fan base K-Pop Thread: Taeyeon Sick of SM, Blasts Their Mismanagement

[OrgVisual]

33 minutes ago, Sheep said:

Even HYBE's business model is fundamentally different from the big 3 with their constant cycle of attracting foreign investors with their big growth, using that investment to take on MASSIVE debt to purchase competitors, and then using the revenue growth from purchases they can't afford to attract new investors. It's basically a ponzi scheme. So not to defend the JYPigs and YGlys but yes, actually the big 3 ARE different.

 

HYBE has an(officially reported, we now know their published numbers are full of intentional accounting errors) ENORMOUS $723m US Dollar debt. This company is fundamentally different in how it operates compared to the big 3. 

 

For comparison reported debt figures for the big 3:

• JYP - ~$7m
• YG - ~$10m
• SM - ~$88m(this tracks after a massive corporate restructuring + building out the new pd centers overnight + the buyouts)

I mean, they are ACTUALLY different because HYBE is a music group, not a company. They consist of several labels. It's more comparable to Kakao or LOEN than JYP / SM / YG

[Sheep]

4 minutes ago, OrgVisual said:

I mean, they are ACTUALLY different because HYBE is a music group, not a company. They consist of several labels. It's more comparable to Kakao or LOEN than JYP / SM / YG

So why are we still pretending that the big 3 are the same? Thank you for supporting my point.  

Edited October 29 by Sheep

[VelvetCrush]

1 hour ago, Save-Me-Oprah said:

South Korea has already been pushing the limits of what can be considered an "album" with the inexplicable concept of "single album" (which doesn't exist anywhere else in the world) and 6-track "albums" that in any other world would be an EP... now they're pushing the limits of what can be considered an EP

 

we need to come up with standards before someone gets hurt

 

I blame Blackpink's "full" albums with 8 songs and 25 minutes

 

 

[OrgVisual]

6 minutes ago, Sheep said:

So why are we still pretending that the big 3 are the same. Thank you for supporting my point.  

I mean Kakao (mother company of Starship / Antenna and several other ones) was exposed for running media play to fuel the fire in Garam-gate. Just to show it's very common for K-entertainment companies to play dirty against each other

 

EDIT: Kakao has a 40% stake in SM after the LSM-gate

Edited October 29 by OrgVisual

[Sheep]

9 minutes ago, OrgVisual said:

I mean Kakao (mother company of Starship / Antenna and several other ones) was exposed for running media play to fuel the fire in Garam-gate. Just to show it's very common for K-entertainment companies to play dirty against each other

Please use TWs when discussing k*kao to a foaming at the mouth SM Entertainment company stan. 

 

Again this is just more fuel to the hybe actually isn't at all like the big 3 fire. Like I said, media play is an issue, but in 15+ years of constantly having their reputations dragged through the mud none of the big 3 have been hit with anything of this magnitude. 

Edited October 29 by Sheep

[Odette Violet]

this HYBE topics are getting boring, yawn. All this companies  needs to come together and sue HYBE for defamation so they can end that whale once and for all 

 

 

[harrythevifan]

6 hours ago, Rainy Devil said:

For example: why it was important to track reactions and make a summary about the way Karina was making and eating watermelon punch, Winter texting during a live stream and Giselle donating money to an animal rescue organization? 

Trying to find the next strawberry.

 

 

1 hour ago, Bewitched said:

It's only 20 pages but I am surprised at no mention of my faves Astro 

Astro is mentioned everywhere.  They just call it TomorrowXTogether.

 

 

59 minutes ago, OrgVisual said:

Please. How did you think T-ARA's scandal blew up the way it did if not because the other companies tried to fuel the fire? A

With T-ara, it was its own company throwing fuel on the fire to cover up/destroy the evidence of some embezzling the government was investigating at the time.

 

So a story like this Hybe thing that is sort of a nothingburger is being propagated by various participants, keep an eye out for the coverup.

