Chemist Posted January 9 Posted January 9 It's a bit overdone but inoffensive. Definitely taking his side over the the ultra Christians that he's making mad. So...keep making them mad king
Reginald Posted January 9 Posted January 9 I am HERE FOR IT At the same time though, I would love to see him develop his artistry in a more serious way. He comes off as very unserious, but has the platform to say something very impactful. 1
ThisNihilist Posted January 9 Posted January 9 I'm sorry but Madonna has been doing this schtick for 40 years over and over but now its a problem...okay.... 1
Garbaj Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Yea, i agree somewhat. He def does rely on gimmicks a lot. But i mean what else can he do? Making music and releasing it; isn't enough for someone like him. And 2 make things worse... hes black and openly gay. It HAS to be hard, to get your voice out there. I can't imagine the amount of people that try their hardest to sabotage him. He's not white like Harry, or Justin; he can't just turn in music and release it; and then expect it 2 smash; he has to promote 10x harder than anyone else, and the KEY to that is by causing controversy. Sorry not sorry. I'm perched either way. This friday is going 2 be AMAZING!!! 1
KBax Posted January 9 Posted January 9 He's honestly so boring and forgettable, he's try hard and it shows. I didn't even think Lil Nas X was a thing anymore
Margaux Posted January 9 Posted January 9 his music is so garbage that this imagery is just whatever.
igninton Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Idgaf about religion but it's funny how these edgy peeps would never dare to take a beef with Judaism or Islam so they resort to always bashing the same one. It's like when everyone was resorting to cheap EDM sounds during 2010-2015, can you come up with something or new or at least start offending a different demographic?
kishi Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Will wait for the song to come out to share my thoughts. But I do support an openly gay black man from the southern USA and raised in a religious environment sharing HIS experience. 1
Harrier Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Yeah it's tired, my first thought on seeing the cover was... again? It was edgy and boundary pushing when Madonna did it, but in 2024 it's just a bit tired. Maybe it's time to genuinely satirise all religions, or a do a political message with some actual substance rather than just endlessly trolling Christians. It's boring because it's actually like the safest and least orignal way to manufacture this kind of "controversy". 1
Bussea Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Religious folk don’t respect us, so who cares if they get dog walked. Hopefully it’s a bop 2
State of Grace. Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, igninton said: Idgaf about religion but it's funny how these edgy peeps would never dare to take a beef with Judaism or Islam so they resort to always bashing the same one. It's like when everyone was resorting to cheap EDM sounds during 2010-2015, can you come up with something or new or at least start offending a different demographic? (this is not a jab at you personally) I understand that this website loves to project their hatred for Islam onto everything and in every occasion, and I agree with that to an extent as an ex-Muslim with a lot of resentment towards the religion itself, but please explain to me HOW Lil Nas — as a gay man who was born and raised in a Catholic family, had a pastor father, grew up in a country where homophobia was predominantly Christian-run, had Christian conservatives and right-wing crazies going after him since he started his career & came out — making a song about Islam or criticizing it would make sense? Why would he portray himself as...Mohammad instead for example when he didn't even grow up around Muslims? What would Lil Nas know about queer experiences in Muslim households? They aren't even his main market so why bother? If anything, that would come off as corny, very surface-level, and only done for the sake of the controversy and offending a group of people. My point is that it would actually make more sense and hit harder coming from queer artists that experienced it and know what it's like to have a Muslim upbringing. Someone with 0 links to Islam like Lil Nas doing it wouldn't, unless he pulls an ~all religions are bad~ type of message but he's clearly more interested in talking about his life. The reason we don't have Pop stars "taking beef with Islam" for example in their music is simply because we don't have many (or any ) big names that were raised in Muslim cultures. Like, I do wish he was doing something else with this Catholicism imagery and I understand the "meh, it's stale!" criticism, but I feel like some people are losing the plot here. Madonna has been using the same imagery in her art since the 80s and we love it, so I don't see why Lil Nas, who was also oppressed by it as a black gay guy, shouldn't. He should just try to address it in different and more creative ways....hopefully with his next releases. The conservatives are fuming either way so I have no choice but to stan honestly. Edited January 9 by State of Grace. 3 1
CaptainMusic Posted January 9 Posted January 9 It’s a bit tired but if it makes conservatives fume then who cares.
dawnettakins Posted January 9 Posted January 9 It's definitely tired. And I love Lil Nas X. But he should move on before everyone else does.
