celeb news Lil Nas X about Lady Gaga and Madonna: “with all due respect idgaf what they did”

[mons†er]

1 hour ago, IsidoraMarí said:

They said the same thing about Rap in general

 

It's basically the same as Mariah not finding Madonna relevant to her career in the 90s... What does this old, no shade, person have to do with my Work???

 

Idc how you want to word it, they have nothing to do with what Nas is doing and he's voicing it.

The difference between Mariah and Madonna is that Mariah didn’t set the standard for LNX to do what he does today. I understand him being frustrated by comparisons however, you can’t re-write history to fit your narrative because you don’t want to acknowledge what was done before you. 

 

he could’ve honestly said ‘what they did then is amazing but what I’m doing now is for my generation and i’m grateful to those women for setting the foundation for me to do what I do today.’ 

[babyforlife]

2 hours ago, _Fey said:

Gays rewriting history acting like Judas was an moment is so funny to me. The song charted for 3 weeks and the single was replaced by Edge of Glory a month later. Thank god Nas isn't looking to it for inspiration. He should want to make a splash and also succeed.

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Judas is literally came from 100M-ish streams in 2021-2022 (?) and approaching to hit 500M in 2024..
Chart peak is kinda irrelevant in streaming era
 

[spree]

36 minutes ago, babyforlife said:

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Judas is literally came from 100M-ish streams in 2021-2022 (?) and approaching to hit 500M in 2024..
Chart peak is kinda irrelevant in streaming era
 

just because it is streaming well now doesn't make it a huge moment back then.  It was like a one day moment, certainly should NEVER be lumped together with Like a Prayer.  Literally every Olivia and Taylor song is over 1B.  Are they all events? 

 

I love Judas tho. 

[IsidoraMarí]

1 hour ago, mons†er said:

The difference between Mariah and Madonna is that Mariah didn’t set the standard for LNX to do what he does today. I understand him being frustrated by comparisons however, you can’t re-write history to fit your narrative because you don’t want to acknowledge what was done before you. 

 

he could’ve honestly said ‘what they did then is amazing but what I’m doing now is for my generation and i’m grateful to those women for setting the foundation for me to do what I do today.’ 

Madonna is post the 70s... I don't see how you could possible say that as if the 60s and 70s wasn't full of thought provoking radical musicians. Is it because he's gay? I'd say Nicki is far more influential to Nas's Career than Madonna and Gaga... The comparisons are bizarre, they aren't his foundations, Frank Ocean, Nicki, Future, Travis Scott are. They are where his sound comes from, definitely not Gaga and Madonna. 

[Sexyzinger]

4 hours ago, _Fey said:

Gays rewriting history acting like Judas was a moment is so funny to me. The song charted for 3 weeks and the single was replaced by Edge of Glory a month later. Thank god Nas isn't looking to it for inspiration. He should want to make a splash and also succeed.

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[Rep2000]

5 hours ago, Jay07 said:

He posts and makes art like an ATRLer. Superficial shock factor without substance. 

Yeah, this whole new "era" sounds like a repost at best lol.

[Soda Pop Queen]

 I'm dead. He chose violence, I see. I might not follow all of Nas' music or agree with everything he does/says but I'll always be here for a black, out and proud person being as free as they wanna be and not feeling the need to kiss anyone's ass, not even white sacred cows to the community like Gaga or Madonna. It clearly makes a lot of you here sick and I'm here for it tbh.

 

 

 

[mrpartyrocker]

7 hours ago, Relampago. said:

I wasn’t talking about artpop era. We all know what happened during that era. 

[mrpartyrocker]

8 hours ago, cuteboyzay said:

I mean I don’t agree with him at all, and they are LEGENDS and have done so much. And have created FARRRR better works than Nas has ever even thought of. But in the same vein they are YT women (one of the least oppressed groups) that heavily used minorities, shock factor, and things from the LGBT community to get where they are now (some of the most oppressed people in the world today).
 

I LOVE what they have done, but there are many POCs that also do not care or gaf about what artists like Madonna and Gaga have done for a lot of reasons. One of them being possibly being “culture vultures” for the sake of fame and notoriety.

I know they have done so much for the community, and I love them. And Lil Nas has to realize that they helped TREMENDOUSLY pave the way for him too. But y’all have to realize there are many POCs that truly don’t hold the same respect for Gaga and Madonna as some other people do. 

Why does this have to be about POCs? I swear I will never understand why some people HAVE to bring that up when their race has nothing to do with the discussion. 

[mrpartyrocker]

8 hours ago, Relampago. said:

I was referring to Alejandro video/Judas controversy as the main subject of this thread is related to biblical references in their songs. Gaga’s breakdowns during artpop were caused by other factors.  

[imabadkid]

4 minutes ago, mrpartyrocker said:

Why does this have to be about POCs? I swear I will never understand why some people HAVE to bring that up when their race has nothing to do with the discussion. 

idk where u live but honey here in America EVERYTHING goes back to race… do your research on this country’s history. and I disagree with Nas X, I wasn’t even alive during Madonna’s peak but any pop artist esp one that is part of the LGBTQIA+ community has to have some level of respect for what she’s done for pop music and gays in general. 
 

but yah race will always have smth to do with it because this is America and that’s just how it has been and will always be for better or for worse. 

