celeb news Cher files for conservatorship of her son; UPDATE: Denied.

[Popboi.]

1 hour ago, Cap87 said:

They illegally put her and kept her in that fraudulent conservatorship and would have kept her in there if she did not do her testimony.

 

Alot of Britney money is missing under their watch

 

Unseal those documents

The c-ship itself wasn't illegal. The manipulation outside the legal system is what is against the law (saying this as a lawyer).

 

Her team made her believe that she didn't have the rights to have a lawyer (she did, everyone does), that she would lose the kids without it (not true), that her medication had to get stronger and stronger as she was "off the rails" (when she was in fact realizing they were lying to her face over and over), that if she worked constantly without hesitation the c-ship would be terminated by default (again, not true, it can only be terminated upon request or in a separate trial). Combining all 4 got her to the point of not fighting back until she reached a breaking point with the forced stay at the medical center and the feeding of lithium as medication.

 

She said it herself, she didn't know she could have a lawyer and request to give her testimony until the very end of the c-ship and was quickly terminated after that. She could've done that as early as 2010 if she knew (but we know her team had everyone around her extremely restricted so she could never know), it's not the legal system that failed her or profited from her, it was her dad and everyone involved in the administration of the conservatorship. 

 

 

[Cap87]

36 minutes ago, Popboi. said:

The c-ship itself wasn't illegal. The manipulation outside the legal system is what is against the law (saying this as a lawyer).

 

Her team made her believe that she didn't have the rights to have a lawyer (she did, everyone does), that she would lose the kids without it (not true), that her medication had to get stronger and stronger as she was "off the rails" (when she was in fact realizing they were lying to her face over and over), that if she worked constantly without hesitation the c-ship would be terminated by default (again, not true, it can only be terminated upon request or in a separate trial). Combining all 4 got her to the point of not fighting back until she reached a breaking point with the forced stay at the medical center and the feeding of lithium as medication.

 

She said it herself, she didn't know she could have a lawyer and request to give her testimony until the very end of the c-ship and was quickly terminated after that. She could've done that as early as 2010 if she knew (but we know her team had everyone around her extremely restricted so she could never know), it's not the legal system that failed her or profited from her, it was her dad and everyone involved in the administration of the conservatorship. 

 

 

You don't think the California Court system was not getting their cut of the pie?

[Taylor fanboy]

C-ships should be unconstitutional. Their money, their lives, their choices.

[Sugar-Rush]

54 minutes ago, Taylor fanboy said:

C-ships should be unconstitutional. Their money, their lives, their choices.

Even if their choices could potentially get them killed? What kind of parent would just stand by and allow that to happen?

[Taylor fanboy]

1 minute ago, Sugar-Rush said:

Even if their choices could potentially get them killed? What kind of parent would just stand by and allow that to happen?

A liberated parent with boundaries and respect for individuality, I would hope.

[Cap87]

1 hour ago, Sugar-Rush said:

Even if their choices could potentially get them killed? What kind of parent would just stand by and allow that to happen?

There's stuff to help folks out here

[Hurem]

1 hour ago, Taylor fanboy said:

A liberated parent with boundaries and respect for individuality, I would hope.

cringe

[Moloko Plus]

1 hour ago, Taylor fanboy said:

A liberated parent with boundaries and respect for individuality, I would hope.

It’s incredible how dumb this comment is in the context of the news story in the thread.

[Moloko Plus]

7 minutes ago, Cap87 said:

There's stuff to help folks out here

Same goes for this comment, DUMB. You’re an idiot if you don’t think Cher has exhausted every damn avenue she can in order to help her son before getting to this point.

[Cap87]

4 hours ago, Moloko Plus said:

Same goes for this comment, DUMB. You’re an idiot if you don’t think Cher has exhausted every damn avenue she can in order to help her son before getting to this point.

I'm still giving Cher the side eye

[Jeremiah]

8 hours ago, Popboi. said:

The c-ship itself wasn't illegal. The manipulation outside the legal system is what is against the law (saying this as a lawyer).

 

Her team made her believe that she didn't have the rights to have a lawyer (she did, everyone does), that she would lose the kids without it (not true), that her medication had to get stronger and stronger as she was "off the rails" (when she was in fact realizing they were lying to her face over and over), that if she worked constantly without hesitation the c-ship would be terminated by default (again, not true, it can only be terminated upon request or in a separate trial). Combining all 4 got her to the point of not fighting back until she reached a breaking point with the forced stay at the medical center and the feeding of lithium as medication.

