base talk Is it okay to earn a billion dollars from being a musician and doing a world tour?

[Kasix]

17 minutes ago, alexrex said:

Taylor is a good example, but it's not only about her. It's about each one of the musicians, politics, business people who earns obscene amounts of money. 

 

That's crystal clear how the system doesn't work the way it's established. It always benefits the people on top and takes away a lot from the people who do the actual work. 

Also, how is it possible that a musician earns a billion, and thousands of doctors don't even get the minimum wage when they save lives every single f day. 

? 
 

You’re talking complete nonsense. 

1. doctors don’t make minimum wage. Doctors make 60k and up 

 

2. Taylor doesn’t “take away from the bottom”. She has a very specific skill and marketability that allows her to be only one on this planet  that can earn 1 billion from touring. Her truck drivers or dancers can do their own tour, but obviously won’t earn nearly as much. 
 

3. Doctors or truck drivers don’t deserve to make just as much as her or CEOs. Just because their jobs are more laborious or life changing. It all depends on what the market thought is fair to pay them.  Just like truck drivers couldn’t tour and make a billion, truck drivers also wouldn’t be able to take over their company and run it successfully & make a billion in revenue. It would lead to the company collapsing and making no money instead. 
 

What you’re asking for is equality of outcome and that makes absolutely no sense 

Edited December 13, 2023 by Kasix

[Bloo]

32 minutes ago, DockDock said:

in other words its okay for a musician to be  successful because people like their product=music and there is demand? well yes. duh...its okay to create a product and people like it that much to make them billionare because the demand is big. what do you want? steal money from them o a law to make them stop being successful.

Are you equating taxation with stealing?  

 

The US had its strongest economy when there was a 90% marginal tax rate on the rich. Taxes are good for society. Taylor, like everyone else, profits because of the grace of a society that we all collectively build. Members of the billionaire club need to chip back into the society that helped them amass their quality of life so that poverty doesn't exist en masse. 

[AMIT]

27 minutes ago, alexrex said:

That's crystal clear how the system doesn't work the way it's established. It always benefits the people on top and takes away a lot from the people who do the actual work. 

But that's the thing, the system IS working in the way it was intended to. It is not broken. The state(/government) is not broken, it is working how it's supposed to. It was put in place to benefit the people at the top and that's what it has always done, continues to do and will always do. Every single modern nation-state works for a given class of rich people, there are no exceptions. 

 

 

[Aethereal]

21 minutes ago, Bloo said:

Are you equating taxation with stealing?  

 

The US had its strongest economy when there was a 90% marginal tax rate on the rich. Taxes are good for society. Taylor, like everyone else, profits because of the grace of a society that we all collectively build. Members of the billionaire club need to chip back into the society that helped them amass their quality of life so that poverty doesn't exist en masse. 

Exactly. Human civilization requires collaboration. Elon Musk would not be able to achieve his current lifestyle if was stuck in an empty island all by his self. "My money is not your business" - no it is, actually, MY business when you're exploiting the system. We've all contributed to have a considerable pleasant life, instead of all that money to go to your Bank Account as a Top 5 billionaire trophy or investing in impossible narcissistic Mars trips in order to mark your name in history books to boost your own ego. 

[littlebodybigheart]

the fact that y’all are out here comparing your shifts flipping burgers at mcdonald’s to somebody that entertains millions of people around the world…

 

yeah, she deserves it.

[Bloo]

46 minutes ago, littlebodybigheart said:

the fact that y’all are out here comparing your shifts flipping burgers at mcdonald’s to somebody that entertains millions of people around the world…

 

yeah, she deserves it.

When the economy and society was in scrambles because of COVID-19, corporations and the world at large were scared shitless about losing these "essential" workers we rely on to get food in our stomachs that you're now mocking. However, nobody was worried about Loverfest being binned due to COVID.

 

While Taylor makes great music and I appreciate her artistry (e.g., I've listened to IION? more than 600 times according to my LastFM), the world would not stop spinning if she stopped making music. If fast food workers disappeared, a lot of hell would follow.

 

All work is essential and should be respected as such.

[Chris]

What the hell is this thread?

 

[Dekkan]

Blame the game, not the player.

[Raphy23]

WAY harder? I work hard but I’ve never worked a day in my life harder than Taylor’s. Does she even sleep? 

[littlebodybigheart]

3 hours ago, Bloo said:

When the economy and society was in scrambles because of COVID-19, corporations and the world at large were scared shitless about losing these "essential" workers we rely on to get food in our stomachs that you're now mocking. However, nobody was worried about Loverfest being binned due to COVID.

 

While Taylor makes great music and I appreciate her artistry (e.g., I've listened to IION? more than 600 times according to my LastFM), the world would not stop spinning if she stopped making music. If fast food workers disappeared, a lot of hell would follow.

