futurenostalgic Posted October 30, 2023 Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) Edited October 30, 2023 by futurenostalgic 1
Popular Post More Than A Melody Posted October 30, 2023 Popular Post Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, CottageHore said: This might be a stupid af question but would anybody be able to summarize in simple terms what is going on with Palestine/Israel and how this relates to Free Palestine. I genuinely want to understand but every time I do my research, I don’t quite get what’s happening or where it all started. Summarize in simple terms? I can try. In SHORT terms? No. I'll try bullet points for clarity. The land in question is considered "Holy Land" by both Muslims and Jews (according to Jew/Christian belief, Muslims descend from the prophet Abraham's first son Ishmael and Jews from his second son Isaac). This is like, legit thousands of years ago. According to Jewish belief, the land where Israel is settled today (and other surrounding areas) was their "Promised Land" which belonged to them and only them. Jews suffered multiple exiles from the area over the course of thousands of years, which is why most Jews, were settled in Europe. Jews have been victims of persecution pretty much since the inception of time. In the late 1800s a Jewish activist called Theodor Herzl started the Zionist movement, according to which, Jews would create a homeland in their Holy Land. antisemitic rhetoric had always been somewhat prevalent, so Herzl believed that the only way to avoid it was to create a Jewish state. Of course, Herzl and adopters of this movement, thoroughly ignored that said "Holy Land" was already occupied. The territory belonged to the Ottoman Empire, and was informally (but pretty much officially) called Palestine. More than half a million Arabs lived there. In the following years (late 1800s - early 1900s) Jews started to emigrate to Palestine to escape the rise of antisemitism. By the 1920s, the population of Palestine was of 757K, of which 600K were Muslim, 85K Jewish, 75K Christian. World War I saw the Ottoman Empire join forces with the Central Powers (Germany, Austria-Hungary, Bulgaria), and were defeated by the Allied Forces (France, UK, US, etc). The Ottoman Empire is dissolved once they're defeated and France and the UK split its territory, with France taking Syria and the UK taking Palestine. This is known as the British Mandate, in 1922 (also the French Mandate, but it's irrelevant here). In 1917 the UK had signed the Balfour Declaration, which was a show of support to the Zionist movement in terms of establishing a homeland in Palestine. Reminder that at this point 80% of the population of Palestine was Muslim, 11% was Jewish. Over the course of the following two decades, Palestinians (non-Jewish) rioted and revolted multiple times. All the while Jewish people continued to emigrate to Palestine. Antisemitic rhetoric was reaching a fever high... idk if you recognize the date but it's time for _*-*_ HITLER _*-*_. After World War II, the UK was like "right, yeah, about that British Mandate, I don't want it anymore" and handed the issue to the UN. The UN partitioned the land 56% for Israel, 44% for Palestine, with Jerusalem being under international control, despite the fact that non-Jewish Palestinians were a vast majority. Israel was like "yes!" and Arabs were like "uh, no?" Cue, conflict. The resolution by the UN was declared in late November 1947. Ten days prior, a paramilitary Zionist organization killed multiple members of an Arab family, which resulted in the Arab side retaliating by killing multiple Jews, which morphed into a full blown civil war, which escalated to a full blown Arab-Jewish war by May 15 1948, when Israel was officially declared a state. This is probably the hardest part to explain in simple terms because of all the moving parts, but it essentially resulted in what's called Nakba (which means "catastrophe"), where with horrible attacks, Israel expelled 700K+ Arabs from the land. Civilians, obviously. This is something Mohamed Hadid (Gigi and Bella's dad) has touched on, because it happened to him. His parents had taken a Jewish family after World War II because they had nowhere to live, when his mom was pregnant with him, she went to his grandmother's house to give birth and when she came back, the Jewish family which was taking refuge in her house had taken over, and they refused to even give her a blanket for the baby. His family was forced into exile with just the clothes on their backs. This entire thing resulted in Israel occupying more land than it was originally given. In 1967 Israel preemptively launched an attack by air and ground on Egypt (which at this point was occupying Gaza). This is also incredibly long, just know that it wound up with Israel capturing 78% of the land, further separating Palestinian territory into two sections Gaza and the West Bank. This is the map that you've probably seen floating around. Green is Palestine, white is Israel, the large portion on the right is the West Bank and the other tiny piece of green land is Gaza Through this all Palestine is stateless. It has been occupied by Jordan and Egypt. Israel occupied Gaza when they defeated Egypt, they "left" Gaza in 2005, but to this day control everything that goes in and out. They don't allow Palestinians to