Harsh2256 Posted December 13, 2023 Posted December 13, 2023 Hard work paid off all upcoming artists should take notes from her. I thought this would be 900M max when she first started.
BtDecember Posted December 13, 2023 Posted December 13, 2023 1 hour ago, airplane said: yall have nothing else to talk about outside of money, her net worth etc? Visit her fanbase here if u wanna talk some other else
AxelFox Posted December 13, 2023 Posted December 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Trent W said: Proud of her, for being so successful But idgaf, is not my money I think is stupid to brag about celeb’s wealth tbh. I think it makes sense when one is an upcoming artist, or somebody that still has to prove themselves commercially and establish a core audience. You'd be preoccupied by wanting that artist to have big success so that they can achieve artistic freedom and not be worried about the financing of future projects. But taylor swift has long passed that threshold, and the only reason her fans are so desperate to flaunt it in everyone's faces is because most people who are knowledgeable about pop culture & music can see she has very little to offer as an actual artist and entertainer so they try to deflect from that by screaming about how much she sells. 2 4
MatiRod Posted December 13, 2023 Posted December 13, 2023 (edited) If you count the tour + merch + all the units all her albums have moved since Midnights release + licensing + publishing it's probably much higher than that, in the $3-$4 billion range. It's definitely the biggest year of any music act ever in terms of raw $$$. Edited December 13, 2023 by MatiRod
Shimenawa Posted December 13, 2023 Posted December 13, 2023 She's a hard worker you have to give her that compared to all the other lazy pop girlies!
Headlock Posted December 13, 2023 Posted December 13, 2023 2 hours ago, airplane said: yall have nothing else to talk about outside of money, her net worth etc? Yet you feel the need to contribute every time Also her base exclusively talks music, and anytime there’s threads about it outside of it y’all are the same people that come in talking about how you don’t like it, so what is it then 5
NoOneDiesFromLove Posted December 13, 2023 Posted December 13, 2023 4 hours ago, moo said: Only way she gets POTY for 2024 is if she wins the presidential election, since the award is almost always given to the election winner (like in 2020 where Biden & Harris were given it despite Ms. COVID slaying that whole year). So I'd say there's a decent chance then. Ms. Swift is very ambitious, and it'd be great promo for rep TV. She’s not busy on election night
Anvarie Posted December 13, 2023 Posted December 13, 2023 13 minutes ago, Shimenawa said: She's a hard worker you have to give her that compared to all the other lazy pop girlies! If she was hard working she would invest in vocal lessons like Gaga did for the Oscars medley or dance lessons like Dua did after that embarrassing viral clip. She has all this money and access to anything and she doesn’t want to improve her artistry?
Klein Posted December 13, 2023 Posted December 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, Anvarie said: If she was hard working she would invest in vocal lessons like Gaga did for the Oscars medley or dance lessons like Dua did after that embarrassing viral clip. She has all this money and access to anything and she doesn’t want to improve her artistry? It appears her artistry is perfectly fine considering that the entire world is fighting to see her perform her music for more than 3 hours (and that 151 stadium dates are not even close to satisfy the demand), that she's had 6 AOTY nominations with 3 wins (so far) out of 10 albums, and that she's one of the most critically acclaimed pop star of her generation. But I guess she's not a real artist because she can't dance and never will be able to? 5 1
AxelFox Posted December 13, 2023 Posted December 13, 2023 23 minutes ago, Klein said: It appears her artistry is perfectly fine considering that the entire world is fighting to see her perform her music for more than 3 hours (and that 151 stadium dates are not even close to satisfy the demand), that she's had 6 AOTY nominations with 3 wins (so far) out of 10 albums, and that she's one of the most critically acclaimed pop star of her generation. But I guess she's not a real artist because she can't dance and never will be able to? Y'all sure know how to deflect from the topic at hand, don't you? She is an artist, but being a SINGER and an entertainer requires more than writing a few teenage love lyrics. Quincy Jones is an artist, Max Martin is an artist, heck Jack Anatonoff is an artist too. But their scope and area of activity is very different. Taylor swift chooses to go on stage and PERFORM every night, and that requires her to SING (which you shamelessly omitted) and/or dance well. And she is objectively very weak at both. Like, among worst-to-ever-do-it weak. I can't think of another act that has gone on a massive world concert tour that has as little performing talent as she does. Has selina gomez ever gone on a huge world tour? If yes then sure, I guess taylor can be 2nd worst but if not...
