Tm4074 Posted January 17 Posted January 17 41 minutes ago, Selegend said: do we have any idea of what % of the Oscars Voters are from the USA and what % are international? I don't think AMPAS released exact figures recently but more than half of the international bloc are British. However in the past couple of years they have been leaning more international with the new members joining. We saw this with some of the nominees last year and BAFTA being a strong predictor for the winners. The year before SAG was the better predictor, we don't know how they will lean this year. 1
kimberly Posted January 17 Posted January 17 1 hour ago, Selegend said: but when i listen to Jacques, i couldn't help it but agree. does it have to give people answers? does it have to "resonate well" with people that are, now, complaining? what about movies just leaving questions? isn't this a huge part of what cinema is about? it's not a documentary. leaving people intrigued is something emilia perez def. has done, from the way they portrayed the trans story of Emilia in a 100% unique way to it's cultural aspect. a movie is a piece of art, the art clicked with u at first and online conversation is making u hate it? the art has done it job when u first watched it. everything after it it's not the movie itself, it's people interpretation of it. there are valid criticism, but at the same time there's people that didn't even get that emilia portraided as a saint was ironic. there's even people that think "bienvenida" was translated wrong cuz they haven't watch the movie. there's different takes all the time, what's matter is how u felt watching it. I'm glad his word salad non-apology resonated with you the movie doesn't need to be a documentary to handle its subjects (Mexican people, victims of gang violence, trans women in particular) with more care. and you are terribly wrong in your idea of media/art consumption. it's never a "one-and-done" thing. of course I thought about the movie more and read about it after watching it to develop a more nuanced opinion on it? there's always layers to art that you won't consider in the moment. 1
Selegend Posted January 17 Posted January 17 (edited) 13 minutes ago, kimberly said: I'm glad his word salad non-apology resonated with you the movie doesn't need to be a documentary to handle its subjects (Mexican people, victims of gang violence, trans women in particular) with more care. and you are terribly wrong in your idea of media/art consumption. it's never a "one-and-done" thing. of course I thought about the movie more and read about it after watching it to develop a more nuanced opinion on it? there's always layers to art that you won't consider in the moment. His non-apology didn't resonate with me cuz i dont even think its a proper apology nor it should be, i just used the Tweet cuz i didnt find the video anywhere else. I 80% agree with that he said tho and thats why i brought it here. For me, just the fact that a person was ebtertained and intrigued enough to keep thinking about it later means the art, when the person watched it, has done its job. It left u with questions. But okay, i don't wanna argue. its different for each person, just my opinion. Sorry i quoted u, i could've just wrote what i think without @ ur new opinion, cuz its yours, its fine! Edited January 17 by Selegend
Selegend Posted January 17 Posted January 17 25 minutes ago, Tm4074 said: I don't think AMPAS released exact figures recently but more than half of the international bloc are British. However in the past couple of years they have been leaning more international with the new members joining. We saw this with some of the nominees last year and BAFTA being a strong predictor for the winners. The year before SAG was the better predictor, we don't know how they will lean this year. Interesting. Thank u!