 

All work is essential and should be respected as such.

i don’t eat them nasty fast food burgers. y’all be safe though 

 

not every job deserves to get paid the same and that’s that on that. let that lady earn her money and you need to focus on earning yours instead of being “woe is me”. maybe the people in this thread would be millionaires themselves if they weren’t busy pocket-watching others.

Edited December 14, 2023 by littlebodybigheart

[Relampago.]

No it’s not but that’s not her fault either

[Relampago.]

 

4 minutes ago, littlebodybigheart said:

i don’t eat them nasty fast food burgers. y’all be safe though 

 

not every job deserves to get paid the same and that’s that on that. let that lady earn her money and you need to focus on earning yours instead of being “woe is me”. maybe the people in this threat would be millionaires themselves if they weren’t busy pocket-watching others.

The agricultural workers who pick the food you stuff your big mouth with get paid very little

 

Some barely even make anything cause they’re paid under the table

 

You can have your opinion on billionaires who wouldn’t p*** on you if you were on fire but acting haughty about low wage jobs that are the foundation of society in defense of pop music is an ugly and stupid look

[Bloo]

7 minutes ago, littlebodybigheart said:

i don’t eat them nasty fast food burgers. y’all be safe though 

 

not every job deserves to get paid the same and that’s that on that. let that lady earn her money and you need to focus on earning yours instead of being “woe is me”. maybe the people in this threat would be millionaires themselves if they weren’t busy pocket-watching others.

It’s not a good look that you assume anyone saying we should have a more just society where poverty doesn’t exist must also be poor and upset about their circumstances. 
 

Regardless of what you think, you live at the grace of people who are underpaid and exploited. 

[Psyduck]

It's not ok when the showbiz plutocrat, fake feminist, Mrs. LGBT-ally-only-when-she-needed-a-comeback-hit, and songwriting credit hypocrite thief (Olivia Rodrigo - Deja Vu) takes home hundreds of millions that are probably barely taxed because her parents are financial advisors and she prolly has all the tax loops on lock, while the woman who washes the bathrooms in the stadium that she plays at works a billion times harder because she doesn't get to take off several months to chill at her estate if she desires and she makes $10 an hour. It's not ok. No matter how many gifs and ~witty~ comebacks her brainwashed stans post. She is a capitalist overlord. That's what you stan. A product. A corporation. The MCU of music with the occasional artsy album track.

[MissedTheTrain]

She's worked her ass off for 18 years, and especially hard in the past 4 years.  This is a culmination of that hard work, she's earned it.  She also treats her staff graciously and pays them extremely well.

[TaylorFantasy]

Yes she deserves to be a trillionaire actually

[Psyduck]

54 minutes ago, MissedTheTrain said:

She's worked her ass off for 18 years, and especially hard in the past 4 years.  This is a culmination of that hard work, she's earned it.  She also treats her staff graciously and pays them extremely well.

You have to be delusional and/or very stupid to think that anyone can ~work hard enough~ to make hundreds of millions of dollars that they take to their bank account and that that's fair and good. People work for 20+ years and don't make 0.001% of what she makes in a couple years. You don't understand that she is one person in a huge industry and system that creates that money. She alone can't do it. She needs the producers, the label people, the marketing people, the stage people, the lighting people, the clean-up crew, the radio people etc etc etc etc. They're all working harder than her because they all actually HAVE to work and don't get to "take some time off" and go chill for 6 months like pop stars do every so often. All those people don't make 1/1000th of what she makes. If you think that's right and fair then you're either stupid or evil.

 

I don't think you understand what life is like for someone like Taylor. I've been around people like that. They are NOT working like regular people do. They are not chained to a desk. They don't have a supervisor. They don't need to ask for vacation time. They can hop on a plane literally anytime go anywhere. They can decide they want a break and take two months off during which they travel non-stop staying in 5 star luxury accommodations. When they ARE working, they're the boss, it's on their terms, they're taking breaks, they are in luxury and comfort with multiple attendants at all times. I think people tell themselves "she worked hard, she deserved it!" because it helps people feel better about themselves, like life isn't so unfair. I'm sorry, but it is. Taylor Swift has NEVER worked the way a regular person has to work. She came from money and was a multi-millionaire before she was 18. 

Edited December 14, 2023 by Psyduck

[chiliam]

its better than thousands of business men getting billionaire status by literally step on other`s people. Yes you have to cut some ***** throat to get to that level of wealth.

 

Miss Taylor does bring joy to the world and she worked hard and have talent and deserve it all

 

And stop making weird thread

[Psyduck]

41 minutes ago, chiliam said:

its better than thousands of business men getting billionaire status by literally step on other`s people. Yes you have to cut some ***** throat to get to that level of wealth.

