celeb news Pollstar: Taylor Swift is biggest dominating artist in culture since prime MJ/Madonna

[Solaria]

Anyways, Taylor led the female revolution and ended the male dominance of the 2017-2018 trap and mumble rap era and for that we thank her eternally.

 

[Steve Johnson]

11 minutes ago, Love Again said:

Exactly. Be like me. Remember my ''Taylor has a panned discography, surprised?'' thread. That's ART. You ******* could NEVER 

Your OTH era will forever be etched in my memory. 

[AvadaKedavra]

Thanks to all the people who explained to me the Debut and Fearless era. So interesting woah 

Now my thoughts about her peak and why it happened  i dont think is just one thing. Is a summatory of things. Everything went right
She's just very "LazerLike detailed" with her career-life. Is like she's managin her career like a successful corporation
So many artists are just like....Lets release an album and see where it goes.  Taylor doesnt. She's a planner. She would be great with Marketing
I wonder if she has been like this since she was a little child. 

All My thoughts about her Mega-Stardom in this Spoiler.
 

Spoiler

1. The Connection with her fans is unmatched. Gaga had this too or Bieber but they just dropped that cause they were afraid of the fans crazyness-messyness.  Taylor even invited her fans to her house multiple times? Taylor relationship with her fans feels like a deep friendship and she's really grateful to them 

2. She's perpetually releasing stuff since 2006. She's has the best work ethic in the whole pop industry. Shes the popgirl who takes the less time to release a new album if you check the average time of releases of each pop girl. 

3. She moved to different directions musically but at a slower pace. To not alienate or freakout her fanbase. Great buildup at the begginin of her career. Smart.  Miley and Xtina are like the opposite in this context. Changin too fast of genres and turning the fans or gp

4. Her songwriting is really beautiful. Im a southamerican native spanish speaker and even without listening her like a native anglo speaker...I can feel the beauty of her poetry. It Creates Very vivid images in your mind.  

5. Her songwriting is very relatable to people life situations. Is like she's speakin directly to experiences we had and theyre very thoughtful. She's like an writer turned singer

6. She can be commercial but she shows edge and it gives her artistic credibility. She plays instruments. She's involved in her career. 

7. Her songs are some of the best for melancholia and thats a very common emotion today. Folklore and Evermore just speak a lot to our depressed.nostalgic or confused selves

8. I think Taylor can be really relatable to some of us with her things. She just likes cooking,goin to the woods,watching movies and spending time with the cats and friends. She gives typical american vibes from a random town. Other popgirls have more strange lives and feel weirder in their personalities.  Taylor feel very "evil mastermind" to some people but the fans now her cutesy standard self lol

9. Taylor still feels very "Teen" sometimes in contrast with the other pop girls who give you Grown Up woman vibes. Thats appealing to Gen Z. Her youth energy

10. Taylor life has been filled with drama and scrutiny and thats awful but at the same time it fueled her career.  Like Shakira said one time in her past...."Good or Bad i would be worried when people stop talkin about me. Mal o Bien pero que Hablen. Si no estoy causando ningun tipo de conversacion es preocupante"

11. She catered to white people in the United States. Aka the richest fanbase and the largest demography in the states. The most powerful nation in the planet. 

12. Taylor worked with the best producer ever aka Max Martin. He helped to push her career so much to the sky and above. Both talents were a perfect match.  

13. Taylor worked with Joseph Kahn and he's one of the best music video directors all time. She was not cheap. Taylor gave him good money for some top notch videoclips

14. Taylor always invest in her tours. They feel great and expensive and like such an experience even if she's not the most proficient dancer

15. Taylor is serving family friendly music and not sex. When women serve sex theyre cannibalized. Taylor got respect for her unproblematic music

16. Taylor is stunning. She looks very fairytale-esque very doll like. Beauty privilegue exist in the pop world with all the popgals.  She's like the Frozen Movie turned singer. It has appeal. Is like Ariana Grande who look cutesy or Rihanna who is sexy af.  Some pop girls have a very special kind of beauty.

17. The Easter Egg thing is interesting to so many people and her lore. Specially about her personal life-exes

18. Taylor is ambitious. Always lookin for Bigger things. So many of the old popgirls just lost it.

19. All her Aesthethic changes look pleasing. She didnt cut her hair short like katy or doja did

20. Even if her music feel similar all her Eras have very distinctive looks and feel like totally different chapters. The concepts are interesting. 