Klein Posted December 13, 2023 Posted December 13, 2023 1 minute ago, AxelFox said: Y'all sure know how to deflect from the topic at hand, don't you? She is an artist, but being a SINGER and an entertainer requires more than writing a few teenage love lyrics. Quincy Jones is an artist, Max Martin is an artist, heck Jack Anatonoff is an artist too. But their scope and area of activity is very different. Taylor swift chooses to go on stage and PERFORM every night, and that requires her to SING (which you shamelessly omitted) and/or dance well. And she is objectively very weak at both. Like, among worst-to-ever-do-it weak. I can't think of another act that has gone on a massive world concert tour that has as little performing talent as she does. Has selina gomez ever gone on a huge world tour? If yes then sure, I guess taylor can be 2nd worst but if not... I ignored the comment about her singing because I'm just tired of saying that while she's not the most gifted vocalist, she still is a decent enough one. Nothing spectacular, but it does the job. That's just something you won't ever admit. The rest of the world noticed she just keeps getting better. You won't admit it, but she wouldn't be touring like she is if people did not think she was an excellent performer. Her show is impressive, and everyone loves it except bitter gays on the internet. That's why people are floating to see her on stage and on screen. But it's certainly easier to delude yourself into thinking people are just brainwashed and think they like it rather than admitting that something you don't like can be that beloved by others. You call Swifties obsessed with numbers but that's what entirely fuels your hatred towards her. Reflect on that. It only exudes jealousy and bitterness because it's not your fave getting all this. 6
AxelFox Posted December 13, 2023 Posted December 13, 2023 15 minutes ago, Klein said: I ignored the comment about her singing because I'm just tired of saying that while she's not the most gifted vocalist, she still is a decent enough one. Nothing spectacular, but it does the job. That's just something you won't ever admit. The rest of the world noticed she just keeps getting better. You won't admit it, but she wouldn't be touring like she is if people did not think she was an excellent performer. Her show is impressive, and everyone loves it except bitter gays on the internet. That's why people are floating to see her on stage and on screen. But it's certainly easier to delude yourself into thinking people are just brainwashed and think they like it rather than admitting that something you don't like can be that beloved by others. You call Swifties obsessed with numbers but that's what entirely fuels your hatred towards her. Reflect on that. It only exudes jealousy and bitterness because it's not your fave getting all this. She quite literally isn't and that's not the reason most concert attendees go to see her either, but because her & her music are popular. And no circling around excuses will change that. I do not think people are brainwashed and pretend they like it, it's perfectly valid to like and enjoy her show. Because the joy of listening your favorite music performed live is universal and subjective. What is not subjective and I think her (online) fans have deluded themselves into are her actual capabilities as a performer because that takes away from actually gifted performers who have built a reputation on their outstanding skills in this field. That is what fuels my disdain towards her fans, not because I hate Taylor Swift. I do like music from Taylor swift and listen to it and have no problem admitting it, but her fans weaponizing her success to gaslight everyone that she is something that she is not does not sit well with me. The narrative that we're 'jealous your fave is not getting this' is beyond stupid as well. What is 'this' and what how would it benefit any of us? Beyonce has already amassed enough fame and fortune to continue doing this and financing music project for 10 lifetimes from now and that's basically all I care about as a fan. The fact that she does 50m, 500m or 1billion makes no difference at this point. We don't need her being the most commercially succesful artist ever to validate her worth as an artist & entertainer. 1
