Communion Posted January 4 Posted January 4 On 1/2/2024 at 2:06 PM, Communion said: Anyone happy about this is either a far-right nazi who saw this as a culture war issue and inherently viewed her as unqualified because she wad black or is a far-right Zionist who supports the genocide of the Palestinians by Israel. All the far-rightists who downvoted this can personally DM me an apology and retraction for their reactionary dislike, thank you! 4 2
dawnettakins Posted January 4 Posted January 4 (edited) All the actual, legitimate problems in the world, and there's all kinds of focus being put on and controversy over this. Edited January 4 by dawnettakins 2
Psyduck Posted January 4 Posted January 4 (edited) She was an obvious PR diversity affirmative action hire. Next time hire someone competent. There are LOTS of competent black women out there. They were dumb enough to hire one that wasn't. Edited January 4 by Psyduck 2 1
Delirious Posted January 4 Posted January 4 At the end of the day, are we surprised someone from Harvard would be this problematic & low when they're the uni notoriously known for rejecting Asian people simply for being Asian? The whole uni's reputation has gone DOWN the drain and this is exactly what I like to see! 1
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted January 4 ATRL Moderator Posted January 4 17 hours ago, Psyduck said: She was an obvious PR diversity affirmative action hire. Next time hire someone competent. There are LOTS of competent black women out there. They were dumb enough to hire one that wasn't. Please, explain what specifically made her an "obvious PR diversity affirmative action hire"? What is it about Dr. Gay's academic credentials that you find lacking? 1
Communion Posted January 6 Posted January 6 The billionaire loser leading the anti-Palestine witch hunt has a wife who just got exposed as being a plagiarist professor herself. 1
VOSS Posted January 6 Author Posted January 6 I guess plagiarism will be a big media topic these next few months
Communion Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Not him crying on the TL that it's wrong to judge his wife for copying + pasting from WIKIPEDIA as an MIT STUDENT?? And then looking at his TL and RT's and... oop, there it is. "absurd ideas... men can become women" "DEI IS DISCRIMINATION" = "WOKENESS IS A MIND VIRUS" = "TRANS PEOPLE SHOULDN'T EXIST" 2
folkhoax Posted January 8 Posted January 8 On 1/4/2024 at 5:43 PM, Bloo said: Please, explain what specifically made her an "obvious PR diversity affirmative action hire"? What is it about Dr. Gay's academic credentials that you find lacking? She has <20 published papers. Professors of her rank usually have >100 at this point. Her h-index is a lowly 10. Imagine having that few papers with the majority of those being a result of plagiarism. Her resignation was not about her being black. It was because of her very poor response to antisemitism questions and her shaky academic integrity. The UPenn president who happens to be white was forced out with much less notoriety.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted January 8 ATRL Moderator Posted January 8 4 hours ago, folkhoax said: She has <20 published papers. Professors of her rank usually have >100 at this point. Her h-index is a lowly 10. Imagine having that few papers with the majority of those being a result of plagiarism. Her resignation was not about her being black. It was because of her very poor response to antisemitism questions and her shaky academic integrity. The UPenn president who happens to be white was forced out with much less notoriety. Umm, professors and university presidents are different roles entirely. There is literally no requirement for university presidents to be esteemed researchers. Universities rely on researchers and academic administrators who excel in educational leadership, not research. Presidents are academic leadership and are not required to be professors. The closest to what you are describing is the chair of an academic department. As an example, Christopher Ludwig Eisgruber, the president of Princeton University (which is consistently ranked above Harvard on the US News ranking, so comparable prestige) has never attained a Ph.D. and doesn't even have a Google Scholar page. Though, to his credit, Christopher has been awarded an honorary doctorate—just like Taylor Swift and several other non-researchers. For an example, refer to this call for applications for a University President position: https://presidentialsearch.wsu.edu/qualities-experience/ In this call, no mention of research experience is mentioned. The word "research" is mentioned, but more as an afterthought (e.g., " high-level leadership position in government or business, with a track record of success in a large, complex research environment"). So long as you are a good manager/leader with a terminal degree, you are eligible to apply for the role of University President. Sure, having a strong research background may make you privy to the mindset needed to think about fundraising and the perspective of faculty. But that's not exactly the a universal or necessary perspective of a university. Faculty are only a part of the university system, which is why presidents are not interchangeable with them because they have such a wider purview. 1
VOSS Posted January 9 Author Posted January 9 This guy has been in full-blown meltdown mode these past few days lmfao 1
Communion Posted January 10 Posted January 10 I didn't even know you could make a 7,000 character tweet. But also, the real story. People who support free speech support the right to support Palestine:
folkhoax Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/8/2024 at 1:53 PM, Bloo said: Umm, professors and university presidents are different roles entirely. There is literally no requirement for university presidents to be esteemed researchers. Universities rely on researchers and academic administrators who excel in educational leadership, not research. Presidents are academic leadership and are not required to be professors. The closest to what you are describing is the chair of an academic department. As an example, Christopher Ludwig Eisgruber, the president of Princeton University (which is consistently ranked above Harvard on the US News ranking, so comparable prestige) has never attained a Ph.D. and doesn't even have a Google Scholar page. Though, to his credit, Christopher has been awarded an honorary doctorate—just like Taylor Swift and several other non-researchers. For an example, refer to this call for applications for a University President position: https://presidentialsearch.wsu.edu/qualities-experience/ In this call, no mention of research experience is mentioned. The word "research" is mentioned, but more as an afterthought (e.g., " high-level leadership position in government or business, with a track record of success in a large, complex research environment"). So long as you are a good manager/leader with a terminal degree, you are eligible to apply for the role of University President. Sure, having a strong research background may make you privy to the mindset needed to think about fundraising and the perspective of faculty. But that's not exactly the a universal or necessary perspective of a university. Faculty are only a part of the university system, which is why presidents are not interchangeable with them because they have such a wider purview. You asked about: Quote What is it about Dr. Gay's academic credentials that you find lacking? And now you're saying we can look past her inadequate academic qualifications. But like you pointed out, inadequate academic qualifications don't matter in the big scheme of things, but reputation is everything. With all the scandals she has brought in (I agree a large part was politicized and sensationalized), it was hard for her to govern anyway. Harvard has also served as a beacon of research and academic integrity, and to have a president with plagiarism accusations is really a bad look. It's political when a certain political party brings in their pitchforks but when the student body itself calls for your resignation, then you know it's really bad.
folkhoax Posted January 10 Posted January 10 18 hours ago, VOSS said: This guy has been in full-blown meltdown mode these past few days lmfao Well, he was pretty successful though in his campaign
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted January 10 ATRL Moderator Posted January 10 1 hour ago, folkhoax said: You asked about: And now you're saying we can look past her inadequate academic qualifications. But like you pointed out, inadequate academic qualifications don't matter in the big scheme of things, but reputation is everything. With all the scandals she has brought in (I agree a large part was politicized and sensationalized), it was hard for her to govern anyway. Harvard has also served as a beacon of research and academic integrity, and to have a president with plagiarism accusations is really a bad look. It's political when a certain political party brings in their pitchforks but when the student body itself calls for your resignation, then you know it's really bad. Yes, I asked a question and you gave an irrelevant answer. Your answer focused on her research metrics when that’s not relevant to the position of a university president because it has nothing to do with research nor does it require direct research experience. Hence, your claim that she’s an obvious DEI hire is, at best, baseless.
folkhoax Posted January 11 Posted January 11 On 1/9/2024 at 10:30 PM, Bloo said: Yes, I asked a question and you gave an irrelevant answer. Your answer focused on her research metrics when that’s not relevant to the position of a university president because it has nothing to do with research nor does it require direct research experience. Hence, your claim that she’s an obvious DEI hire is, at best, baseless. For a supposed academic leader at a professor level, she does have a low output. I have almost the same number of papers and I'm still early in my career. She also had the reputation of bringing down other POCs who disagreed with her during her time as dean. Professors were fired from Harvard for having the wrong opinion, but Here is a woman who thinks calling for genocide is context-dependent. She developed the DEI at Harvard, right? And didn't she start right around the time affirmative action was brought down? She was hired for DEI and she was a bad choice.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted January 11 ATRL Moderator Posted January 11 1 hour ago, folkhoax said: For a supposed academic leader at a professor level, she does have a low output. She was not a professor. Thus, she was not expected to have a comprehensive publication record since it’s not relevant to the job. This is a completely irrelevant point, as I already explained.
Communion Posted January 12 Posted January 12 4 hours ago, folkhoax said: For a supposed academic leader at a professor level, she does have a low output. I have almost the same number of papers and I'm still early in my career. She also had the reputation of bringing down other POCs who disagreed with her during her time as dean. Professors were fired from Harvard for having the wrong opinion, but Here is a woman who thinks calling for genocide is context-dependent. She developed the DEI at Harvard, right? And didn't she start right around the time affirmative action was brought down? She was hired for DEI and she was a bad choice. Suggesting someone's position was rooted in "DEI" because they're a black woman leading the Arts & Science faculty really does become hard to ignore the racist dog whistles.