 

She said it herself, she didn't know she could have a lawyer and request to give her testimony until the very end of the c-ship and was quickly terminated after that. She could've done that as early as 2010 if she knew (but we know her team had everyone around her extremely restricted so she could never know), it's not the legal system that failed her or profited from her, it was her dad and everyone involved in the administration of the conservatorship. 

 

 

It was illegal. Corruption, for starters, is unlawful. The way the judge (Reva Goetz) operated and the whole set up were highly questionable, to say the least. For example:

• not notifying Britney for the hearing (it's actually a norm to give notice)
• denying Britney a lawyer of choice (Britney presented two lawyers and both were rejected/walked away) but that's technically not legally wrong as she was already deemed "unfit" (how though?)
• eventually granting a conservatorship without a capacity declaration. They're needed for conservatorships of the person, especially for someone with alleged dementia like Britney, and they indeed tried one with a (second) sketchy doctor but it wasn't used at the end and went with the premise of "voluntary conservatorship". Actually, this "voluntary" nature was key on the termination of Britney's conservatorship.

 

9 hours ago, CaptainMusic said:

Conservatorships are fine if they’re in the hands of family who can be trusted.

But is she? She was accused last year of trying to kidnap Elijah. "For love" or not, seems like her ways are transgressive.

[Cap87]

52 minutes ago, Jeremiah said:

It was illegal. Corruption, for starters, is unlawful. The way the judge (Reva Goetz) operated and the whole set up were highly questionable, to say the least. For example:

• not notifying Britney for the hearing (it's actually a norm to give notice)
• denying Britney a lawyer of choice (Britney presented two lawyers and both were rejected/walked away) but that's technically not legally wrong as she was already deemed "unfit" (how though?)
• eventually granting a conservatorship without a capacity declaration. They're needed for conservatorships of the person, especially for someone with alleged dementia like Britney, and they indeed tried one with a (second) sketchy doctor but it wasn't used at the end and went with the premise of "voluntary conservatorship". Actually, this "voluntary" nature was key on the termination of Britney's conservatorship.

 

But is she? She was accused last year of trying to kidnap Elijah. "For love" or not, seems like her ways are transgressive.

Thank you 

[Lady Claire]

Cher definitely doesn't need any money from her son as she probably has 10x+ more than him + he's a lost drug addict who's probably on the verge of drowning even more. It's not even comparable to Britney's situation as some of you are trying to imply

 

She did what it had to be done as a mother.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 30, 2023 by Lady Claire

[Sarkisian]

3 hours ago, Jeremiah said:

But is she? She was accused last year of trying to kidnap Elijah. "For love" or not, seems like her ways are transgressive.

The woman who has always supported her son, his entire life, doesn't love him lol and he was kidnapped according to who?? according to his estrangeled wife... Elijah filed for divorce in 2021 and the following year he tried to make up with her, but guess what, he was found unconscious in the hotel lobby, was it his wife who helped him? no! the hotel staff had to call his mother, who sent people to pick him up and then he went to rehab, that's when Cher kicked his "wife" out of her house (because yes, even though they were getting divorced she still lived there) and that's when she became desperate and claimed kidnapping and finally this week she managed to influence him again to leave the rehab clinic, Cher knows that there are people interested in his money and this could put her son's life at risk, while you are here pretending you know anything, there is a mother fighting for her son

[If U Seek Amy]

ATRL logic. Britney's conservatorship = bad thus all conservatorships = bad. They exist for a reason even if they need fine tuning

[Jeremiah]

17 hours ago, Sarkisian said:

The woman who has always supported her son, his entire life, doesn't love him lol and he was kidnapped according to who?? according to his estrangeled wife... Elijah filed for divorce in 2021 and the following year he tried to make up with her, but guess what, he was found unconscious in the hotel lobby, was it his wife who helped him? no! the hotel staff had to call his mother, who sent people to pick him up and then he went to rehab, that's when Cher kicked his "wife" out of her house (because yes, even though they were getting divorced she still lived there) and that's when she became desperate and claimed kidnapping and finally this week she managed to influence him again to leave the rehab clinic, Cher knows that there are people interested in his money and this could put her son's life at risk, while you are here pretending you know anything, there is a mother fighting for her son

Yes, the estranged wife that Cher never accepted for her son and didn't even attend their wedding. Hey btw, great "support for her son, for his entire life". Maybe she should've stepped in when he was trying drugs in his childhood, or given support when he was diagnosed with Lyme disease. Going by Elijah's words, there's much in his life that he's endured and reflect trauma. Does he need help? Most likely, but there must be better ways than a conservatorship.