build an airport or a port, Palestinians can't create water pumps, Israel adopted the tactic of "putting Palestinians on a diet" which means calorie counting how much food per person they allow in, in order to control population growth and development. They also routinely bomb areas of Gaza in an action they call "mowing the lawn" (it's a form of psychological control and torture). Most of Gaza is unemployed, there are literally no jobs. 64% of the population is under 23, with around 50% being under 18. This is because life expectancy in Gaza is around 74, while life expectancy in Israel is around 85. Israel doesn't allow fishermen to fish deeper than 6 miles off shore. I could go on. In West Bank, you can see that the 1967 and 1920 maps are significantly different, that's because Israel occupies the West Bank, and over the course of the years allowed (encouraged) settlers to isolate and separate the West Bank in multiple enclaves, which you can see in the pic. They offer cheaper taxes or services to settlers that take Palestinian houses, you might've seen videos of New York native "Israelis" admittedly stealing Palestinian houses. That's because multiple Israeli companies claim ownership of Palestinian homes and sell them to foreign Jews for dirt cheap, and Palestinians don't have legal recourse, they're just forced to leave. There are multiple (around 500?) military check points controlled by the IDF in the West Bank. There are streets Palestinian people aren't allowed to walk on, and if they do they're apprehended. Because some Palestinian people had houses that opened to those streets, the IDF welded their doors together. Palestinians are forced to leave their houses (to go to school, work, do groceries) via ladders through their windows. Speaking of the IDF, it stands for Israeli Defense Forces. Conscription is literally mandatory for all Israeli citizens for about 2/3 years. Yes, even women (that's why Gal Gadot served in the IDF, for instance). You may also see the IDF referred to as IOF, aka, Israeli Occupying Forces. Israel's military is considered one of the best in the world, and is heavily funded by the US. The US finds it of upmost importance to have an ally (and a glorified military base) in the Middle East. That's why Biden is giving them carte blanche to genocide, and that's why Biden (multiple times) famously said, "If Israel didn't exist we'd have to invent it." Anyway, another FUN aspect of Palestinian lives is how there's four kinds of Palestinian citizens in the region (each with a different identifying ID card), and all of them are "inferior" to Israel citizens. The "lowest" residents are those who reside in Gaza. They're not allowed to enter Israel proper or the West Bank or Jerusalem. If they leave Gaza they can't return. Then there's the West Bank residents. They're not allowed to enter Israel proper or Jerusalem. If they leave the West Bank they can't return. They can move to Gaza if they so desire, but then they can't come back. Then there's the Jerusalem residents. If they leave Jerusalem they can't return. They can move to the West Bank or Gaza, but they can't come back. Then there's the Israeli Palestinian residents. They're free to move through all of the territory but if they leave Israel proper they can't come back. The first three kinds of Palestinians can't vote in Israeli elections or present themselves as candidates. The Israeli Palestinian residents can vote, but they can't platform liberation campaigns or anything that would benefit Palestine or the creation of a state of Palestine. So, basically, an empty vote. Israel has it in written law that Jerusalem has to have a certain percentage of Jewish population (I believe it's 64%), it's also an unwritten law that Israel has to have a majority Jewish population, which is why they're called an "ethnostate" While Netanyahu's approval ratings are in the pits, the IDF has an overwhelmingly positive image. Israel is a non-democracy. There are laws that prohibit the discussion of Nakba, if a Jewish Israeli marries a non-Jew they can't live together and the marriage isn't recognized by the state. They also don't pass on Israeli citizenship to their partners. Israelis are incredibly indoctrinated into despising Palestinians, and most of the population does. Something I didn't mention before is that Israel was created with the goal to imitate European countries and separate themselves from the rest of the Middle East. Israel is a DEEPLY racist country. Its leaders routinely refer to Palestinians as "animals" and "children of darkness." They use Bible quotes to justify genocide, very outwardly. Multiple polls over the years show that most Israeli citizens are in favor of carpet bombing Gaza, or annexing Gaza after committing genocide (killing all Palestinians) or ethnic cleansing (expelling all Palestinians). Another important thing to add is that all Jews, everywhere in the world, have what Israel calls "a birthright" which means each year between 40 and 25K Jewish young adults (ages 18 to 26) are given a free trip to Israel (which can range from a few days to a few weeks). A Jewish person can move to Israel at any given moment and get automatic citizenship, and they'll get a cut on taxes and other cost if they move to Israel (and like I said, they also can get houses for dirt cheap). As I said before, once