[mrpartyrocker]

10 minutes ago, Soda Pop Queen said:

 I'm dead. He chose violence, I see. I might not follow all of Nas' music or agree with everything he does/says but I'll always be here for a black, out and proud person being as free as they wanna be and not feeling the need to kiss anyone's ass, not even white sacred cows to the community like Gaga or Madonna. It clearly makes a lot of you here sick and I'm here for it tbh.

 

 

 

The fact that you refer to some iconic females as “white sacred cows” just to prove your point is sad but at the same time says a lot about you. They paved the way for the community. If you see gays out and free to speak their minds, is because they had a major input in normalising it. And if you disagree, then clearly you have no idea what their real contribution to it was. Which is fine, but stop trying to look intelligent and go to sleep

[mrpartyrocker]

3 minutes ago, imabadkid said:

idk where u live but honey here in America EVERYTHING goes back to race… do your research on this country’s history. and I disagree with Nas X, I wasn’t even alive during Madonna’s peak but any pop artist esp one that is part of the LGBTQIA+ community has to have some level of respect for what she’s done for pop music and gays in general. 
 

but yah race will always have smth to do with it because this is America and that’s just how it has been and will always be for better or for worse. 

You are wrong! Gays supported lil nas and there was some kind of respect  during montero era up until now!!! Which is a totally different context and has nothing to do with his race. You can’t tell me the backlash and his reactions happen because people are racists. 

Edited January 11 by mrpartyrocker

[Bubble Tea]

7 minutes ago, mrpartyrocker said:

I was referring to Alejandro video/Judas controversy as the main subject of this thread is related to biblical references in their songs. Gaga’s breakdowns during artpop were caused by other factors.  

What on earth says breakdown about these tweets? She was promo-ing her single by poking fun at what was being said about her at the time? She knew damn well what was going on  Still she did have a very messy single / video up her sleeve so couldn't say she was COMPLETELY in her sanest state.

 

But calling these tweets evidence of a "breakdown" is pathetic 

[TROJAN]

7 hours ago, _Fey said:

Gays rewriting history acting like Judas was a moment is so funny to me. The song charted for 3 weeks and the single was replaced by Edge of Glory a month later. Thank god Nas isn't looking to it for inspiration. He should want to make a splash and also succeed.

A song that only charted for 3 weeks getting 467K daily streams nearly 13 years later? We have to stan 

[mrpartyrocker]

Just now, Tropical said:

What on earth says breakdown about these tweets? She was promo-ing her single by poking fun at what was being said about her at the time? She knew damn well what was going on  Still she did have a very messy single / video up her sleeve so couldn't say she was COMPLETELY in her sanest state.

 

But calling these tweets evidence of a "breakdown" is pathetic 

Tell me you’re not a Gaga fan without telling me you’re not a Gaga fan. 

[mrpartyrocker]

7 hours ago, _Fey said:

Gays rewriting history acting like Judas was an moment is so funny to me. The song charted for 3 weeks and the single was replaced by Edge of Glory a month later. Thank god Nas isn't looking to it for inspiration. He should want to make a splash and also succeed.

So you’re telling me that a song/video cannot be iconic just based on the fact that it only charted for 3 weeks? I mean… if you want to talk numbers, Judas current daily streams are almost on par with Montero. 

[readytowind]

6 hours ago, Tamera said:

What exactly did that straight blonde white woman do to open doors for gay popstars?

 Way More than your mariah bey and rihanna.

Fake allies.

[readytowind]

Hes flopping already

[Soda Pop Queen]

33 minutes ago, mrpartyrocker said:

The fact that you refer to some iconic females as “white sacred cows” just to prove your point is sad but at the same time says a lot about you. They paved the way for the community. If you see gays out and free to speak their minds, is because they had a major input in normalising it. And if you disagree, then clearly you have no idea what their real contribution to it was. Which is fine, but stop trying to look intelligent and go to sleep

I'm sorry, who are you? 

 

I am well aware of Madonna and Lady Gaga's contributions to the community but the fact that a lot here always seem to be bothered by everything Nas, a black gay male, does and thinks he should always have to kowtow to pop diva allies actually speaks volumes about y'all. I think his existence as it is and his level of success in the mainstream is rather radical and needed, especially as a black male adjacent to Hip-Hop. He's already broken so much glass in the last 5 years and much of that is thanks to black queer men who walked (and the ones that had to hide for their personal survival and livelihoods) so he could run free in this day and age. Their struggles should never be diminished, pushed aside or ignored for allied female artists, no matter how iconic and worshipped they are in the wider community. A lot of y'all hate on gay male artists in general on here and it's truly baffling seeing as the major demo here is male/lgbt. 

 

 

Edited January 11 by Soda Pop Queen

[mrpartyrocker]

10 minutes ago, Soda Pop Queen said:

I'm sorry, who are you? 