Tm4074 Posted January 17 Posted January 17 8 minutes ago, fridayteenage said: Why, because you said so? We had three under 40 a whopping one year ago And also three years ago. No not because I said so because Qualley, Barbaro, and Gomez are all fringe contenders that will be coattail nominees. Only one of them will get in based on the precursors so far. Jones will be a coattail nominee as well but she's a previous nominee. Okay fine they aren't nominating 3 actresses under 35, better? Danielle Brooks was the youngest last year and she was 34. Grande is 31, Gomez is 32, Qualley is 30, and Barbaro is 34. I don't see 3 of them getting in and the category skewing that young. What are the stats on this because from memory I don't think it happens often but I could be wrong. That's why I'm confident with Rossellini getting in and probably JLC too. You can disagree though, these are just predictions. 1
Hector Posted January 17 Posted January 17 (edited) Guild Of Music Supervisors Award Nominations (Original Song Oscar precursor): Best Song Written and/or Recorded for a Film "The Idea of You" – 'The Idea of You' Songwriters: Carl Falk, Savan Kotecha, Albin Nedler Performers: Anne-Marie, Nicholas Galitzine Music Supervisor: Frankie Pine "The Journey" – 'The Six Triple Eight' Songwriter: Diane Warren Performer: H.E.R. Music Supervisor: Joel C. High "Kiss the Sky" – 'The Wild Robot' Songwriters: Delacey, Jordan Johnson, Stefan Johnson, Maren Morris, Michael Pollack, Ali Tamposi Performer: Maren Morris Music Supervisor: Natalie Hayden "Like a Bird" – 'Sing Sing' Songwriters: Abraham Alexander, Brandon Marcel, Adrian Quesada Performers: Abraham Alexander, Adrian Quesada Music Supervisor: Dan Wilcox "Out of Oklahoma" – 'Twisters' Songwriters: Luke Dick, Shane McAnally, Lainey Wilson Performer: Lainey Wilson Music Supervisor: Rachel Levy "Why I'm Here" – 'Shirley' Songwriters: Samara Joy, Paul Sylvester Morton Jr. Performer: Samara Joy Music Supervisor: Madonna Wade-Reed Edited January 17 by Hector
Hector Posted January 17 Posted January 17 Online Film Critics Society Award Nominations: Spoiler Best Picture Anora The Brutalist Challengers Conclave Dune: Part Two I Saw the TV Glow Nickel Boys Nosferatu The Substance Wicked Best Animated Feature Flow Inside Out 2 Memoir of a Snail Wallace & Gromit: Vengeance Most Fowl The Wild Robot Best Directing: Sean Baker – Anora Brady Corbet – The Brutalist Coralie Fargeat – The Substance RaMell Ross – Nickel Boys Denis Villeneuve – Dune: Part Two Best Actor Adrien Brody – The Brutalist Timothée Chalamet – A Complete Unknown Colman Domingo – Sing Sing Ralph Fiennes – Conclave Sebastian Stan – A Different Man Best Actress Cynthia Erivo – Wicked Marianne Jean-Baptiste – Hard Truths Mikey Madison – Anora Demi Moore – The Substance Fernanda Torres – I'm Still Here Best Supporting Actor Yura Borisov – Anora Kieran Culkin – A Real Pain Clarence Maclin – Sing Sing Edward Norton – A Complete Unknown Guy Pearce – The Brutalist Best Supporting Actress Aunjanue Ellis-Taylor – Nickel Boys Ariana Grande-Butera – Wicked Margaret Qualley – The Substance Isabella Rossellini – Conclave Zoe Saldaña – Emilia Pérez Best Original Screenplay Anora The Brutalist Challengers A Real Pain The Substance Best Adapted Screenplay Conclave Dune: Part Two Nickel Boys Nosferatu Sing Sing Best Editing Anora Challengers Dune: Part Two Nickel Boys The Substance Best Cinematography The Brutalist Conclave Dune: Part Two Nickel Boys Nosferatu Best Original Score The Brutalist Challengers Conclave Dune: Part Two The Wild Robot Best Production Design The Brutalist Dune: Part Two Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga Nosferatu Wicked Best Costume Design Conclave Dune: Part Two Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga Nosferatu Wicked Best Visual Effects Dune: Part Two Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes The Substance Wicked Best Debut Feature Annie Baker – Janet Planet India Donaldson – Good One Vera Drew – The People's Joker Anna Kendrick – Woman of the Hour Josh Margolin – Thelma Best Film Not in the English Language All We Imagine as Light Emilia Pérez Flow I'm Still Here The Seed of the Sacred Fig Best Documentary Dahomey Daughters Soundtrack to a Coup d'Etat Sugarcane Will & Harper 1