 

[OrbitNumber1]

31 minutes ago, Odette Violet said:

literally no one is saying this? lmao. Sheep / Century has just commented the crimes of BIG 3 11 post above yours but you seems to either ignored or failed reading that 

Huh, I'm sorry I didn't read all the pages on this thread, I guess?

[Sheep]

6 minutes ago, harrythevifan said:

So a story like this Hybe thing that is sort of a nothingburger is being propagated by various participants, keep an eye out for the coverup.

https://pulse.mk.co.kr/news/english/11136083

 

The ponzi scheme is about to fall apart  

[Odette Violet]

 

 

 

 girl.... when we said we want a normal comeback, we didn't say you need to put them in award and music festivals every 2 Business Days 

 

[Aniston's Boobs]

 

the only members that truly matter 

 

 

[MusicFan98]

1 hour ago, Selenasworld said:

I appreciate the Jennifer and Lizard for serving quality this one from Rose is a no for me no substance or whatever 

What substance do Rockstar or Mantra have lol??they are super basic songs and resort to the same stuff and sounds Blackpink release as a group while APT does not take itself very seriously and even though its sound scape is whatever, it is catchy in a genuine way

[Eternium]

7 hours ago, Butters said:

This reaction is so silly to me. This is Kpop, when hasn't it been all about the numbers and competition? Especially behind the scenes? Let's not play pretend.

 

Don't think it can be said conclusively from here that Garam was used in order to boost LSF since the document speaks on her going on Music Bank and competing with Wonyoung as an it girl. It's true there is no way they hadn't known about her past but it still makes way more sense that it was a severe lack of communication between labels/rushed casting process/bad business calculus that led to her debuting despite it. The scrapped Blue Flame MV, the awkward doc/content cuts, the awful hate train... no way that was planned.

 

I just wish at this point my girls could be divested from HYBE. Everyone there needs to resign or something I'm sick!

Some idols actually work on growth and don't care about the numbers. Aespa have put in an insane amount of work to improve their performing. They literally just put out Whiplash as a gift to the fans and told us before it came out that it would flop. Taeyeon drops new music and goes into hiding. She also only does tours to keep her fans happy. Etc. There are plenty of idols who are just happy to perform.

 

Obviously there's always going to be budgets and consumerism involved, but that's nothing like what HYBE is doing. They're literally fabricating hate trains on vulnerable idols, including the ones that trusted them.
 

They used Garam's situation to make LSF bigger. "The rumors' weaknesses have brought back memories of the chaos before Aespa's debut, which ultimately boosted their popularity." HYBE decided to not dispel the rumors pre-debut or go after the individuals behind them because they wanted an underdog story. They ended up throwing her to the wolves and then making Chaewon diss her ("you should get away)" before having the whole group dance to "Somebody That I Used To Know." 
 

They tried to use ILLIT to steal attention from Aespa. They used pre-trainee photos of a former Source trainee (Seunghan) to ruin RIIZE. Let's not even talk about the 100s of things they leaked to Dispatch or the chaos they've caused over the years.

And yes, I will agree with the last part - it's not the members' faults. They've put them in a really awkward, toxic situation and I feel bad for them. 

4 hours ago, Butters said:

Making crude assessments and collecting dirt on different groups and idols in the industry does not give HYBE much leverage unless they're found to be fueling and spreading these rumors about them. They're a billion dollar conglomerate, like do you not expect Coca Cola to have a burn book on Pepsi. Humiliating all the same to have this exposed.

Pepsi very famously had a Coke executive assistant arrested when they tried to sell them trade secrets. That's the kind of integrity that HYBE does not have.

[Sheep]

8 minutes ago, Aniston's Boobs said:

 

the only members that truly matter 

 

 

The way I actually gained a lot of respect for the BTS members through this whole process. It takes nerve to openly show integrity in this business. 

