Into The Void Posted December 19, 2023 Posted December 19, 2023 On 12/18/2023 at 1:42 PM, Shinning said: My friend flew with Madonna in a commercial flight so some do. Expand If Madonna can fly commercial why can't Taylor?
UnderratedVocalist Posted December 19, 2023 Posted December 19, 2023 Who cares when she just reached BILLIONAIRE status? 4
spiritboy Posted December 19, 2023 Posted December 19, 2023 As if Taylor is the only person on earth that is traveling with a ptivate jet. There are lots of businessmen who do overseas trips daily, why don’t people drag them?
Asscatchem Posted December 19, 2023 Posted December 19, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 6:51 AM, spiritboy said: As if Taylor is the only person on earth that is traveling with a ptivate jet. There are lots of businessmen who do overseas trips daily, why don’t people drag them? Expand because taylor is an influential public figure and is contributing towards apathetic sentiment towards our climate crisis? 3
Sabrina Carpenter Posted December 19, 2023 Posted December 19, 2023 the way you people suddenly care about the environment only because it's about Taylor 3 1 2
hummingbird12 Posted December 19, 2023 Posted December 19, 2023 Like you wouldn't do the same for that D
Lana Banana Posted December 19, 2023 Posted December 19, 2023 On 12/18/2023 at 9:29 PM, Marla Singer said: She's probably already pre-written her Travis break-up songs with self-victimising lyrics, corny football puns and surface level self-pity about how many miles she had to fly for nothing, so she's committed to the excessive flights and making sure the media see her at every game possible. Expand Omggggggg
Mystic Boy Posted December 19, 2023 Posted December 19, 2023 wE dOnT cArE! sHeS aT tHe tOp oF tHe wOrLD 3
GlamSlam Posted December 19, 2023 Posted December 19, 2023 On 12/17/2023 at 11:47 PM, Badgalbriel said: Do they seriously think huge artists like Beyonce, or any other huge artist in a big tour are going to the airport and then waiting in the lobby for the next economic flight? Expand Madonna does, so why can't Taylor? 2
alexrex Posted December 19, 2023 Posted December 19, 2023 It's been known she's a narcissist. She even sang it in a song. 1
Bimbo Posted December 19, 2023 Posted December 19, 2023 On 12/18/2023 at 9:29 PM, Marla Singer said: She's probably already pre-written her Travis break-up songs with self-victimising lyrics, corny football puns and surface level self-pity about how many miles she had to fly for nothing, so she's committed to the excessive flights and making sure the media see her at every game possible. Expand This tea
family.guy123 Posted December 19, 2023 Posted December 19, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 11:04 AM, GlamSlam said: Madonna does, so why can't Taylor? Expand They all can. Using private jets is actually less safe than flying commercial since we can track jets in real time. It’s about comfort for them.
family.guy123 Posted December 19, 2023 Posted December 19, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 9:07 AM, Sabrina Carpenter said: the way you people suddenly care about the environment only because it's about Taylor Expand The opposite is also true, then. 1
MonsterJohn Posted December 19, 2023 Posted December 19, 2023 Trash person, trash fanbase They really think an environmental terrorist is person of the year Well plane has safety record and probability is not on her side with that travel frequency, just saying 1 1
lonnie Posted December 20, 2023 Posted December 20, 2023 There's really no need to go up for celebrities when they do **** like this. Like what's there to defend? 1
More Than A Melody Posted December 20, 2023 Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/17/2023 at 11:42 PM, The Music Industry said: The private jet thing has always been one of the most hypocritical drama in the stan world. The only difference between Taylor and most of ATRL's favs is that Taylor owns her jets, hence their flights can be constantly tracked/attributed to her, even when she loans them. Celebs normally just rent private jets instead. I'm sorry but y'all are dumb if you don't think your favs are doing the same Expand For Eras tour in Latin America, Taylor literally did Buenos Aires - New York - Rio. Buenos Aires to New York was 20.75 tons of CO2 emissions. New York to Rio 18.79. Total = 39,54 tons of CO2 emissions. Buenos Aires to Rio would've been = 4.98 An unnecessary total of 34.56. Because of this one trip that was incredibly easy to avoid, she generated MORE THAN SEVEN times the emissions the average person produces in A YEAR. NONE of our favs are doing anything even REMOTELY similar to that. Unless our favs are the Kardashians. Which get their lashings as well. Traveling via private jet is never going to stop and nobody is advocating for that. Taylor's use is immoral. She doesn't GAF because it'll never affect her, but don't use the hypocrisy argument because it's nonsensical. 4
DamianSolo Posted December 20, 2023 Posted December 20, 2023 These articles are so fake, in the sense of them being transparently irrelevant compared to the environmental damage done by so many businesses and corporations out there. If you care about climate change, go after Shell—and other establishments—producing billions of tons of CO2, not Taylor Swift. People are always focused on the bullshit and not what actually matters, which is why this world is in the state that its in. By all means, go after Taylor Swift and leave the real culprits of climate change unscathed.