folkhoax Posted January 12 Posted January 12 29 minutes ago, Communion said: Suggesting someone's position was rooted in "DEI" because they're a black woman leading the Arts & Science faculty really does become hard to ignore the racist dog whistles. At which point did I say that her position was rooted in DEI because she's a black woman? You are so desperate to play the race card here. If it's not lost on you, that's what racists actually do. Gay was responsible for many of the DEI programs in Harvard: https://www.city-journal.org/article/claudine-gays-dei-empire 1 1
folkhoax Posted January 12 Posted January 12 (edited) 3 hours ago, Bloo said: She was not a professor. Thus, she was not expected to have a comprehensive publication record since it’s not relevant to the job. This is a completely irrelevant point, as I already explained. She is literally the: Wilbur A. Cowett Professor of Government and of African and African-American Studies Edited January 12 by folkhoax 1
Communion Posted January 12 Posted January 12 32 minutes ago, folkhoax said: At which point did I say that her position was rooted in DEI because she's a black woman? You are so desperate to play the race card here. If it's not lost on you, that's what racists actually do. Gay was responsible for many of the DEI programs in Harvard: https://www.city-journal.org/article/claudine-gays-dei-empire The article you're citing is literally by Chris Rufo. You're exposing your intentions by citing him. 1
Communion Posted January 12 Posted January 12 (edited) Actually, @folkhoax let's go through this article and see what you're hoping to claim makes someone the head of a "DEI empire": "Commissioned a Task Force on Visual Culture and Signage following the murder of George Floyd" Created a "campus curator" position meant to "promote more public art on campus that reflect Harvard's racial diversity" Recommended the painting of new portraits in *checks notes* student lounges and dining hall areas Recommended updating the FAS tour program with new digital content that could then be accessed via smart phones "Initiated program to 'de-name' any programs at Harvard deemed racist or culturally insensitive" - a project started by her white male predecessor Was president when the FAS website, in various departments, repeated commonly-held viewpoints in academia (are you rejecting these as true?), such as: America is a nation defined by “systemic racism,” “police brutality,” and “white supremacist violence." “White fragility" stems from “the privilege that accrues to white people living in a society that protects and insulates them from race-based stress.” Acknowledged that Harvard had a historical connection to supporting slavery and for being proud of black people for overcoming this Be black, as Rufo explicitly states he believed she got the job because she is black: "In the long season of racial guilt and animus that followed George Floyd’s death, the university was desperate to recruit a 'first'". Rufo - and you - exemplify why complaints about "DEI" are white supremacist boogeymen meant to play on racial animosity because you can't even coherently name what you think DEI is, let alone that your claim of a DEI empire is *checks name* the renaming of student halls or painting of wall art in dining halls of famous black alumni. He even says an example of being a "DEI empire" is "supporting affirmative action" (despite DEI =/= affirmative action) and "believing race is a ideological construct"? You're a ******* idiot. Edited January 12 by Communion
folkhoax Posted January 12 Posted January 12 1 minute ago, Communion said: Actually, @folkhoax let's go through this article and see what you're hoping to claim makes someone the head of a "DEI" empire: "Commissioned a Task Force on Visual Culture and Signage following the murder of George Floyd" Created a "campus curator" position meant to "promote more public art on campus that reflect Harvard's racial diversity" Recommended the painting of new portraits in *checks notes* student lounges and dining hall areas Recommended updating the FAS tour program with new digital content that could then be accessed via smart phones "Initiated program to 'de-name' any programs at Harvard deemed racist or culturally insensitive" - a project started by her white male predecessor Was president when the FAS website, in various departments, repeated commonly-held viewpoints in academia (or you rejecting these as true?), such as: America is a nation defined by “systemic racism,” “police brutality,” and “white supremacist violence." “White fragility" stems from “the privilege that accrues to white people living in a society that protects and insulates them from race-based stress.” Acknowledge that Harvard had a historical connection to supporting slavery and for being proud of black people for overcoming this Be black, as Rufo explicitly states he believed she got the job because she was black: "n the long season of racial guilt and animus that followed George Floyd’s death, the university was desperate to recruit a 'first'". Rufo - and you - exemplify why complaints about "DEI" are white supremacist boogeymen meant to place on racial animosity because you can't even coherently name what you think DEI is, let alone that your claim of a DEI empire is *checks name* the renaming of student halls or painting of wall art in dining halls of famous black alumni. He even sais an example of being a "DEI empire" is "supporting affirmative action" (despite DEI =/= affirmative action) and "believing race is a ideological construct". You're a ******* idiot. Wait, what part of this: "DEI empire" is "supporting affirmative action" (despite DEI =/= affirmative action) and "believing race is a ideological construct"." ...is not factually correct? And Gay built the DEI empire in Harvard, which is fact.
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