Harrier Posted January 9 Posted January 9 16 minutes ago, State of Grace. said: (this is not a jab at you personally) I understand that this website loves to project their hatred for Islam onto everything and in every occasion, and I agree with that to an extent as an ex-Muslim with a lot of resentment towards the religion itself, but please explain to me HOW Lil Nas — as a gay man who was born and raised in a Catholic family, had a pastor father, grew up in a country where homophobia was predominantly Christian-run, had Christian conservatives and right-wing crazies going after him since he started his career & came out — making a song about Islam or criticizing it would make sense? Why would he portray himself as...Mohammad instead for example when he didn't even grow up around Muslims? What would Lil Nas know about queer experiences in Muslim households? They aren't even his main market so why bother? If anything, that would come off as corny, very surface-level, and only done for the sake of the controversy and offending a group of people. My point is that it would actually make more sense and hit harder coming from queer artists that experienced it and know what it's like to have a Muslim upbringing. Someone with 0 links to Islam like Lil Nas doing it wouldn't, unless he pulls an ~all religions are bad~ type of message but he's clearly more interested in talking about his life. The reason we don't have Pop stars "taking beef with Islam" for example in their music is simply because we don't have many (or any ) big names that were raised in Muslim cultures. Like, I do wish he was doing something else with this Catholicism imagery and I understand the "meh, it's stale!" criticism, but I feel like some people are losing the plot here. Madonna has been using the same imagery in her art since the 80s and we love it, so I don't see why Lil Nas, who was also oppressed by it as a black gay guy, shouldn't. He should just try to address it in different and more creative ways....hopefully with his next releases. The conservatives are fuming either way so I have no choice but to stan honestly. You make good points here and it certainly wouldn't make sense for Nas to target Islam or Judaism specifically, it'd be wildly tone deaf and frankly... weird given it's not his background. But I do think there could be room for him to explore like, other sources of homophobia. I do think that non-Christian homophobia goes a little bit unchallenged in comparison to Christian homophobia which we all (rightly) rag on constantly. But there are so many sources and types of homophobia. Like let's talk about how damaging traditonal masculinit /machismo are to queer men all around the world. As much as I personally dislike religion sometimes it's actually not about that. Or maybe as I said earlier, he could do something that is more of a general critique of religious homophobia. It just feels like low hanging fruit for a pop star to be satirising Christianity again. Tired, done etc. 2
superben Posted January 9 Posted January 9 15 minutes ago, State of Grace. said: (this is not a jab at you personally) I understand that this website loves to project their hatred for Islam onto everything and in every occasion, and I agree with that to an extent as an ex-Muslim with a lot of resentment towards the religion itself, but please explain to me HOW Lil Nas — as a gay man who was born and raised in a Catholic family, had a pastor father, grew up in a country where homophobia was predominantly Christian-run, had Christian conservatives and right-wing crazies going after him since he started his career & came out — making a song about Islam or criticizing it would make sense? Why would he portray himself as...Mohammad instead for example when he didn't even grow up around Muslims? What would Lil Nas know about queer experiences in Muslim households? They aren't even his main market so why bother? If anything, that would come off as corny, very surface-level, and only done for the sake of the controversy and offending a group of people. My point is that it would actually make more sense and hit harder coming from queer artists that experienced it and know what it's like to have a Muslim upbringing. Someone with 0 links to Islam like Lil Nas doing it wouldn't, unless he pulls an ~all religions are bad~ type of message but he's clearly more interested in talking about his life. The reason we don't have Pop stars "taking beef with Islam" for example in their music is simply because we don't have many (or any ) big names that were raised in Muslim cultures. Like, I do wish he was doing something else with this Catholicism imagery and I understand the "meh, it's stale!" criticism, but I feel like some people are losing the plot here. Madonna has been using the same imagery in her art since the 80s and we love it, so I don't see why Lil Nas, who was also oppressed by it as a black gay guy, shouldn't. He should just try to address it in different and more creative ways....hopefully with his next releases. The conservatives are fuming either way so I have no choice but to stan honestly. This is what he's doing with Catholicism 1