Tm4074 Posted January 17 Posted January 17 25 minutes ago, Hector said: Guild Of Music Supervisors Award Nominations (Original Song Oscar precursor): Best Song Written and/or Recorded for a Film "The Idea of You" – 'The Idea of You' Songwriters: Carl Falk, Savan Kotecha, Albin Nedler Performers: Anne-Marie, Nicholas Galitzine Music Supervisor: Frankie Pine "The Journey" – 'The Six Triple Eight' Songwriter: Diane Warren Performer: H.E.R. Music Supervisor: Joel C. High "Kiss the Sky" – 'The Wild Robot' Songwriters: Delacey, Jordan Johnson, Stefan Johnson, Maren Morris, Michael Pollack, Ali Tamposi Performer: Maren Morris Music Supervisor: Natalie Hayden "Like a Bird" – 'Sing Sing' Songwriters: Abraham Alexander, Brandon Marcel, Adrian Quesada Performers: Abraham Alexander, Adrian Quesada Music Supervisor: Dan Wilcox "Out of Oklahoma" – 'Twisters' Songwriters: Luke Dick, Shane McAnally, Lainey Wilson Performer: Lainey Wilson Music Supervisor: Rachel Levy "Why I'm Here" – 'Shirley' Songwriters: Samara Joy, Paul Sylvester Morton Jr. Performer: Samara Joy Music Supervisor: Madonna Wade-Reed No EP songs? Interesting. The minor weak spot for EP seems to be the American guilds. Selena missed SAG, missed the ASC nomination for cinematography with 7 slots, and now the original songs missed this nomination. It's not over performing like it is with international awards bodies. We'll see how influential the international bloc really is this year if EP overperforms with nominations. 1
Hector Posted January 17 Posted January 17 4 minutes ago, Tm4074 said: No EP songs? Interesting. The minor weak spot for EP seems to be the American guilds. Selena missed SAG, missed the ASC nomination for cinematography with 7 slots, and now the original songs missed this nomination. It's not over performing like it is with international awards bodies. We'll see how influential the international bloc really is this year if EP overperforms with nominations. Yeah, that surprised me too since 4 of the songs nominated here made the Oscar Original Song shortlist except for Why I'm Here from Shirley & the title track from The Idea Of You. Diane Warren going to get her umpteenth nomination with another song that has no chance of winning 1 1
fridayteenage Posted January 17 Posted January 17 Florence and Margot were 20 somethings and Scarlett just turned 35 I don't think there's any bias against women 30-34 I'm also not predicting three, but I don't see that as a reason why based on data
Antisocialites Posted January 17 Posted January 17 (edited) not that I would defend Emilia Pérez, it's a f*cking mess even more so in its formal aspects than its thematic ones, but it's a film about fictitious human beings. it's not a film that talks about trans women or Mexican people as a whole. Jacques Audiard doesn't owe anyone a different film or the film that the audience wants to see. just as the public can massively openly hate it, Audiard can simply make it with whatever codes and rules he wants. Edited January 17 by Antisocialites 8 1
kimberly Posted January 17 Posted January 17 2 hours ago, Antisocialites said: not that I would defend Emilia Pérez, it's a f*cking mess even more so in its formal aspects than its thematic ones, but it's a film about fictitious human beings. it's not a film that talks about trans women or Mexican people as a whole. Jacques Audiard doesn't owe anyone a different film or the film that the audience wants to see. just as the public can massively openly hate it, Audiard can simply make it with whatever codes and rules he wants. eh, then make it a fictional place? it is quite problematic for a French man to make a movie that takes place in "Mexico City" without even trying to learn about the place, hire actors who do not at all sound Mexican to play the roles, then say "there were no talented actors we could hire in Mexico" as a slap in the face. it's outrageous. Audiard can and did make whatever he wants. it's also getting accolades exclusively from majority white and European voting bodies, who are patting themselves on the back for being "progressive" and creaming their pants at the thought of rewarding it. and that's what is causing the backlash — not the mere existence of the movie. bad movies, and worse movies than Emilia Pérez, smash at the box office every year. but you don't see It Ends With Us getting 10 nominations and 4 wins anywhere. 1 2