a Palestinian leaves, they're not allowed to come back... I think the last thing I can explain without delving into very long-winded details is that Gaza is controlled by Hamas. Hamas was an Islamic social group funded in 1987. Over the years it became more violent and resistant to Israel mistreatment of Palestinian citizens and in turn Israel has used that as a tool for victimization, equating them to ISIS and using them as an excuse for... all of their atrocities. It's important to recognize that Hamas was funded (not founded, funded) by the Israeli government because they wanted to divide the Palestinian people who were mostly in favor of a secular government called Fatah. Hamas won the last election in Gaza in 2006 by a small minority (and it was funded by Israel back then, which multiple former Israeli politicians have admitted on the record). They created a whole maze of tunnels under Gaza and routinely resist against Israel. October 7 was an attack by Hamas which took multiple hostages and killed multiple Israeli civilians. It was in retaliation to not only the constant mistreatment of Israeli to Palestinian people, but also their recurrent attacks on Mosques on Ramadan and other assorted attacks from Israel. Ever since then, Israel is using the hostages and the civilian casualties as an excuse to "hunt Hamas" and "exterminate it." Because they move mostly through tunnels, they claim that Hamas uses civilians as human shields and they're hiding below hospitals, mosques, schools, etc, in order to carpet bomb the f*ck out of the territory. As of today, Israel has killed 8,000 civilians in Gaza (it has a population of around 2 million). Israel has also killed multiple Palestinians in the West Bank, despite the fact that Hamas does NOT control that territory. Hamas has offered to hand the hostages in exchange for a ceasefire, Israel refused, in exchange for Israel freeing Palestinian prisoners (Israel has thousands of Palestinian prisoners, a good chunk of them children, most of them for absolutely no reason), Israel refused. They offered hostages in exchange for fuel and the entrance of aid, Israel refused. Since Israel controls Gaza's supply of electricity, water, internet, food, etc, they have cut off all of it, blanking out Gaza in the process. They've told Gaza residents to move south, but then bombed the routes they marked as safe, and then bombed the south of Gaza. It has murdered 20 something journalists and the families of a few of them (which they admit they did on purpose). They've apparently murdered about 50 hostages. I honestly don't know what else to add. If I forgot anything, someone else add it. Edited October 30, 2023 by More Than A Melody 12 14 1
FOCK Posted October 30, 2023 Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) Viewer warning advised, if not allowed to post here will delete. Spoiler I’m so over this world. On top of all this horror, no fuel, no food, no water, no electricity, coming up to 3 weeks & the threat of bombing health facilities. What is there to even say anymore. Edited October 30, 2023 by FOCK 2
rihannafan Posted October 30, 2023 Posted October 30, 2023 @More Than A Melodygood summary, I'd say it's only missing all the atrocities committed towards Lebanon and Syria since they're directly correlated but I understand why you didn't mention them. 5
FOCK Posted October 30, 2023 Posted October 30, 2023 Quote They also pull out the Black Jews brigade to score some brownie points with BIPOC They’re failing so bad, I’ve got BIPOC & white leftie women on TikTok starting Quran bookclubs because they’re so impressed with Palestinian’s faith through all this and even some (arguably, rightfully) claiming they feel they’d be treated worse off by Israeli settlers & the IDF than Hamas. They can’t appeal to humanity because those supporting this have demonstrated they lack theirs. 4
Cloröx Posted October 30, 2023 Posted October 30, 2023 Innocent civilians are desperate for food but some idiots genocide supporters believe that Hamas is the one that stealing the food.
Delly Posted October 30, 2023 Posted October 30, 2023 New Zionist propaganda debuted: Baby in the Oven The only problem? They straight out stole this story about a Palestinian baby killed in the Deir Yassin massacre. This is like the nth example I've seen about Zionists stealing Palestinian tragedies, switching themselves in the victim roles for their disgusting propaganda. I can't imagine how sickening it is that the atrocities committed against you are being used and twisted by the perpetrators to justify their cold-blooded genocide of your own people and this is the reality Palestinian have to face up with for 75 years. Remember to set the record straight every time you come across a ZioNazi trying to guilt you with this made-up "Hamas is barbaric savages" bullsh*t.
naomi24 Posted October 30, 2023 Posted October 30, 2023 4 hours ago, DAP said: And do these include the Ethiopian Jews the Israeli state forcibly sterilized and African immigrants that Netanyahu claimed “threatened our existence as a Jewish and democratic state” by chance? Do people know they rewrote the story of their "national hero" Yoni Netanhayu aka Bibi Netanhayu's brother (who was most probably accidentally killed by an African soldier) ... because somehow death by a black person's hands would sound less "glorious".
