FightDragonsWithMe Posted December 28, 2023 Posted December 28, 2023 Glad she's finally surpassed Elvis. And she's going to extend her lead over everyone as a solo act hopefully she does overtake The Beatles
Cruel Summer Posted December 29, 2023 Posted December 29, 2023 38 minutes ago, Sweetness said: 195 countries in the world, if I was to compile a list of the artists with the most hits singles and and most sales with actual music markets, she either not be listed or at the bottom. Remind me of how many record breaking singles she has in France and her best selling album in Turkey, Russia,Brazil? Which album of her's that has charted number 1 in 20+ countries? 35 minutes ago, Sweetness said: Again what single or album of her's that has charted in number 1 in more than 20 countries, yet alone 50 something like Madonna, where is she in the top 10 for most number 1 singles globally? I just saw a list of best selling artist and albums in Turkey, no Taylor. I also recently saw a list of best selling albums of all time, no Taylor but she's the biggest. The number of countries in which a song reaches #1 is more or less completely irrelevant against that actual total units moved by the song. Peaks aren’t everything. When accommodating for the realities of the changing way people consume music, Taylor’s albums do actually rank as some of the most successful of all time; 1989 is in the top 60 most consumed albums of all time going by ChartMasters’ methodology, for example. More importantly, having an album or two among the top albums of all time, or having a single peak high in 50+ countries, isn’t actually even necessary in her case. Taylor’s defining characteristic as a commercial phenomenon is her consistency across two decades of music - she has only just peaked despite already being massively successful album after album, era after era. That’s what the original topic of this thread clearly demonstrates, for her US success specifically - through consistently racking up multiple weeks at #1 for almost all of her albums for 17 years, she’s broken a milestone record for all solo artists and is the only artist legitimately in the running to challenge the Beatles. If you’re nitpicking those specific metrics of success, you’re missing what makes her so successful (and such an outlier) in the first place. 1 1
Sweetness Posted December 29, 2023 Posted December 29, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said: The number of countries in which a song reaches #1 is more or less completely irrelevant against that actual total units moved by the song. Peaks aren’t everything. When accommodating for the realities of the changing way people consume music, Taylor’s albums do actually rank as some of the most successful of all time; 1989 is in the top 60 most consumed albums of all time going by ChartMasters’ methodology, for example. More importantly, having an album or two among the top albums of all time, or having a single peak high in 50+ countries, isn’t actually even necessary in her case. Taylor’s defining characteristic as a commercial phenomenon is her consistency across two decades of music - she has only just peaked despite already being massively successful album after album, era after era. That’s what the original topic of this thread clearly demonstrates, for her US success specifically - through consistently racking up multiple weeks at #1 for almost all of her albums for 17 years, she’s broken a milestone record for all solo artists and is the only artist legitimately in the running to challenge the Beatles. If you’re nitpicking those specific metrics of success, you’re missing what makes her so successful (and such an outlier) in the first place. So her success is mostly focused in a certain area by your own statement, it's not nitpicking, you have 195 countries in the world, there are tons of charts and records to be broken, she wouldn't even be in the top 5 in most markets for success/sales. So she is not a global dominating force and that's a fact and therefore cannot be the biggest artist in the world. How many weeks someone stay on a chart is not record most even think or care about especially one country chart. So we must ignore the rest of the world and only focus on the few markets she successful in? Edited December 29, 2023 by Sweetness spelling 3
FightDragonsWithMe Posted December 29, 2023 Posted December 29, 2023 6 minutes ago, Sweetness said: So her success is mostly focused in a certain area by your own statement, it's not nitpicking, you have 195 countries in the world, there are tons of charts and records to be broken, she wouldn't even be in the top 5 in most markets for success/sales. So she is not a global dominating force and that's a fact and therefore cannot be the biggest artist in the world. How many weeks someone stay on a chart is not record most even think or care about especially one country chart. So we must ignore the rest of the world and only focus on the few markets she successful in? Taylor is so local smashing in Australia, UK, US, all of Asia, ect. 3
Cruel Summer Posted December 29, 2023 Posted December 29, 2023 55 minutes ago, Sweetness said: So her success is mostly focused in a certain area by your own statement, it's not nitpicking, you have 195 countries in the world, there are tons of charts and records to be broken, she wouldn't even be in the top 5 in most markets for success/sales. So she is not a global dominating force and that's a fact and therefore cannot be the biggest artist in the world. How many weeks someone stay on a chart is not record most even think or care about especially one country chart. So we must ignore the rest of the world and only focus on the few markets she successful in? I was literally just using this thread’s original topic, the US chart called the Billboard 200, as an example. A little over half her global units to date have come from outside the US, which seems like a pretty normal ratio for a globally successful American artist. She’s been breaking chart records in various other countries all year. There’s no magic ratio for how global someone has to be to be the biggest artist in the world anyway, it’s just about total units moved regardless of where and how they’re distributed. 3
Big Bad Wolf Posted December 29, 2023 Posted December 29, 2023 5-10 generations from now are going to wonder how we let this happen. We have failed a nation. Elvis baby, I am SO SO SO sorry. 2
PoisonPill Posted December 29, 2023 Posted December 29, 2023 16 hours ago, Big Bad Wolf said: 5-10 generations from now are going to wonder how we let this happen. We have failed a nation. Elvis baby, I am SO SO SO sorry. And people were saying the same thing about Elvis back then… “how could this deviant hip-thruster be the worlds biggest pop star!”
Big Bad Wolf Posted December 29, 2023 Posted December 29, 2023 1 hour ago, PoisonPill said: And people were saying the same thing about Elvis back then… “how could this deviant hip-thruster be the worlds biggest pop star!” Just like they say he doesn’t deserve it now and stole from other artists and cultures. Oop
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