Riot Posted January 5 Posted January 5 2 minutes ago, Fading said: Well... the Globes are not decided anymore by 80 people who live in Hollywood. If there's one thing they don't want is that energy lol Bring corruption back then tf 5
NoAngelus Posted January 5 Posted January 5 12 hours ago, Fading said: The movie is acclaimed and the industry wanna do some kind of legacy act recogniton But can they at least wait for a role where she actually does something? Her being contender literally exposes Hollywood and awards season because they literally agreed to nominate/award her based on nothing. It's an insult to actually deserving actors and actresses who are not recognized for their work.
NoAngelus Posted January 5 Posted January 5 11 hours ago, DanyelP23 said: We'll she's less of a (category) fraud than Saldana, Grande, Qualley or even Deadwyler who can arguably be seen as co-leads or full-on leads going supporting. The fact is she's campaigning very hard, has the narrative of being THEE nepo-baby-royalty who has never been rewarded before by the Academy for her work and is in a movie likely to make it in other categories as well. The discussion of category fraud is much more prevalent in online spaces/easier to take off in Critics spaces, which would explain why she shows up in so many regional critics awards as a nom. The Golden Globes were always gonna nominate her provided she showed up to some of her events, and the Critics Choice mostly want to predict the Oscars. Well at least those you named contributed to their movies and earned their right to be considered. She didn't do anything in this movie. She has one scene where she speaks full sentence and that's it. I don't understand how is this not talked about? I don't remember someone this undeserving ever being in the picture for an award. And like I said, nothing against her, I liked her in the past in Blue Velvet, Death becomes her, Alias etc. But this is a joke.
NoAngelus Posted January 5 Posted January 5 8 hours ago, EnigmaticAndroid said: While she probably wouldn't be in my Top 5, Rossellini does a genuinely great job with a role and delivers a ton with a little. Her presence and silent acting is integral to the film. Its a deserving supporting turn. You're kidding right?
NoAngelus Posted January 5 Posted January 5 (edited) 3 hours ago, Riot said: The Globes need to keep the same energy that they had when the gave Best Actress to Madonna with Ariana 3 hours ago, Donquizote said: Then Madonna got SNUBBED Madonna gave birth before movie premiered so she missed whole awards season. Remember that back in the day Hollywood kept rejecting musicians. Unlike now. She didn't campaign while Ariana started her campaign long time ago, I mean she even has PR team active 24/7 removing negative tweets and posts online. Madonna's nom was organic surprise because she carried the whole movie and turned it into global success with Broadway classic topping charts around the world - something that was not expected. And keep in mind it's full on musical, without talking part, so it was not commercial like Wicked. Once she became nominated her winning was not that shocking because her biggest obstacle was nomination and she had a lot of hype. But she ofc missed whole season outside of GG and didn't campaign so she wasn't serious contender outside Globes. She was instead recording Ray of light in London. Edited January 5 by NoAngelus
DanyelP23 Posted January 5 Posted January 5 1 hour ago, NoAngelus said: Well at least those you named contributed to their movies and earned their right to be considered. She didn't do anything in this movie. She has one scene where she speaks full sentence and that's it. I don't understand how is this not talked about? I don't remember someone this undeserving ever being in the picture for an award. And like I said, nothing against her, I liked her in the past in Blue Velvet, Death becomes her, Alias etc. But this is a joke. Jacki Weaver in Silver Linings Playbook? I saw the film way back but I remember being a lot of talk of her not doing much of anything and then getting in. 2 1
Green Posted January 5 Posted January 5 4 hours ago, NoAngelus said: Well at least those you named contributed to their movies and earned their right to be considered. She didn't do anything in this movie. She has one scene where she speaks full sentence and that's it. I don't understand how is this not talked about? I don't remember someone this undeserving ever being in the picture for an award. And like I said, nothing against her, I liked her in the past in Blue Velvet, Death becomes her, Alias etc. But this is a joke. Judd Hirsch was literally nominated 2 years ago for 8 minutes in The Fabelmans (he was in 5% of his film) And Judy Dench WON for 5 minutes in Shakespeare in Love 2
fridayteenage Posted January 5 Posted January 5 out of curiosity, recent Wikipedia views, which doesn't really matter since awards aren't just about famous successful things, but to see where their profiles are at with the GP Cynthia 1114k Nicole 600k Angelina 545k Mikey 540k Demi 483k Zendaya 407k Kate 369k Amy 356k Pamela 316k Saoirse 301k Karla 294k Tilda 244k Marisa 65k Marianne 46k Fernanda 21k Mikey doing pretty well I'd say for a breakout with zero awards experience in a film that's indie-level hit but not a smash.
hausofdave Posted January 5 Posted January 5 the M/C winner will probably be this year's Oscar winner.
KylieistBoi Posted January 5 Posted January 5 I watched Lee today, Winslet would be totally deserving of a nomination. More than Kidman on Babygirl for sure. I really wouldn't be surprised if Winslet won the Globe today. Though I think Angelina Jolie has the best performance in that category 1
NoAngelus Posted January 5 Posted January 5 2 hours ago, Green said: Judd Hirsch was literally nominated 2 years ago for 8 minutes in The Fabelmans (he was in 5% of his film) And Judy Dench WON for 5 minutes in Shakespeare in Love I didn't see those movies, can you tell me if at least they had some kind of flashy scenes to justify those wins?