Slayn Posted January 9 Posted January 9 He's already serving fad and will be back here commenting on ATRL in no time if he's not already
State of Grace. Posted January 9 Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, Harrier said: You make good points here and it certainly wouldn't make sense for Nas to target Islam or Judaism specifically, it'd be wildly tone deaf and frankly... weird given it's not his background. But I do think there could be room for him to explore like, other sources of homophobia. I do think that non-Christian homophobia goes a little bit unchallenged in comparison to Christian homophobia which we all (rightly) rag on constantly. But there are so many sources and types of homophobia. Like let's talk about how damaging traditonal masculinit /machismo are to queer men all around the world. As much as I personally dislike religion sometimes it's actually not about that. Or maybe as I said earlier, he could do something that is more of a general critique of religious homophobia. It just feels like low hanging fruit for a pop star to be satirising Christianity again. Tired, done etc. I totally agree with you, yeah. There's a lot more that he could work with honestly and I really hope he does because we desperately need a gay pop boy like him. I'm not even a stan per se (I enjoy like...5 songs from him) but I'm still willing to support and rally behind him Pop-star-satirising-Christianity is indeed very common in pop culture to the point where some takes now feel stale, but I think he's just doing in reference to his childhood + mostly to get back at all the religious protests he faced during his last era. They're still giving him the attention and he's an ex-stan twitter & ATRL troll so... 1 minute ago, superben said: This is what he's doing with Catholicism Which is why I said I have no problem with him doing religious imagery, but rather his take on it. He could do much better than cosplaying as Satan, giving the devil a lap dance, or portraying himself as Jesus / Jesus Transformer (this one is good I'm ngl though. it still feels somewhat powerful and you just know how those maniacs lose it when they see Jesus as anything other than a white blonde man ). It feels like he's just getting back at them after they tried iT with Montero, and I hope in the future he addresses his religious past differently.
Gesi Posted January 9 Posted January 9 22 hours ago, Raver said: Should've gone for another religion like islam Now that will give him a lot of attention, but also could put your life in danger
Monkey_Juice Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Let's be honest his music isn't innovative, so he has to use these tactics for attention He's also making it hard for gay artists to be taken seriously by focusing more on gimmicks then quality music. 1
GreatestLoveofAll Posted January 9 Posted January 9 So on a personal level, I dont really like the who blasphemy thing. took me forever to appreciate Montero the song and I still havent seen the video to this day. Idk how much imma like this one since its title is even more crazy but at the same time the amount of outrage and mess from yall is just odd.
Relampago. Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 1/8/2024 at 12:27 PM, Sheep said: Did right wing religious nut jobs ever take their foot off his neck? No. Let him cook, that's one of our own tackling the same systems we fight against in a very public way. This for sure, like I’m gonna be streaming 100% just to try and give a black queer artist some attention cause Lord knows we need to elevate queer POC atm. But in any other circumstance, yeah it’s tired. 2
Damien M Posted January 9 Posted January 9 I'll continue to support him/his art (bc why not?)-- but I will agree that his critiques on religion could be more thoughtful. I take issue with ppl on this site comparing him to straight white women's art tho (Madonna, Gaga). The black gay experience is NOTHING like the pop girls mentioned so WHY would their art be similar? Dummies 1
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