Klein Posted December 13, 2023 Posted December 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, AxelFox said: She quite literally isn't and that's not the reason most concert attendees go to see her either, but because her & her music are popular. And no circling around excuses will change that. See, this is where I don't agree with you. You have artists that are not that popular (and nor is their music) and still have gigantic tours (Pink), and you have artists that are incredibly popular and their music is also incredibly popular and have subpar touring power (Rihanna). Your touring reputation is the most important aspect of being a successful touring act. That's why despite declining popularity over time, Madonna is still pulling numbers. Same can be said about Beyoncé. She's definitely not at an all time high in terms of popularity and still she's getting her biggest tour to date and one of the biggest tours of all time. And how do you build a great touring reputation? By being a talented performer, and making sure your shows are always a delight for anyone in the building and even outside. Taylor would never have a fraction of the touring demand she currently has if people didn't think she was a talented performer. 11 minutes ago, AxelFox said: What is not subjective and I think her (online) fans have deluded themselves into are her actual capabilities as a performer because that takes away from actually gifted performers who have built a reputation on their outstanding skills in this field. And I find it weird to think that acknowledging Taylor Swift is talented takes away from the talent of others. Admitting Taylor is talented does not take anything away from Beyoncé's otherwordly performing abilities, or anyone else. 5
PoisonedIvy Posted December 13, 2023 Posted December 13, 2023 Sorry, I’ve always loved Taylor’s vocals and I’ve noticed them get stronger and stronger each year. I don’t expect her to ever belt alongside Celine Dion nor do I care for her to, her tone is pleasant and comforting and emotionally versatile. Us admitting we love Taylor’s performance capabilities does not “invalidate” the strength of performers with powerhouse vocals or complex choreography. Stop “not understanding” it and just let it be. 3
AxelFox Posted December 13, 2023 Posted December 13, 2023 39 minutes ago, Klein said: See, this is where I don't agree with you. You have artists that are not that popular (and nor is their music) and still have gigantic tours (Pink), and you have artists that are incredibly popular and their music is also incredibly popular and have subpar touring power (Rihanna). Your touring reputation is the most important aspect of being a successful touring act. That's why despite declining popularity over time, Madonna is still pulling numbers. Same can be said about Beyoncé. She's definitely not at an all time high in terms of popularity and still she's getting her biggest tour to date and one of the biggest tours of all time. And how do you build a great touring reputation? By being a talented performer, and making sure your shows are always a delight for anyone in the building and even outside. Taylor would never have a fraction of the touring demand she currently has if people didn't think she was a talented performer. You're only going back and forth between circumstances that would support the claim of her being a great performer while ignoring the obvious and core of it, which is that her performing talents and skills are subpar. This is not a one size fits all type of thing and is very situational. Not to mention Taylor swift is not an exception to the rule or anything; just look at bad bunny or ed sheeran who are also very weak performers but have huge touring numbers. Obviously not as big as Taylor's but they are also not that popular or have as dedicated of a fanbase so it's relative. 47 minutes ago, Klein said: And I find it weird to think that acknowledging Taylor Swift is talented takes away from the talent of others. Admitting Taylor is talented does not take anything away from Beyoncé's otherwordly performing abilities, or anyone else. It does because this is literal propaganda and spread of false information and I will not stand by that. Taylor swift has her talents for sure but her performing abilities are not where they lie and are most definitely not the reason she is filling stadiums.