naomi24 Posted October 30, 2023 Posted October 30, 2023 2 hours ago, More Than A Melody said: Summarize in simple terms? I can try. In SHORT terms? No. I'll try bullet points for clarity. The land in question is considered "Holy Land" by both Muslims and Jews (according to Jew/Christian belief, Muslims descend from the prophet Abraham's first son Ishmael and Jews from his second son Isaac). This is like, legit thousands of years ago. According to Jewish belief, the land where Israel is settled today (and other surrounding areas) was their "Promised Land" which belonged to them and only them. Jews suffered multiple exiles from the area over the course of thousands of years, which is why most Jews, were settled in Europe. Jews have been victims of persecution pretty much since the inception of time. In the late 1800s a Jewish activist called Theodor Herzl started the Zionist movement, according to which, Jews would create a homeland in their Holy Land. antisemitic rhetoric had always been somewhat prevalent, so Herzl believed that the only way to avoid it was to create a Jewish state. Of course, Herzl and adopters of this movement, thoroughly ignored that said "Holy Land" was already occupied. The territory belonged to the Ottoman Empire, and was informally (but pretty much officially) called Palestine. More than half a million Arabs lived there. In the following years (late 1800s - early 1900s) Jews started to emigrate to Palestine to escape the rise of antisemitism. By the 1920s, the population of Palestine was of 757K, of which 600K were Muslim, 85K Jewish, 75K Christian. World War I saw the Ottoman Empire join forces with the Central Powers (Germany, Austria-Hungary, Bulgaria), and were defeated by the Allied Forces (France, UK, US, etc). The Ottoman Empire is dissolved once they're defeated and France and the UK split its territory, with France taking Syria and the UK taking Palestine. This is known as the British Mandate, in 1922 (also the French Mandate, but it's irrelevant here). In 1917 the UK had signed the Balfour Declaration, which was a show of support to the Zionist movement in terms of establishing a homeland in Palestine. Reminder that at this point 80% of the population of Palestine was Muslim, 11% was Jewish. Over the course of the following two decades, Palestinians (non-Jewish) rioted and revolted multiple times. All the while Jewish people continued to emigrate to Palestine. Antisemitic rhetoric was reaching a fever high... idk if you recognize the date but it's time for _*-*_ HITLER _*-*_. After World War II, the UK was like "right, yeah, about that British Mandate, I don't want it anymore" and handed the issue to the UN. The UN partitioned the land 56% for Israel, 44% for Palestine, with Jerusalem being under international control, despite the fact that non-Jewish Palestinians were a vast majority. Israel was like "yes!" and Arabs were like "uh, no?" Cue, conflict. The resolution by the UN was declared in late November 1947. Ten days prior, a paramilitary Zionist organization killed multiple members of an Arab family, which resulted in the Arab side retaliating by killing multiple Jews, which morphed into a full blown civil war, which escalated to a full blown Arab-Jewish war by May 15 1948, when Israel was officially declared a state. This is probably the hardest part to explain in simple terms because of all the moving parts, but it essentially resulted in what's called Nakba (which means "catastrophe"), where with horrible attacks, Israel expelled 700K+ Arabs from the land. Civilians, obviously. This is something Mohamed Hadid (Gigi and Bella's dad) has touched on, because it happened to him. His parents had taken a Jewish family after World War II because they had nowhere to live, when his mom was pregnant with him, she went to his grandmother's house to give birth and when she came back, the Jewish family which was taking refuge in her house had taken over, and they refused to even give her a blanket for the baby. His family was forced into exile with just the clothes on their backs. This entire thing resulted in Israel occupying more land than it was originally given. In 1967 Israel preemptively launched an attack by air and ground on Egypt (which at this point was occupying Gaza). This is also incredibly long, just know that it wound up with Israel capturing 78% of the land, further separating Palestinian territory into two sections Gaza and the West Bank. This is the map that you've probably seen floating around. Green is Palestine, white is Israel, the large portion on the right is the West Bank and the other tiny piece of green land is Gaza Through this all Palestine is stateless. It has been occupied by Jordan and Egypt. Israel occupied Gaza when they defeated Egypt, they "left" Gaza in 2005, but to this day control everything that goes in and out. They don't allow Palestinians to build an airport or a port, Palestinians can't create water pumps, Israel adopted the tactic of "putting Palestinians on a diet" which means calorie counting how much food per person they allow in, in order to control population growth and development. They also routinely bomb areas of Gaza in an action they call "mowing the lawn" (it's a form of psychological control and torture). Most of Gaza is unemployed, there are literally no jobs. 64% of the population is under 23, with around 50% being under 18. This is because life expectancy in Gaza is around 74, while life expectancy in Israel is around 85. Israel doesn't allow fishermen to fish deeper than 6 miles off shore. I could go on. In West Bank, you can see that the 1967 and 1920 maps are significantly different, that's because Israel occupies the West Bank, and over the course of the years allowed (encouraged) settlers to isolate and separate the West Bank in multiple enclaves, which you can see in the pic. They offer cheaper taxes or services to settlers that take Palestinian houses, you might've seen videos of New York native "Israelis" admittedly stealing Palestinian houses. That's because multiple Israeli companies claim ownership of Palestinian homes and sell them to foreign Jews for dirt cheap, and Palestinians don't have legal recourse, they're just forced to leave. There are multiple (around 500?) military check points controlled by the IDF in the West Bank. There are streets Palestinian people aren't allowed to walk on, and if they do they're apprehended. Because some Palestinian people had houses that opened to those streets, the IDF welded their doors together. Palestinians are forced to leave their houses (to go to school, work, do groceries) via ladders through their windows. Speaking of the IDF, it stands for Israeli Defense Forces. Conscription is literally mandatory for all Israeli citizens for about 2/3 years. Yes, even women (that's why Gal Gadot served in the IDF, for instance). You may also see the IDF referred to as IOF, aka, Israeli Occupying Forces. Israel's military is considered one of the best in the world, and is heavily funded by the US. The US finds it of upmost importance to have an ally (and a glorified military base) in the Middle East. That's why Biden is giving them carte blanche to genocide, and that's why Biden (multiple times) famously said, "If Israel didn't exist we'd have to invent it." Anyway, another FUN aspect of Palestinian lives is how there's four kinds of Palestinian citizens in the region (each with a different identifying ID card), and all of them are "inferior" to Israel citizens. The "lowest" residents are those who reside in Gaza. They're not allowed to enter Israel proper or the West Bank or Jerusalem. If they leave Gaza they can't return. Then there's the West Bank residents. They're not allowed to enter Israel proper or Jerusalem. If they leave the West Bank they can't return. They can move to Gaza if they so desire, but then they can't come back. Then there's the Jerusalem residents. If they leave Jerusalem they can't return. They can move to the West Bank or Gaza, but they can't come back. Then there's the Israeli Palestinian residents. They're free to move through all of the territory but if they leave Israel proper they can't come back. The first three kinds of Palestinians can't vote in Israeli elections or present themselves as candidates. The Israeli Palestinian residents can vote, but they can't platform liberation campaigns or anything that would benefit Palestine or the creation of a state of Palestine. So, basically, an empty vote. Israel has it in written law that Jerusalem has to have a certain percentage of Jewish population (I believe it's 64%), it's also an unwritten law that Israel has to have a majority Jewish population, which is why they're called an "ethnostate" While Netanyahu's approval ratings are in the pits, the IDF has an overwhelmingly positive image. Israel is a non-democracy. There are laws that prohibit the discussion of Nakba, if a Jewish Israeli marries a non-Jew they can't live together and the marriage isn't recognized by the state. They also don't pass on Israeli citizenship to their partners. Israelis are incredibly indoctrinated into despising Palestinians, and most of the population does. Something I didn't mention before is that Israel was created with the goal to imitate European countries and separate themselves from the rest of the Middle East. Israel is a DEEPLY racist country. Its leaders routinely refer to Palestinians as "animals" and "children of darkness." They use Bible quotes to justify genocide, very outwardly. Multiple polls over the years show that most Israeli citizens are in favor of carpet bombing Gaza, or annexing Gaza after committing genocide (killing all Palestinians) or ethnic cleansing (expelling all Palestinians). Another important thing to add is that all Jews, everywhere in the world, have what Israel calls "a birthright" which means each year between 40 and 25K Jewish young adults (ages 18 to 26) are given a free trip to Israel (which can range from a few days to a few weeks). A Jewish person can move to Israel at any given moment and get automatic citizenship, and they'll get a cut on taxes and other cost if they move to Israel (and like I said, they also can get houses for dirt cheap). As I said before, once a Palestinian leaves, they're not allowed to come back... I think the last thing I can explain without delving into very long-winded details is that Gaza is controlled by Hamas. Hamas was an Islamic social group funded in 1987. Over the years it became more violent and resistant to Israel mistreatment of Palestinian citizens and in turn Israel has used that as a tool for victimization, equating them to ISIS and using them as an excuse for... all of their atrocities. It's important to recognize that Hamas was funded (not founded, funded) by the Israeli government because they wanted to divide the Palestinian people who were mostly in favor of a secular government called Fatah. Hamas won the last election in Gaza in 2006 by a small minority (and it was funded by Israel back then, which multiple former Israeli politicians have admitted on the record). They created a whole maze of tunnels under Gaza and routinely resist against Israel. October 7 was an attack by Hamas which took multiple hostages and killed multiple Israeli civilians. It was in retaliation to not only the constant mistreatment of Israeli to Palestinian people, but also their recurrent attacks on Mosques on Ramadan and other assorted attacks from Israel. Ever since then, Israel is using the hostages and the civilian casualties as an excuse to "hunt Hamas" and "exterminate it." Because they move mostly through tunnels, they claim that Hamas uses civilians as human shields and they're hiding below hospitals, mosques, schools, etc, in order to carpet bomb the f*ck out of the territory. As of today, Israel has killed 8,000 civilians in Gaza (it has a population of around 2 million). Israel has also killed multiple Palestinians in the West Bank, despite the fact that Hamas does NOT control that territory. Hamas has offered to hand the hostages in exchange for a ceasefire, Israel refused, in exchange for Israel freeing Palestinian prisoners (Israel has thousands of Palestinian prisoners, a good chunk of them children, most of them for absolutely no reason), Israel refused. They offered hostages in exchange for fuel and the entrance of aid, Israel refused. Since Israel controls Gaza's supply of electricity, water, internet, food, etc, they have cut off all of it, blanking out Gaza in the process. They've told Gaza residents to move south, but then bombed the routes they marked as safe, and then bombed the south of Gaza. It has murdered 20 something journalists and the families of a few of them (which they admit they did on purpose). They've apparently murdered about 50 hostages. I honestly don't know what else to add. If I forgot anything, someone else add it. Great summary. Although I would not directly claim that Hamas was founded Hamas (as it is now i.e. violently militant) was funded (not founded, funded) by the Israeli government. From my understanding Hamas started as a religious (+ fundamentalist) organisation that preached "let's embrace our sufferings and go back to the old Quran ways etc." to Palestinians and Israel mostly funded this thinking well ohhh yeah maybe this will counter support for the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) resistance which was more of a secular organisation. Hamas only became a militant organisation over time when they saw that the preaching is not what the people of Palestine want and would not get them support.