 

I am well aware of Madonna and Lady Gaga's contributions to the community but the fact that a lot here always seem to be bothered by everything Nas, a black gay male, does and thinks he should always have to kowtow to pop diva allies actually speaks volumes about y'all. I think his existence as it is and his level of success in the mainstream is rather radical and needed, especially as a black male adjacent to Hip-Hop. He's already broken so much glass in the last 5 years and much of that is thanks to black queer men who walked (and the ones that had to hide for their personal survival and livelihoods) so he could run free in this day and age. Their struggles should never be diminished, pushed aside or ignored for allied female artists, no matter how iconic and worshipped they are in the wider community. A lot of y'all hate on gay male artists in general on here and it's truly baffling seeing as the major demo here is male/lgbt. 

 

 

Again, turning this into a “race” conversation. The only one that diminishes and ignores someone’s struggles is you, considering you refer to 2 iconic females in the pop culture and lgbt+ community as “white sacred cows”. No one said Lil Nas did not push the boundaries or whatever. I don’t hate gay artists and if anything, I said myself that I was rooting for him up until this era. What he is doing now is nothing extraordinary  and does not push any boundaries. It’s just a call for attention, replicating what he’s done 4 years ago. You can do it once, but do it twice and you look like a clown. Listened to the song in full and it has nothing to do with the actual title of the song, he just added J Christ for the sake of attention and controversy. 

[Soda Pop Queen]

30 minutes ago, mrpartyrocker said:

Again, turning this into a “race” conversation. The only one that diminishes and ignores someone’s struggles is you, considering you refer to 2 iconic females in the pop culture and lgbt+ community as “white sacred cows”. No one said Lil Nas did not push the boundaries or whatever. I don’t hate gay artists and if anything, I said myself that I was rooting for him up until this era. What he is doing now is nothing extraordinary  and does not push any boundaries. It’s just a call for attention, replicating what he’s done 4 years ago. You can do it once, but do it twice and you look like a clown. Listened to the song in full and it has nothing to do with the actual title of the song, he just added J Christ for the sake of attention and controversy. 

Why can't we talk about race in this context? It is indeed a factor in his identity and how people perceive him as a gay man and his presentation. Madonna, Lord knows I love her, is indeed a sacred cow to white lgbt, as is Gaga, who I don't love as much but respect. If they weren't scared cows, trust that this thread would not be this long and combative. My point stands. Why should a black gay man have to kiss the feet of 2 white female icons just because they are allies to the community, a community that he and people that look like him are largely pushed to the fringes of? You don't hate gay male artists like the larger ATRL community, cool, but if that is truly the case you should have skipped my post unless something else was driving your need to reply. So what if he might be "replicating things he did 4 years ago" or "seeking attention"? So are a **** ton of artists, both past and present. You don't have to attempt to re-invent the wheel every single time out to have value. Why can't he just be what he is and if you're not into it, ignore it? Why the extreme standards placed on him? 

Edited January 11 by Soda Pop Queen

[PoisonedIvy]

4 minutes ago, Soda Pop Queen said:

Why can't we talk about race in this context? It is indeed a factor in his identity and how people perceive him as a gay man and his presentation. Madonna, Lord knows I love her, is indeed a sacred cow to white lgbt, as is Gaga, who I don't love as much but respect. If they weren't scared cows, trust that this thread would not be this long and combative. My point stands. Why should a black gay man have to kiss the feet of 2 white female icons just because they are allies to the community, a community that he and people that look like him are largely pushed to the fringes of? You don't hate gay male artists like the larger ATRL community, cool, but if that is truly the case you should have skipped my post unless something else was driving your need to reply. So what if he might be "replicating things he did 4 years ago" or "seeking attention"? So are a **** ton of artists, both past and present. You don't have to go and attempt to re-invent the wheel to have value. Why can't he just be what he is and if you're not into it, ignore it? Why the extreme standards placed on him? 

They won’t get what you’re saying. Don’t waste your time 

[Titanbaddie]

The idea that just because somebody did something well and first, that it somehow opens doors for everyone after them including people who don't share the same amount of privilege as them is actually funny to me because everyone knows that's not how the world works.

 

When a white man lands on the moon, It means that doors have been opened for white men not women and people of color. 

 

Lil Nas X is a black gay rapper who grew up in black communities that had the black church and he was raised with black toxic masculinity which is unique to his experience and relationship with religion. If he says Gaga and Madonna are not part of his refences when he thinks of exploring religion through art, i believe him because when he goes to the Breakfast Club or Ebro of any other urban platform and has to defend his portrayal of religious imagery, it won't be Like A Prayer of Judas that's referenced by the community interrogating and discussing his work. None of that will matter to the community he comes from and the people he makes music for.

 

Now whether or not the work he does is good, is a completely different conversation. 

[SIDE2SIDE]

14 hours ago, kindararenext said:

all this yapping to hype up a song that sounds like the same old crap he's been dropping since montero, give us a break

arianas made the same album ten times pls