Klein Posted December 13, 2023 Posted December 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, AxelFox said: You're only going back and forth between circumstances that would support the claim of her being a great performer while ignoring the obvious and core of it, which is that her performing talents and skills are subpar. This is not a one size fits all type of thing and is very situational. Not to mention Taylor swift is not an exception to the rule or anything; just look at bad bunny or ed sheeran who are also very weak performers but have huge touring numbers. Obviously not as big as Taylor's but they are also not that popular or have as dedicated of a fanbase so it's relative. It does because this is literal propaganda and spread of false information and I will not stand by that. Taylor swift has her talents for sure but her performing abilities are not where they lie and are most definitely not the reason she is filling stadiums. Let's just agree to disagree then, because I won't budge on my opinion, and it seems like you won't either. For me (and many many others), Taylor is a decent vocalist (even if not a gifted one), she can command a stadium like very few others with fantastic stage presence, and has spectacular shows with excellent production. 3
Headlock Posted December 13, 2023 Posted December 13, 2023 3 hours ago, AxelFox said: It does because this is literal propaganda and spread of false information and I will not stand by that. 2
Anvarie Posted December 13, 2023 Posted December 13, 2023 6 hours ago, Klein said: It appears her artistry is perfectly fine considering that the entire world is fighting to see her perform her music for more than 3 hours (and that 151 stadium dates are not even close to satisfy the demand), that she's had 6 AOTY nominations with 3 wins (so far) out of 10 albums, and that she's one of the most critically acclaimed pop star of her generation. But I guess she's not a real artist because she can't dance and never will be able to? Her artistry is not perfectly fine. Her vocals could be improved and stage presence could be improved. It would only be a net positive, I don’t see why anybody would be against their fav getting better
Anvarie Posted December 13, 2023 Posted December 13, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Klein said: Let's just agree to disagree then, because I won't budge on my opinion, and it seems like you won't either. For me (and many many others), Taylor is a decent vocalist (even if not a gifted one), she can command a stadium like very few others with fantastic stage presence, and has spectacular shows with excellent production. Taylor has had several clips of her tours go viral because of her lackluster vocals/stage presence. Please explain what you as a fan lose by having your favorite artist get some dance lessons or a vocal coach . Imagine how much more grand and impressive her shows would be! Edited December 13, 2023 by Anvarie
Klein Posted December 13, 2023 Posted December 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Anvarie said: Taylor has had several clips of her tours go viral because of her lackluster vocals/stage presence. Please explain what you as a fan lose by having your favorite artist get some dance lessons or a vocal coach . Imagine how much more grand and impressive her shows would be! The only negative viral clips of her tour are the ones about her dancing. She can spend as much time in dance training as she wants but 1) I really don't care about choreo from her, that's not what 99% of her music calls for and 2) she will never be a good dancer, no matter how hard she tries so who cares. In terms of vocal, only a delulu would argue that she hasn't improved tremendously over the years. The mere fact she can do 4 back-to-back three and a half hour shows and still sound good and healthy on the fourth is clear indication that her vocal technique is much better, i.e. she spent time working on her voice. And she'll keep getting better because she never stopped working on that. I'd rather have her spend time in a recording studio than in a dance studio, and I'm more than fed on that front. I'd rather have her work on the acoustic versions of her songs for the show than on the RFI choreo, which she'll never nails anyway. 4
Steve Johnson Posted December 13, 2023 Posted December 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Klein said: The only negative viral clips of her tour are the ones about her dancing. She can spend as much time in dance training as she wants but 1) I really don't care about choreo from her, that's not what 99% of her music calls for and 2) she will never be a good dancer, no matter how hard she tries so who cares. In terms of vocal, only a delulu would argue that she hasn't improved tremendously over the years. The mere fact she can do 4 back-to-back three and a half hour shows and still sound good and healthy on the fourth is clear indication that her vocal technique is much better, i.e. she spent time working on her voice. And she'll keep getting better because she never stopped working on that. I'd rather have her spend time in a recording studio than in a dance studio, and I'm more than fed on that front. I'd rather have her work on the acoustic versions of her songs for the show than on the RFI choreo, which she'll never nails anyway. This.
Badgalbriel Posted December 13, 2023 Posted December 13, 2023 6 hours ago, AxelFox said: Y'all sure know how to deflect from the topic at hand, don't you? She is an artist, but being a SINGER and an entertainer requires more than writing a few teenage love lyrics. Quincy Jones is an artist, Max Martin is an artist, heck Jack Anatonoff is an artist too. But their scope and area of activity is very different. Taylor swift chooses to go on stage and PERFORM every night, and that requires her to SING (which you shamelessly omitted) and/or dance well. And she is objectively very weak at both. Like, among worst-to-ever-do-it weak. I can't think of another act that has gone on a massive world concert tour that has as little performing talent as she does. Has selina gomez ever gone on a huge world tour? If yes then sure, I guess taylor can be 2nd worst but if not... Beyonce sang "personal" songs for he entire last album and that requires her to WRITE, which she doesn't do, so.... 3
Recommended Posts