21. Her music is versatile and she's not dependent on one genre or music wave like the electropop one---pop rock.  If a trend passes she can stay still cool

22. So many in the industry hate her but also so many have deep love for her cause she treats them real good

23. She knows how to manipulate the narrative. Madonna did it too

24. Opposite to so many singers she has never shitted on her fans

25. This can be controversial but Taylor is a white blonde blue eyes woman.  Race privilegue exist.  Im a latino of white skin and i been praised by international people from asia just cause i was white skinned. I have seen how some of my friends who have darker tones have been discriminated in my country even when theyre more beautiful than me.  I also live in a country where european spanish colonialism past is still rumbling and u can see how people praise people when they have blue-green-hazel eyes or look white. Is a worldwide thing.

26. Taylor is mysterious. It makes her life so interesting. U cant escape

27. Taylor had supportive parents. That grounded her and helped her to keep her sanity and clean lifestyle

28. She's a highly charismatic person and sweet person.  Look how she was able to persuade people to buy her debut record

29. she Doesnt have a Harsh or angry personality like some singers today 

30. She's not the best dancer or mega vocalist but she made lemonade with lemons. She's resilient. She went above the comparations and hard competition in the industry with pop titans everywhere. Even if you dont have all the tools u can still make magic.  U can be the nr1 even if you dont feel as skillfull as them

Now lemme finish with this awesome gif

Edited December 7, 2023 by AvadaKedavra

[burninredhot]

When was Gaga even a part of these conversations tho 

[byzantium]

6 hours ago, Sebastián Muñoz said:

I wouldn't use voice range or singing capabilities; it would be unfair to compare Taylor with Adele or Gaga using those metrics. And no, do I really have to repeat everything that I've already mentioned? Users here seem to have a hard time thinking about something other than money, which is an "objective metric" for a businesswoman, but it's not the only factor to consider when talking about an artist. 

 

 

 

 

 

You said nothing of substance here and it is just a little sad that you don’t even realize that. 

[Raspberries]

5 hours ago, HEAVYONIT said:

Saying this as probably a white girl that has no idea about anything related to female rap and Nicki's impact on the genre, which would be insanely ignorant to deny. Sorry my opinion triggered you. 

You have no idea what my ethnicity or gender are  

 

Taylor's own impact includes your fave since Nicki herself credits Taylor for Super Bass blowing up  So without Taylor, Nicki wouldn't have been as big as she was back in the early 10s. How dumb can you be?

Edited December 7, 2023 by Raspberries

[HEAVYONIT]

30 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

You have no idea what my ethnicity or gender are  

 

Taylor's own impact includes your fave since Nicki herself credits Taylor for Super Bass blowing up  So without Taylor, Nicki wouldn't have been as big as she was back in the early 10s. How dumb can you be?

Your gender/ethnicity are showing with comments like that. Taylor helped SUPER BASS take off. Nicki was already making huge moves in the hip-hop community before that. Pink Friday opened with 375k album units in 2010 and no other female rap album has been able to achieve that since! Taylor had nothing to do with that. Super Bass was released as a single well after the album dropped in 2011, so get a clue. 

[Raspberries]

8 minutes ago, HEAVYONIT said:

Your gender/ethnicity are showing with comments like that. Taylor helped SUPER BASS take off. Nicki was already making huge moves in the hip-hop community before that. Pink Friday opened with 375k album units in 2010 and no other female rap album has been able to achieve that since! Taylor had nothing to do with that. Super Bass was released as a single well after the album dropped in 2011, so get a clue. 

You are absolutely hopeless if you think Nicki would have gotten as big as she did without Super Bass. There is a reason that every time something happens with Super Bass, whether it be 1B on YouTube, winning an award, going Diamond, etc. Nicki makes sure to thank Taylor  She has done it like a dozen times. Super Bass was literally just a bonus track and then took off on iTunes once Taylor played it. It was made a single after all this and then smashed. 
 

Super Bass being a huge crossover pop hit is what pushed Nicki to do more pop songs like Starships, Pound the Alarm, Turn Me On, etc. And, like I said before, is one of the reasons she got as big as she did in the early 2010s

 

Your fave herself thanks Taylor. Maybe you should too 

Edited December 7, 2023 by Raspberries

[HEAVYONIT]

19 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

You are absolutely hopeless if you think Nicki would have gotten as big as she did without Super Bass. There is a reason that every time something happens with Super Bass, whether it be 1B on YouTube, winning an award, going Diamond, etc. Nicki makes sure to thank Taylor  She has done it like a dozen times. Super Bass was literally just a bonus track and then took off on iTunes once Taylor played it. It was made a single after all this and then smashed. 
 