 

Miss Taylor does bring joy to the world and she worked hard and have talent and deserve it all

 

And stop making weird thread

She has done that plenty in her industry. Especially what she did to Olivia, stealing a piece of a song that she had zero part in writing, and no you can't copyright shouting, was despicable and so low and exposes her for the massive hypocrite she is, after going on a media campaign about how it's so important for artists to own their work. Taylor is cutthroat and ruthless and fiercely competitive about her #1 spot in the music industry, when Olivia broke records with Sour release she flipped like a switch and went on the offensive. Because here comes a girl who is just as talented a writer but much younger and prettier than she is. Taylor is still selling high school fantasies (re-recorded) to women despite pushing 40, while Olivia is actually age appropriate singing about the same things. Olivia is an existential threat to her so she attacked. It was SO low. Disgusting actually. The power difference is insane. She was already close to being a billionaire then in 2021 vs a brand new artist. Incredibly abusive and disgusting all around. Destroyed my opinion of her. She's a psychopath. I said what I said I give zero fucks.

Edited December 14, 2023 by Psyduck

[Elusive Chanteuse]

Yes why not. 

[Sannie]

Swifties acting like her $100m deals with Coke and Capital One among others did not help contribute to her status is so funny. Yeah, she has considerably less deals than other popstars, but a gigantic chunk of her money comes from deals with big companies and investing.

 

But to answer your question, yes? It is impressive and probably the best, most "pure" way for an artist to make their money.

Edited December 14, 2023 by Sannie

[ttsmu]

13 minutes ago, Psyduck said:

She has done that plenty in her industry. Especially what she did to Olivia, stealing a piece of a song that she had zero part in writing, and no you can't copyright shouting, was despicable and so low and exposes her for the massive hypocrite she is, after going on a media campaign about how it's so important for artists to own their work. Taylor is cutthroat and ruthless and fiercely competitive about her #1 spot in the music industry, when Olivia broke records with Sour release she flipped like a switch and went on the offensive. Because here comes a girl who is just as talented a writer but much younger and prettier than she is. Taylor is still selling high school fantasies (re-recorded) to women despite pushing 40, while Olivia is actually age appropriate singing about the same things. Olivia is an existential threat to her so she attacked. It was SO low. Disgusting actually. The power difference is insane. She was already close to being a billionaire then in 2021 vs a brand new artist. Incredibly abusive and disgusting all around. Destroyed my opinion of her. She's a psychopath. I said what I said I give zero fucks.

OMG. No lies detected.

[khalyan]

No billionaires are ethical

[WildHeart]

7 hours ago, AMIT said:

Not really. There are millions of people doing essential work every day (cleaning, construction, food, even scientific and reproductive labor) that often gets devalued and even not credited period. They are not doing those to earn profits. Artists are not creating art out of wanting to make a profit. Such rhetoric is born out of the conservative notion that without some guy at the top telling others what to do or what to produce society would collapse when... society was doing fine before capitalism (and before that other hierarchical economical systems like mercantilism/feudalism) came into place. Sure there was misery and poverty, but it was nothing compared to the misery and violence brought upon with the advent of global capitalism. Capitalists don't produce anything, they simply own the means of production so other people are forced to work for them for their own subsistence. 

People who loves to contribute to society without profit, especially in fields that requires more effort are very, very small portion of society. 

 

Why would someone become an engineer and work on new technologies if they earn similar to a truck driver? Why would anyone take the risk of investing if they will end up earning same as a waiter? I am not saying that there wouldn't be people who would be interested in but you would cut the interest and productivity by 80% at least. 

 

I believe we should tax rich much more but there is a massive difference between taxing high and taxing 99.9%. Latter only kills productivity and development which is a recipe for a disaster in the long run and it was, countless times by the societies of past who tried a similar approach.

Your idea of a world where people make such efforts thanks to good intentions is very utopian and is not realistic. 

[chiliam]

4 hours ago, Psyduck said:

She has done that plenty in her industry. Especially what she did to Olivia, stealing a piece of a song that she had zero part in writing, and no you can't copyright shouting, was despicable and so low and exposes her for the massive hypocrite she is, after going on a media campaign about how it's so important for artists to own their work. Taylor is cutthroat and ruthless and fiercely competitive about her #1 spot in the music industry, when Olivia broke records with Sour release she flipped like a switch and went on the offensive. Because here comes a girl who is just as talented a writer but much younger and prettier than she is. Taylor is still selling high school fantasies (re-recorded) to women despite pushing 40, while Olivia is actually age appropriate singing about the same things. Olivia is an existential threat to her so she attacked. It was SO low. Disgusting actually. The power difference is insane. She was already close to being a billionaire then in 2021 vs a brand new artist. Incredibly abusive and disgusting all around. Destroyed my opinion of her. She's a psychopath. I said what I said I give zero fucks.

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