Delly Posted October 30, 2023 Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Cloröx said: What a psychopath Just to add some links about the organ harvesting of Palestinians which was first covered by a Swedish newspaper. At first both Israel government and US representatives condemned the news as baseless and antisemitic "blood libel" only to have their Chief Pathologist confirmed the story in a leaked interview in 2000. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Aftonbladet_Israel_controversy https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs Nowadays wealthy Israelis are still the main customers of illegal organ trafficking ring from Central Asia https://www.timesofisrael.com/kazakhstan-holds-doctor-over-israel-linked-organ-harvesting-scheme/ 2
naomi24 Posted October 30, 2023 Posted October 30, 2023 I would also like mention that the only time there was some semblance of peace and liberation for the Palestinian people were the Oslo Accords peace treaties between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) in 1993 and 1995. Yitzhak Rabin was the Israeli prime minister at that time - and he was NOT a good hearted guy by any means, the terms of the peace treaty were still unfair to Palestinians-he just wanted the international community off his back- because all these discussions of apartheid we are having today were taking place in 1990s too! Anyways he pissed off fellow Zionists - the hardcore ones, and also the extremist religious ones and was assassinated in 1995 by one of them. After that bibi Netanhayu came into power and has mostly remained the prime minister of Israel since then ( even in the periods he wasn't the PM, it was still the right wing party ruling Israel). Any real peace talks of a two-state solution or whatever have NOT been possible since that day.
punisher Posted October 30, 2023 Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) As a palestinian my mental health has been affected this month and it makes me depressed what's happening in Gaza. But this thread brings me a lot of happiness seeing how much you guys are being supportive and it gives me hope for my country. Edited October 30, 2023 by punisher
punisher Posted October 30, 2023 Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Cloröx said: The dupe is back? i'm not CardiB... Edited October 30, 2023 by punisher
Cloröx Posted October 30, 2023 Posted October 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, punisher said: i'm not CardiB... Sus but okay
punisher Posted October 30, 2023 Posted October 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, Cloröx said: Sus but okay ik it's suspicious that they joined on the same day but i promise
Riot Posted October 30, 2023 Posted October 30, 2023 4 hours ago, futurenostalgic said: 180 pages in and ATRL zionists still haven't explained why Israel is attacking the West Bank 1
Kitty Kat Posted October 30, 2023 Posted October 30, 2023 I've seen this article do the rounds this morning... linking an archive version as the original is behind a paywall https://archive.ph/HXqtS#selection-589.0-589.22 The amount of misrepresentation and the framing of society's grievances against colonialism as some form of 'anti-woke' culture war is beyond me at this point. Repulsive.
Tea SpiIIer Posted October 30, 2023 Posted October 30, 2023 I’m back from the exile.. to say that.. you’re all bunch of antisemitists, you don’t care when muslims kill muslims in Iraq, Iran, Syria and a lot more countries. But all of a sudden when jews have to defend themselves, after being slaughtered and their people taken as hostages, the jews are the bad guys and need to be removed from their land. that’s just antisemitism. I bet that if the people of your nation were kidnapped you would destroy anything needed to get your people back. You guys are bunch of hypocrites. Go organize demonstrations for the women and gays being killed in Iran for wanting to be themselves. Not for people who want their children back. 1 10
State of Grace. Posted October 30, 2023 Posted October 30, 2023 4 hours ago, More Than A Melody said: Summarize in simple terms? I can try. In SHORT terms? No. I'll try bullet points for clarity. The land in question is considered "Holy Land" by both Muslims and Jews (according to Jew/Christian belief, Muslims descend from the prophet Abraham's first son Ishmael and Jews from his second son Isaac). This is like, legit thousands of years ago. According to Jewish belief, the land where Israel is settled today (and other surrounding areas) was their "Promised Land" which belonged to them and only them. Jews suffered multiple exiles from the area over the course of thousands of years, which is why most Jews, were settled in Europe. Jews have been victims of persecution pretty much since the inception of time. In the late 1800s a Jewish activist called Theodor Herzl started the Zionist movement, according to which, Jews would create a homeland in their Holy Land. antisemitic rhetoric had always been somewhat prevalent, so Herzl believed that the only way to avoid it was to create a Jewish state. Of course, Herzl and adopters of this movement, thoroughly ignored that said "Holy Land" was already occupied. The territory belonged to the Ottoman Empire, and was informally (but pretty much officially) called Palestine. More than half a million Arabs lived there. In the following years (late 1800s - early 1900s) Jews started to emigrate to Palestine to escape the rise of antisemitism. By the 1920s, the population of Palestine was of 757K, of which 600K were Muslim, 85K Jewish, 75K Christian. World War I saw the Ottoman Empire join forces with the Central Powers (Germany, Austria-Hungary, Bulgaria), and were defeated by the Allied Forces (France, UK, US, etc). The