Super Bass being a huge crossover pop hit is what pushed Nicki to do more pop songs like Starships, Pound the Alarm, Turn Me On, etc. And, like I said before, is one of the reasons she got as big as she did in the early 2010s

 

Your fave herself thanks Taylor. Maybe you should too 

I never said Taylor didn't have anything to do with that, so congrats on writing that paragraph for nothing. But to infer Taylor is the reason that Nicki is as successful as she is today is insane. I know Nicki's career trajectory way more than you do. YOU'RE the one who chose to use insults over my comments about Taylor, which weren't insulting at all. Your fave talks a lot about being compassionate and supportive of other artists, so maybe you should take her advice. 

Edited December 7, 2023 by HEAVYONIT

[Richie.Valdez]

8 hours ago, spree said:

Taylor's current monstrous peak isn't because of the music, it's because she's kept herself at the forefront of pop culture by releasing nonstop for years.  Gaga's peak was huge cuz her music was just a little bit different than everybody else's. Plus the videos catapulted her success.   Adele was huge cuz her music was also different, and she was not your typical pop star.  Midnights is not different than any other Taylor album, so it can't be about the music. 

You are getting downvoted because her stans are unhinged. But you are right.. to having someone buying her masters was the best thing that ever happened to Taylor Swift Inc. She gets to live off her old material by re-branding it and re-releasing it and marketing as an artist normally would a new release. 
 

All that while releasing mild new music (midnights and the subpar forgotten vault tracks).

[Raspberries]

1 hour ago, HEAVYONIT said:

I never said Taylor didn't have anything to do with that, so congrats on writing that paragraph for nothing. But to infer Taylor is the reason that Nicki is as successful as she is today is insane. I know Nicki's career trajectory way more than you do. YOU'RE the one who chose to use insults over my comments about Taylor, which weren't insulting at all. Your fave talks a lot about being compassionate and supportive of other artists, so maybe you should take her advice. 

Who said Taylor was the reason? I said Super Bass was the reason and Taylor is, now pay attention here, partially responsible for Super Bass. Super Bass catapulted Nicki to new heights and is her breakout pop crossover, a sound she continued for years after because of how much success Super Bass had. Nicki knows that without that song and, indirectly, Taylor's partial responsibility for that song becoming a hit, her career would not have been as big as it was back then. That is partially why Nicki is so far up Taylor's ass all the time (that and because she understands stan culture and how powerful Swifties are)

 

You're the one who made nonsensical arguments with your OP despite almost all of your arguments being able to be torn apart just by looking at Taylor's relationship with your own fave

[Cleanromantic]

10 hours ago, spree said:

Taylor's current monstrous peak isn't because of the music, it's because she's kept herself at the forefront of pop culture by releasing nonstop for years.  Gaga's peak was huge cuz her music was just a little bit different than everybody else's. Plus the videos catapulted her success.   Adele was huge cuz her music was also different, and she was not your typical pop star.  Midnights is not different than any other Taylor album, so it can't be about the music. 

The funny thing about this is that you're a Katy Perry Stan 

[spree]

2 hours ago, Richie.Valdez said:

You are getting downvoted because her stans are unhinged. But you are right.. to having someone buying her masters was the best thing that ever happened to Taylor Swift Inc. She gets to live off her old material by re-branding it and re-releasing it and marketing as an artist normally would a new release. 
 

All that while releasing mild new music (midnights and the subpar forgotten vault tracks).

Yep exactly. It’s all very basic, vanilla music.  Go into any Marshall’s and you’ll hear her music.

[BrandNewBrandon]

21 hours ago, HappierJealousy said:

Yes so Shania/Whitney/Celine/Adele is all bigger than Madonna, cause they all have an album that outsold any Madonna’s album. Got it  

And 1989 has already sold more units than 25, but that’s not important

You wrote that Taylor has got the biggest year of any female artist which is simply not true. 

 

Taylor sold 30M units based off three albums (which include a gazillion variants per album but that's not the point) and had the highest grossing tour of all time (but this is flawed logic considering U2 also had the highest-grossing tour but that didn't mean they were bigger than Michael Jackson or Madonna), while Adele sold 20M units of ONE album and had three back-to-back SMASH singles which went #1 all around the world. 