Donquizote Posted January 5 Posted January 5 It's called supporting, not co-lead. Rosselini is the true example of supporting though
Donquizote Posted January 5 Posted January 5 NGNG, Queen Winslet wins TV Actress for The Regime tonight and gives a very inspirational and strong speech that makes AMPAS members want to nominate her for Lee 1
NoAngelus Posted January 5 Posted January 5 8 minutes ago, Donquizote said: It's called supporting, not co-lead. Rosselini is the true example of supporting though I know what supporting means, thank you. Few minutes of screen time here is less of an issue than her not actually doing anything in this movie. 1
DanyelP23 Posted January 5 Posted January 5 22 minutes ago, NoAngelus said: I didn't see those movies, can you tell me if at least they had some kind of flashy scenes to justify those wins? Dench was donned in full-on make-up, hair and costume and played Queen Elisabeth I. She had some scenes with Paltrow, nothing ultra-dramatic, but she was a PRESENCE and if I remember correctly she gave Paltrow's character some "guidance" at the right moment in the film. She was freshly coming off of a lead nom with Mrs. Brown a year before, and was in a 90s Harvey Weinstein backed Best Picture winner. 1 1
R.E.M. Posted January 5 Posted January 5 Supporting Actress this year is giving major Kristen Dunst vs. Ariana Debose flashbacks with the former being a front-runner in the category (with an 'overdue veteran' narrative). Category fraud aside, I think Saldana was great but Ariana gave the more dynamic/compelling performance and should win. I don't understand where the 'she's due for recognition' rhetoric for Saldana is coming from when her noteworthy projects are all popcorn movies (e.g., Avatar, Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy)
Almodusa Posted January 5 Author Posted January 5 So just finished Emilia Peréz Well it definitely got better after 20 minutes, but the random singing I knew it was a musical but most songs felt unnecessary. Saldana definitely felt like the lead, with the film's title feeling like the only reason she's not getting that placement. Selena wasn't bad but she should be nowhere near awards consideration. 6.5/10
Bhabylon Posted January 5 Posted January 5 I feel like Ariana's got it in the bag, but I think Saldana's role had more depth to it which she delivered imo
Feanor Posted January 5 Posted January 5 Predictions for tonight: Drama: Conclave | Chalamet | Kidman Comedy/Musical: Anora | Grant | Madison Director & Screenplay: Anora | Conclave Supporting: Culkin | Grande Non-English, Animated & Box Office: Emilia Perez | The Wild Robot | Wicked Score & Song: Challengers | one of the Emilia Perez songs
kimberly Posted January 5 Posted January 5 1 hour ago, R.E.M. said: I don't understand where the 'she's due for recognition' rhetoric for Saldana is coming from when her noteworthy projects are all popcorn movies (e.g., Avatar, Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy) I agree. I think the "... is due" narrative works when someone has been doing Oscar-level work for a long time, maybe got nominated or came close a few times before. Saldaña may be an industry veteran but she's never done anything worthy of recognition here. She's not really owed anything. 2
DanyelP23 Posted January 5 Posted January 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, R.E.M. said: Supporting Actress this year is giving major Kristen Dunst vs. Ariana Debose flashbacks with the former being a front-runner in the category (with an 'overdue veteran' narrative). Category fraud aside, I think Saldana was great but Ariana gave the more dynamic/compelling performance and should win. I don't understand where the 'she's due for recognition' rhetoric for Saldana is coming from when her noteworthy projects are all popcorn movies (e.g., Avatar, Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy) 22 minutes ago, kimberly said: I agree. I think the "... is due" narrative works when someone has been doing Oscar-level work for a long time, maybe got nominated or came close a few times before. Saldaña may be an industry veteran but she's never done anything worthy of recognition here. She's not really owed anything. Sometimes all it takes is goodwill from peers in the industry + a strong overall contender. Saldana would not be winning critic awards or predicted as the frontrunner if Emilia Perez was not a BP/all across the board contender. In a way Saldana has "the veteran status" of Dunst (minus the iconic performances) plus an even stronger BP contender than West Side Story (provided the industry continues to respond to it at PGA/DGA) or Power of the Dog. The thing about Ariana is that there is also the next year in which she can be awarded, though we can't know exactly how much that would factor in the voter's minds. Also, Emilia Perez is also considered a musical, correct? The only advantage Wicked has is that it did better at the box office. Edited January 5 by DanyelP23 1
Donquizote Posted January 5 Posted January 5 Globes red carpet now Someone should open a separate thread for Golden Globes
ariananext Posted January 5 Posted January 5 (edited) I'm not very positive about Ariana because she may feel too new to the industry and her pop star fame could get in the way. I feel like they won't award her so easily. Then again I don't understand anything about this industry as I've never followed it closely before Wicked so fingers crossed! It's been fun to keep up anyways and I can't wait for the looks lol. Also earlier I was wondering, are the Oscars the only ones with performances? To guess where Ariana and Cynthia could sing. Edited January 5 by ariananext
kimberly Posted January 5 Posted January 5 2 minutes ago, ariananext said: Also earlier I was wondering, are the Oscars the only ones with performances? To guess where Ariana and Cynthia could sing. Oscars usually only have "Best Original Song" nominees perform + in memoriam or tributes. So don't expect Wicked live performances this year, but for For Good apparently they will each have original songs. 2
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