OnlyManInTheWorld Posted March 3 Posted March 3 I believe these are the main reasons that contributed to Demi's loss (starting with the most important one): "Anora" overperformed at the Oscars which became quite obvious when Sean Baker lifted his second trophy. The votes split between two veterans: Demi and Fernanda which made Madison prevail. International voters didn't care that much about Demi's narrative. She's never been as popular internationally as she is in the US. The Academy's aversion towards the horror genre didn't work in Demi's favor. Some voters might have believed Demi had it in the bag so they chose someone else instead. But most of all: they loved "Anora". 1 1
EnigmaticAndroid Posted March 3 Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, Vermillion said: The way Sean being a weird right-winger has been known for a while and nobody said anything all season, even with all the controversies.
Vermillion Posted March 3 Posted March 3 1 minute ago, EnigmaticAndroid said: The way Sean being a weird right-winger has been known for a while and nobody said anything all season, even with all the controversies. His fanbase will probably rebut that by suggesting he wouldn't be depicting trans sex workers in Tangerine if he was MAGA and only followed porn accounts for inspiration (as well as LibsofTikTok) on culture. I've loved all his films and haven't seen other evidence if you were able to dig it up. 2
ctlp27 Posted March 3 Posted March 3 (edited) I really liked Anora but that's too many awards. Demi's narrative was not as strong with international voters I am sure (and no way old males of the industry will reward such a movie or performance as it goes against them), but Mikey was a deserving winner. I wish Male was given as much credit to young talent as Female. Timmy should have won a couple years ago and though I am glad he didn't win for a biopic, I still wanted him to break a record as he has an incomparable run. Brody was excellent in The Brutalist, but getting two oscars with such a career is a bit tragic. I REALLY need the Academy to try to define some rule for Supporting eligibility. I'm over category fraud. How is it fair to those who are actually competing for a REAL supporting act. Cannes has def reclaim his status as the best and main film festival in the world. Their run at the Oscars the last 5/6 years is kinda of crazy. This will def change a lot of the strategy for PR and studios who were scared of launching a movie so early and will dry up Venice and Toronto quite a bit. The Quincy Jones tribute was a mess. Don't tell me you didn't have time for David Lynch (while having Isabella and Lara front row). Same for Michelle, Tony, Shannen and Alain. If you have time to do a double tribute to the great Gene Hackman who died a couple days ago and you drag the show with unfunny bits, you had 3 seconds x 4 times to include them. So disrespectful. Edited March 3 by ctlp27 1 1
Konril Posted March 3 Posted March 3 Still revelling on the fact that Anora actually won and that notable and very vocal OAnoraHs are still basking on their salt. 1 2
EnigmaticAndroid Posted March 3 Posted March 3 3 minutes ago, Vermillion said: His fanbase will probably rebut that by suggesting he wouldn't be depicting trans sex workers in Tangerine if he was MAGA and only followed porn accounts for inspiration (as well as LibsofTikTok) on culture. I've loved all his films and haven't seen other evidence if you were able to dig it up. I know there was other stuff about his Insta following the woke mind virus and stuff. And before likes were removed he was caught liking right-wing tweets iirc. I still enjoy his films for what they are, but it's stuff that's definitely left a weird taste in my mouth. And I think there's something to be said about his films coming back around to right-wing tropes in a sense- the hood and druggie trans prostitutes in LA, the broke mom living off of handouts who refuses to work and can't raise a child, the immoral and dangerous pornstar, the young woman who sells her body and doesn't think things through, etc. 1