Ottoman Empire is dissolved once they're defeated and France and the UK split its territory, with France taking Syria and the UK taking Palestine. This is known as the British Mandate, in 1922 (also the French Mandate, but it's irrelevant here). In 1917 the UK had signed the Balfour Declaration, which was a show of support to the Zionist movement in terms of establishing a homeland in Palestine. Reminder that at this point 80% of the population of Palestine was Muslim, 11% was Jewish. Over the course of the following two decades, Palestinians (non-Jewish) rioted and revolted multiple times. All the while Jewish people continued to emigrate to Palestine. Antisemitic rhetoric was reaching a fever high... idk if you recognize the date but it's time for _*-*_ HITLER _*-*_. After World War II, the UK was like "right, yeah, about that British Mandate, I don't want it anymore" and handed the issue to the UN. The UN partitioned the land 56% for Israel, 44% for Palestine, with Jerusalem being under international control, despite the fact that non-Jewish Palestinians were a vast majority. Israel was like "yes!" and Arabs were like "uh, no?" Cue, conflict. The resolution by the UN was declared in late November 1947. Ten days prior, a paramilitary Zionist organization killed multiple members of an Arab family, which resulted in the Arab side retaliating by killing multiple Jews, which morphed into a full blown civil war, which escalated to a full blown Arab-Jewish war by May 15 1948, when Israel was officially declared a state. This is probably the hardest part to explain in simple terms because of all the moving parts, but it essentially resulted in what's called Nakba (which means "catastrophe"), where with horrible attacks, Israel expelled 700K+ Arabs from the land. Civilians, obviously. This is something Mohamed Hadid (Gigi and Bella's dad) has touched on, because it happened to him. His parents had taken a Jewish family after World War II because they had nowhere to live, when his mom was pregnant with him, she went to his grandmother's house to give birth and when she came back, the Jewish family which was taking refuge in her house had taken over, and they refused to even give her a blanket for the baby. His family was forced into exile with just the clothes on their backs. This entire thing resulted in Israel occupying more land than it was originally given. In 1967 Israel preemptively launched an attack by air and ground on Egypt (which at this point was occupying Gaza). This is also incredibly long, just know that it wound up with Israel capturing 78% of the land, further separating Palestinian territory into two sections Gaza and the West Bank. This is the map that you've probably seen floating around. Green is Palestine, white is Israel, the large portion on the right is the West Bank and the other tiny piece of green land is Gaza Through this all Palestine is stateless. It has been occupied by Jordan and Egypt. Israel occupied Gaza when they defeated Egypt, they "left" Gaza in 2005, but to this day control everything that goes in and out. They don't allow Palestinians to build an airport or a port, Palestinians can't create water pumps, Israel adopted the tactic of "putting Palestinians on a diet" which means calorie counting how much food per person they allow in, in order to control population growth and development. They also routinely bomb areas of Gaza in an action they call "mowing the lawn" (it's a form of psychological control and torture). Most of Gaza is unemployed, there are literally no jobs. 64% of the population is under 23, with around 50% being under 18. This is because life expectancy in Gaza is around 74, while life expectancy in Israel is around 85. Israel doesn't allow fishermen to fish deeper than 6 miles off shore. I could go on. In West Bank, you can see that the 1967 and 1920 maps are significantly different, that's because Israel occupies the West Bank, and over the course of the years allowed (encouraged) settlers to isolate and separate the West Bank in multiple enclaves, which you can see in the pic. They offer cheaper taxes or services to settlers that take Palestinian houses, you might've seen videos of New York native "Israelis" admittedly stealing Palestinian houses. That's because multiple Israeli companies claim ownership of Palestinian homes and sell them to foreign Jews for dirt cheap, and Palestinians don't have legal recourse, they're just forced to leave. There are multiple (around 500?) military check points controlled by the IDF in the West Bank. There are streets Palestinian people aren't allowed to walk on, and if they do they're apprehended. Because some Palestinian people had houses that opened to those streets, the IDF welded their doors together. Palestinians are forced to leave their houses (to go to school, work, do groceries) via ladders through their windows. Speaking of the IDF, it stands for Israeli Defense Forces. Conscription is literally mandatory for all Israeli citizens for about 2/3 years. Yes, even women (that's why Gal Gadot served in the IDF, for instance). You may also see the IDF referred to as IOF, aka, Israeli Occupying Forces. Israel's military is considered one of the best in the world, and is heavily funded by the US. The US finds it of upmost importance to have an ally (and a glorified military base) in the Middle East. That's why Biden is giving them carte blanche to genocide, and that's why Biden (multiple times) famously said, "If Israel didn't exist we'd have to invent it." Anyway, another FUN aspect of Palestinian lives is how there's four kinds of Palestinian citizens in the region (each with a different identifying ID card), and all of them are "inferior" to Israel citizens. The "lowest" residents