 

Conservatorships are proven to be flawed. In theory, they're helpful, but doesn't take much to realize you're not helping someone stripping them of their rights. In the cases of conservatorships of the estate (that's what Cher's going for), it ends being an abusive situation since you're forcing litigations on the conservatee. All costs end being paid by the conservatee's estate, which is unfair and opens the door for financial exploitation, if not from the close ones, by the legal system.

[ThatGUY]

America is weird. Unless you're severley disabled you shouldn't have someone controlling your life and/or money. Simple as that.

[pisuke]

53 minutes ago, Jeremiah said:

Yes, the estranged wife that Cher never accepted for her son and didn't even attend their wedding. Hey btw, great "support for her son, for his entire life". Maybe she should've stepped in when he was trying drugs in his childhood, or given support when he was diagnosed with Lyme disease. Going by Elijah's words, there's much in his life that he's endured and reflect trauma. Does he need help? Most likely, but there must be better ways than a conservatorship.

 

Do you have more info on Elijah's version about her mother? Until the recent events I only though she had Chaz Bono. 

[Jeremiah]

10 minutes ago, pisuke said:

 

Do you have more info on Elijah's version about her mother? Until the recent events I only though she had Chaz Bono. 

He did an interview in 2014 revealing stuff about his drug addiction/battle and family issues:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2551939/Cher-never-congratulated-marriage-Elijah-Blue-reveals-rift-famous-mother-recovery-heroin-addiction-explosive-new-interview.html

https://www.etonline.com/news/143228_Cher_Son_Elijah_Blue_Felt_Shunned_as_a_Child

[!ngwe]

Protective mother 

[Sarkisian]

8 hours ago, Jeremiah said:

Yes, the estranged wife that Cher never accepted for her son and didn't even attend their wedding. Hey btw, great "support for her son, for his entire life". Maybe she should've stepped in when he was trying drugs in his childhood, or given support when he was diagnosed with Lyme disease. Going by Elijah's words, there's much in his life that he's endured and reflect trauma. Does he need help? Most likely, but there must be better ways than a conservatorship.

 

Conservatorships are proven to be flawed. In theory, they're helpful, but doesn't take much to realize you're not helping someone stripping them of their rights. In the cases of conservatorships of the estate (that's what Cher's going for), it ends being an abusive situation since you're forcing litigations on the conservatee. All costs end being paid by the conservatee's estate, which is unfair and opens the door for financial exploitation, if not from the close ones, by the legal system.

Every family has its problems, EVERY FAMILY, he and Cher were not in a good place at that time, everyone must have their reasons, but they overcame it and Elijah and his wife went to live with Cher in her house since 2015, don't say Cher never accepted her because that's not true, his wife accompanied Cher to several events from 2015 until before the divorce, if she is such a horrible mother why would he leave Germany to live with his mother in Malibu?

It's very unfair that you want to place all the responsibility on Cher while she was a single mother, his father was a drug addict and abandoned his son after the divorce, while she had to work to support the family, that's the problem for every single mother and she wasn't rich when he was growing up, she was sued by Sonny and had to work like crazy to pay the fines for the separation and Elijah lived at his mother's expense his whole life

 

You're always saying "it must be other ways" what ways?? What can a 77 year old mother do in a moment of despair to try to save her son's life? Talking from outside is easy, but then if something happens, you move on with your life and the family who will have to deal with the loss

[allforyou]

Should conservatorships be the last option? Yes however it's known that her son has an addiction and has battled it for quite a while.

This isn't the same situation as Britney's since Cher is clearly the one who has all the money.

[mrpartyrocker]

Not y’all being okay with this just because she’s Cher but if it was Britney’s parents or Amanda Bynes’s, you’d drag them to hell just because they’re the famous ones.

 

Once again, the hypocrites around here don’t fail to surprise me. 

[mrpartyrocker]

On 12/28/2023 at 8:16 PM, Hey Dude said:

He's a musician who's last album was in 2006 and he's not on Spotify. 

He's 47 and has no kids. 

This guy is a bum with no future who most likely lives off Cher's money. 

 

This is nowhere close to Britney's situation. 

Not you saying 47 years old men with no kids have no future 

[mrpartyrocker]

On 12/28/2023 at 10:57 PM, Jewel said:

 

Not Britney stans thinking they're the authority on conservatorships now. Even in Britney's case they don't know what really happened. She says she never did recreational drugs in her book, for example. Who knows if that's true. What makes you think they know what's really happening with Cher and her son? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That’s exactly my point. Britney was never fully “okay” and in the right state of mind. I mean we all see it today with her instagram posts. God knows what happened back in 2007 during her breakdown. But of course Britney stans would not want to admit it just because she is Britney. THE DOUBLE STANDARDS