KKW Posted March 3 Posted March 3 6 hours ago, kimberly said: I am not going to go back and forth about the problems I have with Anora's screenwriting, depiction of women and sex workers, and lack of editing. because I've done it a lot a couple weeks ago in this thread. It's not very hard to see, as a woman, how Hollywood treats women and marginalized stories as outsiders that rarely get the celebration they deserve UNLESS a white man is helming the film. Emilia Perez, Anora, and The Substance, Barbie, Promising Young Woman are examples of this. Coralie Fargeat being the 9th woman EVER to be nominated in director in the last 97 years is a win in and of itself, I guess. we have a long way to go. I will say this has been a problem for me too (most particularly with Barbie). The way everyone suddenly turned on it during awards season for Oppenheimer and acted like it was a nothing burger of a film was so ??? The irony has not been lost on me that Wicked has been considered the Barbie of this awards cycle and that both films should see the box office as their win like okay… that makes them undeserving of artistic merit and recognition because…? Yet this same logic wasn't applied to Oppenheimer? (I know this didn't win any majors but I kept seeing this throughout this season) Dune 2 still deserved more awards recognition even though it was also a box office hit? It's very telling. 2
est. in 90s Posted March 3 Posted March 3 The past two decades Oscars have mostly rewarded actresses over 40 and 50, so I'm confused by this narrative that they "only" reward the younger actresses when Mikey is only the second actress born in the 90s to win BA. Idk if it's Demi stans coping or- 1
Hector Posted March 3 Posted March 3 18 minutes ago, ctlp27 said: I really liked Anora but that's too many awards. Demi's narrative was not as strong with international voters I am sure (and no way old males of the industry will reward such a movie or performance as it goes against them), but Mikey was a deserving winner. I wish Male was given as much credit to young talent as Female. Timmy should have won a couple years ago and though I am glad he didn't win for a biopic, I still wanted him to break a record as he has an incomparable run. Brody was excellent in The Brutalist, but getting two oscars with such a career is a bit tragic. Truly the male Hilary Swank. 1
fridayteenage Posted March 3 Posted March 3 I wonder how Emilia Jones feels. since Covid: nomadland - lead win EEAAO - lead win oppenheimer - lead win Anora - lead win coda - lead mia
KKW Posted March 3 Posted March 3 I'm reading through the pages I missed and I'm crying at #that user still going throughout the night
ATRL Moderator supaspaz Posted March 3 ATRL Moderator Posted March 3 7 minutes ago, est. in 90s said: The past two decades Oscars have mostly rewarded actresses over 40 and 50, so I'm confused by this narrative that they "only" reward the younger actresses when Mikey is only the second actress born in the 90s to win BA. Idk if it's Demi stans coping or- It’s cope. That’s why they all keep repeating the same trite sentiment that “this is literally the plot of The Substance!” The Academy used to love crowning an ingenue, but it hasn’t been the way in a long time. At the end of the day, the performance from the movie that voters liked more overall won out. Anora nearly swept its nominations. It’s fairly straightforward. 2
Green Posted March 3 Posted March 3 29 minutes ago, est. in 90s said: The past two decades Oscars have mostly rewarded actresses over 40 and 50, so I'm confused by this narrative that they "only" reward the younger actresses when Mikey is only the second actress born in the 90s to win BA. Idk if it's Demi stans coping or- Only 4 actresses in her 60s have won Oscars in the last 26 years: Helen Mirren, Meryl, Frances (x2) and Michelle Yeoh Demi Moore is 62. Most winners for Best Actress are usually under 40 However her film genre probably hurt her more than her age and of course Anora winning almost everything except for Supporting Actor Also I feel like there are lot of "Harveys" in the industry so I'm sure they didn't like the main subject of The Substance that much 4
WildAmerican Posted March 3 Posted March 3 42 minutes ago, EnigmaticAndroid said: The way Sean being a weird right-winger has been known for a while and nobody said anything all season, even with all the controversies. his movies are the way they are tho, so this has never made sense to me
Lovett Posted March 3 Posted March 3 19 minutes ago, est. in 90s said: The past two decades Oscars have mostly rewarded actresses over 40 and 50, so I'm confused by this narrative that they "only" reward the younger actresses when Mikey is only the second actress born in the 90s to win BA. Idk if it's Demi stans coping or- Since 2000, the award has been given to; eight women in their 20s, seven women in their 30s, four women in their 40s, two women in their 50s and five women in their 60s (two of those being Frances McDormand). The category clearly favours younger actresses more than it does older actresses. 1 1