are those who reside in Gaza. They're not allowed to enter Israel proper or the West Bank or Jerusalem. If they leave Gaza they can't return. Then there's the West Bank residents. They're not allowed to enter Israel proper or Jerusalem. If they leave the West Bank they can't return. They can move to Gaza if they so desire, but then they can't come back. Then there's the Jerusalem residents. If they leave Jerusalem they can't return. They can move to the West Bank or Gaza, but they can't come back. Then there's the Israeli Palestinian residents. They're free to move through all of the territory but if they leave Israel proper they can't come back. The first three kinds of Palestinians can't vote in Israeli elections or present themselves as candidates. The Israeli Palestinian residents can vote, but they can't platform liberation campaigns or anything that would benefit Palestine or the creation of a state of Palestine. So, basically, an empty vote. Israel has it in written law that Jerusalem has to have a certain percentage of Jewish population (I believe it's 64%), it's also an unwritten law that Israel has to have a majority Jewish population, which is why they're called an "ethnostate" While Netanyahu's approval ratings are in the pits, the IDF has an overwhelmingly positive image. Israel is a non-democracy. There are laws that prohibit the discussion of Nakba, if a Jewish Israeli marries a non-Jew they can't live together and the marriage isn't recognized by the state. They also don't pass on Israeli citizenship to their partners. Israelis are incredibly indoctrinated into despising Palestinians, and most of the population does. Something I didn't mention before is that Israel was created with the goal to imitate European countries and separate themselves from the rest of the Middle East. Israel is a DEEPLY racist country. Its leaders routinely refer to Palestinians as "animals" and "children of darkness." They use Bible quotes to justify genocide, very outwardly. Multiple polls over the years show that most Israeli citizens are in favor of carpet bombing Gaza, or annexing Gaza after committing genocide (killing all Palestinians) or ethnic cleansing (expelling all Palestinians). Another important thing to add is that all Jews, everywhere in the world, have what Israel calls "a birthright" which means each year between 40 and 25K Jewish young adults (ages 18 to 26) are given a free trip to Israel (which can range from a few days to a few weeks). A Jewish person can move to Israel at any given moment and get automatic citizenship, and they'll get a cut on taxes and other cost if they move to Israel (and like I said, they also can get houses for dirt cheap). As I said before, once a Palestinian leaves, they're not allowed to come back... I think the last thing I can explain without delving into very long-winded details is that Gaza is controlled by Hamas. Hamas was an Islamic social group funded in 1987. Over the years it became more violent and resistant to Israel mistreatment of Palestinian citizens and in turn Israel has used that as a tool for victimization, equating them to ISIS and using them as an excuse for... all of their atrocities. It's important to recognize that Hamas was funded (not founded, funded) by the Israeli government because they wanted to divide the Palestinian people who were mostly in favor of a secular government called Fatah. Hamas won the last election in Gaza in 2006 by a small minority (and it was funded by Israel back then, which multiple former Israeli politicians have admitted on the record). They created a whole maze of tunnels under Gaza and routinely resist against Israel. October 7 was an attack by Hamas which took multiple hostages and killed multiple Israeli civilians. It was in retaliation to not only the constant mistreatment of Israeli to Palestinian people, but also their recurrent attacks on Mosques on Ramadan and other assorted attacks from Israel. Ever since then, Israel is using the hostages and the civilian casualties as an excuse to "hunt Hamas" and "exterminate it." Because they move mostly through tunnels, they claim that Hamas uses civilians as human shields and they're hiding below hospitals, mosques, schools, etc, in order to carpet bomb the f*ck out of the territory. As of today, Israel has killed 8,000 civilians in Gaza (it has a population of around 2 million). Israel has also killed multiple Palestinians in the West Bank, despite the fact that Hamas does NOT control that territory. Hamas has offered to hand the hostages in exchange for a ceasefire, Israel refused, in exchange for Israel freeing Palestinian prisoners (Israel has thousands of Palestinian prisoners, a good chunk of them children, most of them for absolutely no reason), Israel refused. They offered hostages in exchange for fuel and the entrance of aid, Israel refused. Since Israel controls Gaza's supply of electricity, water, internet, food, etc, they have cut off all of it, blanking out Gaza in the process. They've told Gaza residents to move south, but then bombed the routes they marked as safe, and then bombed the south of Gaza. It has murdered 20 something journalists and the families of a few of them (which they admit they did on purpose). They've apparently murdered about 50 hostages. I honestly don't know what else to add. If I forgot anything, someone else add it. Great summary. Should be pinned on top of every page if that is possible for anyone genuinely wanting to be educated and maybe feeling overwhelmed with the resources. I'd recommend this informative website too. The navigation is simple and it contains lots of historical/political context and answers many FAQs: https://decolonizepalestine.com/ 4
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