ATRL Moderator MissedTheTrain Posted January 1 ATRL Moderator Posted January 1 7 minutes ago, Afterglow said: Can we please stop posting about this specific individual like they are a celebrated celebrity. This is a criminal convicted of murder, nothing more. They've done nothing of significant artistic importance nor had any positive impact on anyone sane. Enough! She's a victim of years of child abuse. Not defending murder, but she had no way out....she literally had no one on her side. She served her time for it, and she's free for the first time in her entire life. I have no doubt she's going to be a great advocate for other Munchausen victims and will raise awareness. 6 1
Afterglow Posted January 1 Posted January 1 (edited) 17 minutes ago, MissedTheTrain said: She's a victim of years of child abuse. Not defending murder, but she had no way out....she literally had no one on her side. She served her time for it, and she's free for the first time in her entire life. I have no doubt she's going to be a great advocate for other Munchausen victims and will raise awareness. A lot of us are victims of severe child abuse. Partner abuse. All kinds. There's no excuse. She's a murderer, a criminal and is absolutely not a celebrity for the Celebria section. She will not become an advocate for much of anything because she is a convicted criminal for matricide. What part of that don't yall get? It's actually offensive seeing this person mixed in with other threads about people who are doing actual work for their communities and have artistic merit. We didnt see Britney Spears kill her parents. Nor Halle Berry. Tyler Perry? Lindsay? These are celebrities who can be advocates for abuse and victim survival. Edited January 1 by Afterglow 1 10
Adam’s Eve Posted January 1 Posted January 1 (edited) Her Bloodtrails Over the Penitentiary is coming! Edited January 1 by Adam’s Eve 1
ATRL Moderator MissedTheTrain Posted January 1 ATRL Moderator Posted January 1 48 minutes ago, Afterglow said: A lot of us are victims of severe child abuse. Partner abuse. All kinds. There's no excuse. She's a murderer, a criminal and is absolutely not a celebrity for the Celebria section. She will not become an advocate for much of anything because she is a convicted criminal for matricide. What part of that don't yall get? It's actually offensive seeing this person mixed in with other threads about people who are doing actual work for their communities and have artistic merit. We didnt see Britney Spears kill her parents. Nor Halle Berry. Tyler Perry? Lindsay? These are celebrities who can be advocates for abuse and victim survival. I'm guessing you don't know her story, the abuse she suffered was in a completely different league from the people you named. Her mother was evil. For her entire life, she fed her tons and tons of drugs that induced sickness, made her believe she was sick with a ton of different diseases that she didn't actually have and that she couldn't walk, confined her to a wheelchair, gave her drugs that rotted her teeth and made most of them have to be extracted, had a feeding tube installed (she told her she wasn't able to eat normally), lied to her about her own age, took her out of school in the 2nd grade, didn't allow her to have any friends or be alone with anyone, didn't allow her to go anywhere by herself, shaved her head daily because she told her she couldn't grow hair normally, and if she did anything "disobedient", she'd starve her and tie her to a bed for weeks. She made her have tons of surgeries that she didn't need, including getting her salivary glands removed. She filed papers that she was not mentally competent so if she tried to go to the police, they wouldn't take her seriously. All the while, she was propping her up to get media attention. She somehow managed to sneak out of bed while her mom was asleep and started going online to dating websites. She got close with a mentally ill guy on there who offered to do anything for her, including kill her mom. She eventually said yes. Again, not defending murder, but her case is unique, which is why she only got 7 years jail time. Despite being a perfectly healthy girl, she was literally was going to live her entire life like a terminally ill 7 year old and probably eventually die young from all of the drugs being pumped into her and making her sick, and she didn't see any way out. She literally said that prison was more free than her life beforehand. " “The prison that I was living in before, with my mom, it's, like, I couldn't walk. I couldn't eat. I couldn't have friends. I couldn't go outside, you know, and play with friends or anything. Over here, I feel like I'm freer in prison, than with living with my mom. Because now, I'm allowed to … just live like a normal woman.”" 1 5 1
ATRL Moderator feelslikeadream Posted January 1 ATRL Moderator Posted January 1 I just KNOW she's a Paris, Texas stan