Riverbank Posted March 3 Posted March 3 I think it's moreso due to the fact that this year was kind of weak than people at the Academy just loving Anora. And I don't say this as a hater, it's just that it isn't really a typical Oscar-bait kind of movie, nor is it a critical masterpiece, or even a box office hit. I actually feel like I must've been out of the loop during this awards season for a bit because I remember when the movie wasn't even on anyone's radar, and whenever it was brought up as a serious contender, it was mostly Mikey's performance... then it started getting all this buzz out of nowhere Best Editing and Screenplay wins felt super random too. Anora is a very simple, straightforward story, and the editing wasn't anything to write home about. Idk it just feels weird to see Sean walk away with a record breaking amount of wins for a movie that wouldn't even be taken in consideration in most other years, let alone sweep 2 4
fridayteenage Posted March 3 Posted March 3 Just now, Riverbank said: I think it's moreso due to the fact that this year was kind of weak than people at the Academy just loving Anora. And I don't say this as a hater, it's just that it isn't really a typical Oscar-bait kind of movie, nor is it a critical masterpiece Metascore this decade: 91 Anora 90 Oppenheimer 87 Nomadland 81 EEAAO 72 Coda
ATRL Moderator supaspaz Posted March 3 ATRL Moderator Posted March 3 13 minutes ago, Green said: Only 4 actresses in her 60s have won Oscars in the last 26 years: Helen Mirren, Meryl, Frances (x2) and Michelle Yeoh And two of them were in the four years immediately preceding this ceremony. This is way more of an Olivia Colman beating Glenn Close situation. 1 3
est. in 90s Posted March 3 Posted March 3 16 minutes ago, supaspaz said: It's cope. That's why they all keep repeating the same trite sentiment that "this is literally the plot of The Substance!" The Academy used to love crowning an ingenue, but it hasn't been the way in a long time. At the end of the day, the performance from the movie that voters liked more overall won out. Anora nearly swept its nominations. It's fairly straightforward. It's odd they're trying the ageism angle and "the substance playing out in real life" when it doesn't really work with Demi. They're better off sticking to the genre bias argument and even that doesn't quite work either cause the film and Demi still got more love than Toni Collette or Lupita ever did.
EnigmaticAndroid Posted March 3 Posted March 3 20 minutes ago, WildAmerican said: his movies are the way they are tho, so this has never made sense to me I dont necessarily disagree, but it's honestly the type of hypocritical contradiction inherent to American conservatism. 1
JoJo Posted March 3 Posted March 3 The hate against Mikey makes no sense. I mean, why are people comparing her to Gwyneth Paltrow, who only won because of Harvey Weinstein? Anora won the Palme d'Or, and Mikey was winning the majority of the critics' awards before Demi won the Golden Globe. Mikey led the race for most of the season. International voters clearly didn't care about Demi's performance, as shown by her BAFTA loss. Recent BAFTA losers/Oscar winners like Michelle Yeoh were strong enough to overcome it because they were in stronger films. Anora was the stronger film (the strongest film. It won BP). 3
WildAmerican Posted March 3 Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, EnigmaticAndroid said: I dont necessarily disagree, but it's honestly the type of hypocritical contradiction inherent to American conservatism. totally true. i just think there may be a reason for it? like doing research for screenwriting or something dd I don't want it to be true lol
Komet Posted March 3 Posted March 3 I sat out this whole season once I clocked circa Venice that there'll be barely anything worthy giving af about and tbh I'm glad. This'll be remember as one of the weaker years, not necessary bad but noneventful. Sad that Demi lost simply because this felt like a unique time to reward her, and esp for a movie about ageism and impossible standards. Marketing The Substance as a body horror popcorn flick instead of artsy-fartsy psych thriller with social commentary was a mistake since the academy is filled with losers, but alas. Conclave as a BP could've been cute but that was lowkey never happening. I got to say tho that TiMETHy Charlatan losing for that trite biopic bait role filled me with JOY! Not today Satan! 2
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