ultraviolence.xx Posted January 17 Posted January 17 15 minutes ago, kimberly said: it is quite problematic for a French man to make a movie that takes place in "Mexico City" without even trying to learn about the place, hire actors who do not at all sound Mexican to play the roles, then say "there were no talented actors we could hire in Mexico" as a slap in the face. it's outrageous. reminds me of what happened with American Dirt (book) a few years back
kimberly Posted January 17 Posted January 17 6 minutes ago, ultraviolence.xx said: reminds me of what happened with American Dirt (book) a few years back I have not read the book but it does sound like a similar scenario. The thing is, that book was not shortlisted for the Booker Prize or the Pulitzer or Women's Prize for Fiction... it was just a controversial yet popular release, promoted by Oprah. I am of the mind that everyone can tell one another's stories, even those you weren't familiar with, but they need to be well-executed. 1
choerry Posted January 18 Posted January 18 6 hours ago, Tm4074 said: Supporting Actress being the most interesting and chaotic category. I knew they weren't going to nominate more than two actresses under 40 so with Ariana locked it's Qualley vs. Gomez. vs Barbaro for that spot (or all of them miss). I'm rooting for Qualley but the BAFTA/SAG snub really hurt her chances. ACU is peaking at the right time so Barbaro can sneak in if they love ACU. Gomez will need to coattail her movie but she hasn't made a line-up of 5 and it seems the American guilds aren't as crazy about EP as the international awards bodies like GG and BAFTA were. I don't see how she gets enough #1 or #2 votes since Saldaña will definitely be the beneficiary of the EP lovefest in that category. Qualley I can see getting those passion votes but again BAFTA/SAG snubs show that may not be enough. Then we have Deadwyler who made SAG but is in a weak film and will be a lone nominee. 1. Saldaña (locked 2. Grande (locked) 3. Rossellini 4. JLC 5. Jones ---- 6. Gomez 7. Qualley I'm leaning Bárbaro over Jones, but as a Selena stan I am unabashedly crossing my fingers that she might get recognized. It's crazy she's in a leading BP contender and is on the bubble of a nomination, and i'm so happy for her. 1 1
Selegend Posted January 18 Posted January 18 9 minutes ago, choerry said: I'm leaning Bárbaro over Jones, but as a Selena stan I am unabashedly crossing my fingers that she might get recognized. It's crazy she's in a leading BP contender and is on the bubble of a nomination, and i'm so happy for her. I think its unlikely that Bárbaro gets it over Jones. But after Ariana and Zoe everything is just second guessing imo. And YESSS about Selener. 1
Dark Miracles Posted January 18 Posted January 18 16 hours ago, Hector said: Songwriters: Luke Dick, Shane McAnally I'm sorry... 1 2
Dark Miracles Posted January 18 Posted January 18 8 hours ago, Hector said: Some interesting tea being spilled: JLC is a crazy brown-noser behind the scenes there's no other explanation 1
Donquizote Posted January 18 Posted January 18 We will have many nepo babies get nominated in Supporting Actress this year. Qualley, Rosselini, and Curtis Next year nepo baby Mia Threapleton will compete for Supporting Actress
Donquizote Posted January 18 Posted January 18 And don't forget that Torres is another nepo baby who will get nominated in Lead Actress
ariananext Posted January 18 Posted January 18 15 hours ago, kimberly said: "there were no talented actors we could hire in Mexico" oh my
fridayteenage Posted January 18 Posted January 18 gomez comparisons, globe + Bafta + sag ensemble: ellis-taylor, Richard - nominated Streep, adaptation - nominated Smith, gosford - nominated hmm. only 3 comparison points in 3 decades. they did all make it in, but not a large sample size. 1
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