Afterglow Posted January 1 Posted January 1 (edited) 27 minutes ago, MissedTheTrain said: I'm guessing you don't know her story, the abuse she suffered was in a completely different league from the people you named. Her mother was evil. She fed her tons and tons of drugs that induced sickness, made her believe she was sick with a ton of different diseases that she didn't actually have and that she couldn't walk, confined her to a wheelchair, gave her drugs that rotted her teeth and made most of them have to be extracted, had a feeding tube installed (she told her she wasn't able to eat normally), lied to her about her own age, took her out of school in the 2nd grade, didn't allow her to have any friends or be alone with anyone, didn't allow her to go anywhere by herself, shaved her head daily because she told her she wouldn't grow hair normally, and if she did anything "disobedient", she'd tie her to a bed for weeks. She made her have tons of surgeries that she didn't need, including getting her salivary glands removed. She filed papers that she was not mentally competent so if she tried to go to the police, they wouldn't take her seriously. She somehow managed to sneak out of bed while her mom was asleep and started going online to dating websites. She got close with a mentally ill guy on there who offered to do anything for her, including kill her mom. She eventually said yes. Again, not defending murder, but her case is unique, which is why she only got 7 years jail time. Despite being a perfectly healthy girl, she was literally was going to live her entire life like a terminally ill 7 year old and probably eventually die young from all of the drugs being pumped into her and making her sick, and she didn't see any way out. I read this person's story and didn't move. I didn't care about their list of abuses, we all have a list. We also all have a working brain and a sense of morality. The minute she chose matricide (and also the sex afterward no matter who's idea) was the moment she lost any form of respect for herself and her situation, and it would be disgusting of her to try to act as some beacon of hope for victims. And you all keep saying "IM NOT DEFENDING MURDER", but then you all continue to list what she allegedly went through as if they are validating the murder she planned and some hypothetical future or alt-reality where she would never have been able to simply go to the police, cps (Sh*t I did!), or the random family (including a half-sister) she has that knew all this was possible in the first place? TBF she's kinda mindf*cked you all. And might be an evil genius. The apple never falls far from the tree. She was able to plot something like that, and get someone else to throw their entire life away?....she's able to do it again. It's honestly to the brink of insanity to me that anyone would celebrate this person, she says she'll regret her decision every single day, and deservedly so, and may she be haunted for eternity. Disgusting that a white woman can get out of a full sentence that easily and we still have so many black youth in false incarceration, lives ruined. Yet...... "lets celebrate the white woman mother killer and lift her up!" "fierce!" "Slay mama!" "She's mother!" tf is wrong with yall Edited January 1 by Afterglow 1 1 10
jakeisphat Posted January 1 Posted January 1 All these threads about her remind me of that time where ATRL was posting multiple threads about Gayle every day for no reason. OT: Lana sweetie... 1 1
Vespertine Posted January 1 Posted January 1 She has an awful story, and like many others, I think she deserves her freedom. But I find the public treating her like an “iconic celebrity” right now to be a bit unsettling. We know nothing about her except the broad strokes of her story, and the fact that she has never had even the tiniest semblance of a normal life, going from decades of abuse directly into prison. I hope she has a good support system around her now, because not many people could endure all of that and then be thrust into the public spotlight and keep their **** together. 1
ATRL Moderator MissedTheTrain Posted January 1 ATRL Moderator Posted January 1 29 minutes ago, Afterglow said: where she would never have been able to simply go to the police, cps (Sh*t I did!), or the random family (including a half-sister) she has that knew all this was possible in the first place? I....don't think you get it. She couldn't go to the police or CPS because her mother filed papers labelling her as retarded, so nobody would believe her. She had no contact with her dad and half-sister, her mom wouldn't allow it (and she didn't even know how to find them). Anonymous calls were actually made to CPS, requiring visits, but her mother manipulated them into thinking nothing was wrong. Her mom made her absolutely terrified of what would happen if she tried anything at all, considering she would be starved for days and restrained to a bed for weeks whenever she'd do something as small as back talk. Her mom literally brainwashed her and prevented her from seeing the world, having any real life experience and being socialized....she wouldn't even let her get educated, go outside by herself, eat, or walk ffs. All while she was constantly drugged up and made to be ill her entire life. That's literally all she knew. This is not a normal person who was raised in a way that taught her how to think rationally. This is a highly, highly unusual case. 2 2 1
