's HAMAS and who's not anymore, and the recent actions is just an excuse for a massacre that is going to happen if the ground invasion happens. Yes. "Excuse" is the correct word. The massacre has just started. I do think they allowed the Hamas attack to have an excuse to flatten Gaza, and the West will simply allow it. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byzantium Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 On 10/9/2023 at 6:23 PM, Rebel Lion said: They paid billions to Palestine through Iran "in exchange for prisoners. Please cite your source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HungryByTheBuffet Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Bloo said: This never happened. The Left was able to acknowledge the attack by Hamas on Israel and its brutality while also highlighting that this is the result of an oppressive occupation which has disproportionally harmed Palestinians. Is this the same "left" that is already denying rape of women and murder of babies in this very page? you're right about one thing, the left has nothing to do with, there are equal amounts of pro-Hamas/fans of Israelis getting murdered both on the extreme left and the extreme right, it's why this stance is already being compared with QAnon and the likes, since it's mostly based on conspiracies such as "the videos and photos are A.I generated" "The US president is lying alongside Israel" "The eyewitness are lying" etc etc while basing their actual opinions on tweets with no sources. Anyway, on another note, not surprised to see the many innocent Palestinian civilians who died just yesterday in that hospital not mourned anymore the second it was confirmed Israel did not cause it, ig it's all about who did what for you guys rather than actual human lives, but it's a fun and good time talking about things you'll never have to live through while innocent are dying. 3 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunbathinganimal Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 10 minutes ago, nooniebao said: they're both going to hell (not that they weren't already) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RihRihGirrrl Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 10 minutes ago, nooniebao said: Ugh!! He's quite literally the most spineless and dangerous Netanyahu enabler we've had as a President thus far! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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