[OrbitNumber1]

12 minutes ago, Eternium said:

Some idols actually work on growth and don't care about the numbers. Aespa have put in an insane amount of work to improve their performing. They literally just put out Whiplash as a gift to the fans and told us before it came out that it would flop. Taeyeon drops new music and goes into hiding. She also only does tours to keep her fans happy. Etc. There are plenty of idols who are just happy to perform.

 

Obviously there's always going to be budgets and consumerism involved, but that's nothing like what HYBE is doing. They're literally fabricating hate trains on vulnerable idols, including the ones that trusted them.
 

They used Garam's situation to make LSF bigger. "The rumors' weaknesses have brought back memories of the chaos before Aespa's debut, which ultimately boosted their popularity." HYBE decided to not dispel the rumors pre-debut or go after the individuals behind them because they wanted an underdog story. They ended up throwing her to the wolves and then making Chaewon diss her ("you should get away)" before having the whole group dance to "Somebody That I Used To Know." 
 

They tried to use ILLIT to steal attention from Aespa. They used pre-trainee photos of a former Source trainee (Seunghan) to ruin RIIZE. Let's not even talk about the 100s of things they leaked to Dispatch or the chaos they've caused over the years.

And yes, I will agree with the last part - it's not the members' faults. They've put them in a really awkward, toxic situation and I feel bad for them. 

Pepsi very famously had a Coke executive assistant arrested when they tried to sell them trade secrets. That's the kind of integrity that HYBE does not have.

What idols think is irrelevant to the industry though.

 

Taeyeon is only able to release such because it's profitable for SM to keep her on her roster if for her brand name alone. She's part of a legendary girl group of the K-pop industry and has been successful solo. aespa is their main girl group rn, the members might think whatever of their releases, for SM is important to have the group doing well. f(x) members also loved performing and that didn't stop the agency from shelving the group because it wasn't interesting for them to keep it around anymore.

 

That's what @Butters was referring to when they said that's how the industry is. And you seem to have understood, as you said that's not the members' fault. What weare seeing is how the industry is. HYBE, SM and otherwise, and no amount of good intentions from the idols involved will change that (unless they unonize, which is not happening anytime soon)

Edited October 29 by OrbitNumber1

[youresotoxic]

queen is coming back 

[youresotoxic]

 

[youresotoxic]

3 hours ago, Pluto6 said:

Speaking of RIIZE, the new transcript published today reveals that HYBE didn't hold back in criticizing Wonbin, taking jabs at his height, looks and talents  

 

 

was WJSN mentioned because that MUST be the reason for no comebacks

 

[Zack]

These legends look so pretty and happy

Also, I can't believe Krystal recently turned 30. She really did debut so young 

 

 

[Sheep]

35 minutes ago, Sheep said:

https://pulse.mk.co.kr/news/english/11136083

 

The ponzi scheme is about to fall apart  

For anybody who didn't follow this link, HYBE has a week to cough up $300m USD. I hope god never sends me an opp like NewJeans 

[starstruckaj]

November about to be the battle royale of BP's children, wouldn't be surprised if Meovv gets announced soon just to shake the table

 

[Pluto6]

32 minutes ago, youresotoxic said:

was WJSN mentioned because that MUST be the reason for no comebacks

 

Yes actually 

 

Quote

"Moreover, while it may not be immediately evident, there could be underlying feelings of inferiority among the fandoms of MONSTA X and WJSN, and this could become a long-term risk as these feelings are provoked. Especially since IVE's sudden surge in popularity has led to ongoing questions about the reality of their success, and there are quite a few trolls trying to paint a negative image of Jang Wonyoung, showing that it's risky to flaunt their swag too carelessly."

 

Edited October 29 by Pluto6

[youresotoxic]

8 minutes ago, Pluto6 said:

Yes, they did actually 

 

 

oh my god.........

I honestly was not expecting them to be in there tbh

 

Edited October 29 by youresotoxic

[youresotoxic]

[Odette Violet]

 

Miss Ningning!

 

she's ready for that cvnty solo debut