Afterglow Posted January 1 Posted January 1 (edited) 26 minutes ago, MissedTheTrain said: I....don't think you get it. She couldn't go to the police or CPS because her mother filed papers labelling her as ******ed, so nobody would believe her. She had no contact with her dad and half-sister, her mom wouldn't allow it (and she didn't even know how to find them). Anonymous calls were actually made to CPS, requiring visits, but her mother manipulated them into thinking nothing was wrong. Her mom made her absolutely terrified of what would happen if she tried anything at all, considering she would be starved for days and restrained to a bed for weeks whenever she'd do something as small as back talk. Her mom literally brainwashed her and prevented her from seeing the world, having any real life experience and being socialized....she wouldn't even let her get educated, go outside by herself, eat, or walk ffs. All while she was constantly drugged up and made to be ill her entire life. That's literally all she knew. This is not a normal person who was raised in a way that taught her how to think rationally. This is a highly, highly unusual case. Sis no, an abusive parent is not a highly unusual case. What's highly unusual is praising a convicted murderer and creating a fanfare around the criminals. What is highly unusual is the number of BLACK kids and men incarcerated still to this day with wrongful convictions. How about yall do some research and create fandoms for people who are true beacons of hope for change in those regards? And Im sorry....her mom brainwashed her? The girl killed her! What are you talking about? That is not a successful brainwashing in that case sis. Whats not unusual is a white woman being praised and rewarded for doing the absolute bare minimum which is absolutely on display here. You know what? The good sis OMAROSA said it best, "Black women have to be EXCEPTIONAL" to get any kind of attention, and a crowd of white women boo'd her... She aint never lied, now ya'll are praising white people for going to prison AND killing their mothers. "Slay mama!" Yall are straight bonkers Edited January 1 by Afterglow 1 3
ATRL Moderator MissedTheTrain Posted January 1 ATRL Moderator Posted January 1 54 minutes ago, Afterglow said: Sis no, an abusive parent is not a highly unusual case. What's highly unusual is praising a convicted murderer and creating a fanfare around the criminals. What is highly unusual is the number of BLACK kids and men incarcerated still to this day with wrongful convictions. How about yall do some research and create fandoms for people who are true beacons of hope for change in those regards? And Im sorry....her mom brainwashed her? The girl killed her! What are you talking about? That is not a successful brainwashing in that case sis. Whats not unusual is a white woman being praised and rewarded for doing the absolute bare minimum which is absolutely on display here. You know what? The good sis OMAROSA said it best, "Black women have to be EXCEPTIONAL" to get any kind of attention, and a crowd of white women boo'd her... She aint never lied, now ya'll are praising white people for going to prison AND killing their mothers. "Slay mama!" Yall are straight bonkers Again....this is not just any "abusive parent". This entire case is extremely unusual. Munchausen by Proxy is highly unusual. Which is exactly why the court decided to only give her 7 years, due to the unusual nature of it. Yes, the mom DID brainwash her. She brainwashed her into thinking she couldn't leave and kept her from gaining basic knowledge and social skills. Her mom was all she knew, she didn't know the world outside of that. She had no real skills and real concept of her physical and mental capabilities; she didn't even know her own age. She didn't understand how so much of the world worked. Her mom had her declared mentally incompetent, making sure to make the police in the area aware that they shouldn't believe any words Gypsy said. CPS were manipulated into thinking she actually did have all of these physical and mental issues and her mom was helping her. After the one attempt she made to escape, she was restrained to a bed for weeks, starved, and beaten. And even if her mother didn't catch her right away, she would have legally been returned to her (and subsequently punished to an extent that it would never be able to happen again...Dee Dee was going to do whatever it took to keep the abuse under wraps). Her mother had complete power and control over her. With her nonexistent social skills or perception of how she could escape, thinking nobody would believe her, when she was offered one twisted way to end her suffering.....she took it, because she thought it was literally the only option she had. And she says now that she's not happy her mom is dead, she did not want her to be killed, but in the moment, she just saw it as her one and only chance of escaping. And with her lack of resources, knowledge, support, and money...it very well might have been her only option if she ever wanted to escape. From an article about the case: "It seems so easy [for her to just run away] looking in from the outside. But the repetition and consistency of Dee Dee’s delusions [and physical handicaps] pushed onto Gypsy made it difficult for her to understand what was real and what wasn’t. She was brainwashed into thinking that she couldn’t leave." It's also worth noting that Gypsy is not the first person Dee Dee abused. When her own mother got older and became ill, Dee Dee starved her, left her in filth, which made her more ill and killed her. When her father remarried, Dee Dee started poisoning her step mother's food and putting weedkiller in it, making her very ill and causing her to be bedridden for 9 months...until Dee Dee was forced to move. Her step mom's health then went completely back to normal. Sure, the fanfare is very weird, I agree. But so is acting like anyone wishing her happiness is "bonkers", and the complete lack of sympathy for someone who lived 24 years under the specific kind of abuse she was under. There's nothing wrong with wanting someone like her to be free and actually know what it's like to live a normal life after 31 years of not being able to do so and wishing her happiness after everything she endured, because she would have 100% would have eventually been killed by her mother. She has quite literally been imprisoned for all 31 years of her life, until now. The race argument you're bringing up is a valid critique on society, sure. But that's an entirely different conversation. 2 1 1
Psyduck Posted January 3 Posted January 3 This woman is a psychopath who made her disabled boyfriend murder her own mother. Yes she was subjected to awful abuse for her whole life but she could've gone to the police instead. She chose to make someone who was mentally disabled commit a henious crime for which he will pay for for the rest of his life while she's free. This is a severely damaged messed up psychotic individual. Beware "stanning" her. 1 2
Psyduck Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) On 1/1/2024 at 9:26 AM, MissedTheTrain said: She's a victim of years of child abuse. Not defending murder, but she had no way out....she literally had no one on her side. She served her time for it, and she's free for the first time in her entire life. I have no doubt she's going to be a great advocate for other Munchausen victims and will raise awareness. Hmmmmm no she def had a way out that didn't involve making her mentally disabled bf murder her own mother. Like, she could've gone to the police, gone to the media, just straight up ran away. She wasn't actually wheelchair-bound, you know. There were LOTS of available options other than brutally murdering someone with a kitchen knife. Edited January 3 by Psyduck 1 3
Afterglow Posted January 3 Posted January 3 (edited) On 1/1/2024 at 3:39 PM, MissedTheTrain said: Again....this is not just any "abusive parent". This entire case is extremely unusual. Munchausen by Proxy is highly unusual. Which is exactly why the court decided to only give her 7 years, due to the unusual nature of it. Yes, the mom DID brainwash her. She brainwashed her into thinking she couldn't leave and kept her from gaining basic knowledge and social skills. Her mom was all she knew, she didn't know the world outside of that. She had no real skills and real concept of her physical and mental capabilities; she didn't even know her own age. She didn't understand how so much of the world worked. Her mom had her declared mentally incompetent, making sure to make the police in the area aware that they shouldn't believe any words Gypsy said. CPS were manipulated into thinking she actually did have all of these physical and mental issues and her mom was helping her. After the one attempt she made to escape, she was restrained to a bed for weeks, starved, and beaten. And even if her mother didn't catch her right away, she would have legally been returned to her (and subsequently punished to an extent that it would never be able to happen again...Dee Dee was going to do whatever it took to keep the abuse under wraps). Her mother had complete power and control over her. With her nonexistent social skills or perception of how she could escape, thinking nobody would believe her, when she was offered one twisted way to end her suffering.....she took it, because she thought it was literally the only option she had. And she says now that she's not happy her mom is dead, she did not want her to be killed, but in the moment, she just saw it as her one and only chance of escaping. And with her lack of resources, knowledge, support, and money...it very well might have been her only option if she ever wanted to escape. From an article about the case: "It seems so easy [for her to just run away] looking in from the outside. But the repetition and consistency of Dee Dee’s delusions [and physical handicaps] pushed onto Gypsy made it difficult for her to understand what was real and what wasn’t. She was brainwashed into thinking that she couldn’t leave." It's also worth noting that Gypsy is not the first person Dee Dee abused. When her own mother got older and became ill, Dee Dee starved her, left her in filth, which made her more ill and killed her. When her father remarried, Dee Dee started poisoning her step mother's food and putting weedkiller in it, making her very ill and causing her