ShouldersSideways Posted December 20, 2023 Posted December 20, 2023 (edited) I can't say I'd give up my private jet if I had one tbh (and I don't think anyone is asking Taylor to stop using it completely) but the argument celebrities can't go to a regular airport for safety reasons is a nonstarter. Airports will happily accommodate VIPs and get them to and from without anyone seeing them besides whoever they're on board with in first class. The British royal family often flies commercial and their safety concerns are 100x whatever Taylor's are. Edited December 20, 2023 by ShouldersSideways
ATRL Moderator MissedTheTrain Posted December 20, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 11:04 AM, GlamSlam said: Madonna does, so why can't Taylor? Expand Taylor has hordes of people wherever she goes. We've seen it quite a few times this year at private events, her own home, etc At her friend Jack Antonoff's rehearsal dinner: Leaving the recording studio: Waiting outside her house: The absolute chaos that would ensue at airports would be.....a lot. That's not to say that flying private is the only option, but it's tough to find a solution when public safety and logistics come into play. That said, tons and tons of business people and celebs fly private just as frequently; they just don't get tracked because they don't own their jets, they rent them. Taylor is one of many. I feel like the air travel industry should come up with some safer options/procedures for people like Taylor who get mobbed wherever they go to be able to fly commercial, and better ways to prevent mayhem from happening. 1 2
DRod93 Posted December 20, 2023 Posted December 20, 2023 To be honest, there should be regulations put in place.
Punky Rooster Posted December 20, 2023 Posted December 20, 2023 Yes, but does she have the chicken or the fish?
GlamSlam Posted December 20, 2023 Posted December 20, 2023 (edited) On 12/20/2023 at 9:40 PM, MissedTheTrain said: Taylor has hordes of people wherever she goes. We've seen it quite a few times this year at private events, her own home, etc The absolute chaos that would ensue at airports would be.....a lot. Expand You say that as if it's something Madonna wasn't going through at her peak. and she still flew commercial. Edited December 20, 2023 by GlamSlam
Rep2000 Posted December 21, 2023 Posted December 21, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 11:29 PM, MonsterJohn said: Trash person, trash fanbase They really think an environmental terrorist is person of the year Well plane has safety record and probability is not on her side with that travel frequency, just saying Expand You are a horrible trash, just saying. 1
ATRL Moderator MissedTheTrain Posted December 21, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted December 21, 2023 On 12/20/2023 at 10:41 PM, GlamSlam said: You say that as if it's something Madonna wasn't going through at her peak. and she still flew commercial. Expand Ok, not trying to compare them here. And that said, I find it hard to believe that Madonna only flew commercial all throughout those years. There's plenty of pictures of her stepping on/off private jets from a quick google search. Not holding it against her, just pointing it out. And on top of that...completely different generation. With social media these days, news travels instantly and Taylor's location could be spread in an instant. That's why the streets flooded so quickly in a small New Jersey town at Jack's rehearsal dinner when they were only there a few hours. So many stars who agree to take pics with fans when they're spotted in public ask them to not post it right away, because they don't want their location shared. 1
Letemtalk Posted December 21, 2023 Posted December 21, 2023 When one of her own fans died in a heatwave amplified by climate change, I thought she might have changed her lifestyle just a little. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-23/how-climate-change-made-taylor-swift-s-brazil-concert-so-dangerous I guess not. On 12/20/2023 at 8:23 PM, DamianSolo said: These articles are so fake, in the sense of them being transparently irrelevant compared to the environmental damage done by so many businesses and corporations out there. If you care about climate change, go after Shell—and other establishments—producing billions of tons of CO2, not Taylor Swift. People are always focused on the bullshit and not what actually matters, which is why this world is in the state that its in. By all means, go after Taylor Swift and leave the real culprits of climate change unscathed. Expand Do you really think that Taylor Swift owns no shares in those same businesses and corporations? Billionaires own a lot of shares. 2
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