to be bedridden for 9 months...until Dee Dee was forced to move. Her step mom's health then went completely back to normal. Sure, the fanfare is very weird, I agree. But so is acting like anyone wishing her happiness is "bonkers", and the complete lack of sympathy for someone who lived 24 years under the specific kind of abuse she was under. There's nothing wrong with wanting someone like her to be free and actually know what it's like to live a normal life after 31 years of not being able to do so and wishing her happiness after everything she endured, because she would have 100% would have eventually been killed by her mother. She has quite literally been imprisoned for all 31 years of her life, until now. The race argument you're bringing up is a valid critique on society, sure. But that's an entirely different conversation. I do not care about this story, how many times do I need to repeat myself? I'm not reading all that. Sis, you are doing nothing but proving the points ive made And to conclude, you admit the fanfare is unwarranted and murder is a crime. The race argument is perfectly valid here in this very conversation, thank you! Would've lived to see yalls reaction (or lack thereof) if this had been a black woman or, heaven forbid, black male who killed their mother. Oh and down vote away you simps! Stanning a 30 something year old murderer and throwing celebratory AAVE at her? I bet yall can't stand the sound of your own lack of basic human morality. Yall are laughable out here. Couldn't be me. Again, may she be haunted for eternity and her supporters deservedly chastised. Edited January 3 by Afterglow
Truth Teller Posted January 3 Posted January 3 This was an Iggy Azalea face at some point. Anyway y'all need to let this girl GO, it's weird and unfunny.
ATRL Moderator MissedTheTrain Posted January 3 ATRL Moderator Posted January 3 11 hours ago, Psyduck said: Hmmmmm no she def had a way out that didn't involve making her mentally disabled bf murder her own mother. Like, she could've gone to the police, gone to the media, just straight up ran away. She wasn't actually wheelchair-bound, you know. There were LOTS of available options other than brutally murdering someone with a kitchen knife. Let me repeat myself: The mom brainwashed her into thinking she couldn't leave and kept her from gaining basic knowledge and social skills. Her mom was all she knew, she didn't know the world outside of that. She had no real skills and real concept of her physical and mental capabilities; she didn't even know her own age. She didn't understand how so much of the world worked. She didn't know the "media". Her mom had her declared mentally incompetent, making sure to make the police in the area aware that they shouldn't believe any words Gypsy said. Her mom even had CPS fooled, after they were called to her house anonymously. After the one attempt she made to escape, she was restrained to a bed for weeks, starved, and beaten. And even if her mother didn't catch her right away, she would have legally been returned to her (and subsequently punished to an extent that it would never be able to happen again...Dee Dee was going to do whatever it took to keep the abuse under wraps). Her mother had complete power and control over her. With her nonexistent social skills or perception of how she could escape, thinking nobody would believe her, when she was offered one twisted way to end her suffering.....she took it, because she thought it was literally the only option she had. And she says now that she's not happy her mom is dead, she did not want her to be killed, but in the moment, she just saw it as her one and only chance of escaping. And with her lack of resources, knowledge, support, and money...it very well might have been her only option if she ever wanted to escape. From an article about the case: "It seems so easy [for her to just run away] looking in from the outside. But the repetition and consistency of Dee Dee’s delusions [and physical handicaps] pushed onto Gypsy made it difficult for her to understand what was real and what wasn’t. She was brainwashed into thinking that she couldn’t leave." 9 hours ago, Afterglow said: I do not care about this story, how many times do I need to repeat myself? I'm not reading all that. Sis, you are doing nothing but proving the points ive made And to conclude, you admit the fanfare is unwarranted and murder is a crime. The race argument is perfectly valid here in this very conversation, thank you! Would've lived to see yalls reaction (or lack thereof) if this had been a black woman or, heaven forbid, black male who killed their mother. Oh and down vote away you simps! Stanning a 30 something year old murderer and throwing celebratory AAVE at her? I bet yall can't stand the sound of your own lack of basic human morality. Yall are laughable out here. Couldn't be me. Again, may she be haunted for eternity and her supporters deservedly chastised. You're in here posting about it and have pretty strong feelings about it, so it seems like you do care! I provided you with some context, some facts, and you're choosing not to read it. You do you. 1
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