 

Midnights sold 11M units in 12 months with Anti-Hero, while Adele sold 20M units with Rolling in the Deep and Someone Like You and those songs were MUCH bigger than Anti-Hero or any singles from Midnights. Adele didn't need to add two more albums to reach 20M in one year whereas Taylor would NOT be at 20M without her re-recordings. She needed those re-recordings to reach 30M units. You can't deny that. 

[BrandNewBrandon]

21 hours ago, HappierJealousy said:

The 3.4m debut of 25 is definitely impressive, but will never be as massive as Taylor’s 1B box office tour in a single year. When the tour finished it will gather around 10 million people (and the real number is definitely much more than that cause there are tons of people failed to snatch a ticket) willing to spend $200 to see her in the concert. 

So you think Harry Styles is bigger than MJ and Madonna ever were? You think Coldplay who are set to gross $1 billion with their tour as well are bigger than MJ and Madonna ever were? 

 

By your logic, Beyoncé is the second-biggest female of all time since she's going to have the second-biggest female tour of all time 

 

Meanwhile, that "easy feat" of Adele getting 3.4 million people to buy her album has never been done by Taylor but acts who sell 300k copies in their first week like Beyoncé are somehow bigger than Madonna because they grossed more with one tour 

 

The fact that you've got a Taylor stan going against other Taylor stans tells you enough about her fanbase. 

 

Edited December 8, 2023 by BrandNewBrandon

[BrandNewBrandon]

21 hours ago, Sebastián Muñoz said:

 

I was getting into that whole money talk that swifties engage in here, but this user totally destroyed you. I could continue pointing out how Adele sold 3.48 million album-equivalent units with 25 in its first week, way more than any of Taylor's albums. And I could talk about how Taylor doesn't have an album as massive as 21 or 25, or a single as huge as Hello, Rolling in the deep, or someone like you. But the thing is, I'm not trying to put Taylor down. I'm saying that these days, the music industry can't make stars as big in the media as it used to. 

 

I don't really want to rehash everything I've already said. But when you said that "my feelings" were my receipts, it shows you didn't read all the data I shared. That's on you. 

 

I'm going to reply to you even though I think potentially all of them will read this.

 

Let's just say it how it is. Those 30M units that are being pushed around that Taylor sold this year consist of three albums and different editions of said albums in different physical forms. So it's like this:

 

An Adele fan: Buys 1 copy of 21 

 

A Taylor fan: Buys one copy of Midnights, one copy of Speak Now (TV), one copy of 1989 (TV), one copy of Midnights (Moonstone Blue Edition (the standard version), one copy of Midnights in vinyl, one copy of Speak Now (TV) Violet Marbled edition on Vinyl, one copy of 1989 (TV) Rose Garden Pink edition AND streams each of the albums at least once at home.

 

Adele winds up selling 20M units in one year with mostly one copy per person, while Taylor gets to 30M units with three albums and all of its variants along with streams from home which also counts towards her overall units this year.  

 

And then they gaslight us into thinking she had 30M individual costumers in one year whereas Adele had 20M.

 

Take away her two releases and she's done 11 million with only one studio album.

 

Adele did 20M with only one studio album. 

 

And they claim Taylor's year is bigger because she inflated her sales with additional variants that they proudly admit they bought because they are dedicated fans but will exclude that detail when talking about what those 30M units actually consist of. 

 

I read through your posts and you're totally right. It's also completely bonkers they're alluding to you not being a good Taylor fan because you don't praise her 100 percent of the time and say her farts smell like roses. 

 

At this point I wouldn't blame you for jumping ship. And you know what? The fact that you say stuff how they are is what makes you a better fan than them. Don't let their negative posts ruin your enjoyment of Taylor 

 

 

Edited December 8, 2023 by BrandNewBrandon

[HappierJealousy]

46 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

You wrote that Taylor has got the biggest year of any female artist which is simply not true. 

 

Taylor sold 30M units based off three albums (which include a gazillion variants per album but that's not the point) and had the highest grossing tour of all time (but this is flawed logic considering U2 also had the highest-grossing tour but that didn't mean they were bigger than Michael Jackson or Madonna), while Adele sold 20M units of ONE album and had three back-to-back SMASH singles which went #1 all around the world. 

 

Midnights sold 11M units in 12 months with Anti-Hero, while Adele sold 20M units with Rolling in the Deep and Someone Like You and those songs were MUCH bigger than Anti-Hero or any singles from Midnights. Adele didn't need to add two more albums to reach 20M in one year whereas Taylor would NOT be at 20M without her re-recordings. She needed those re-recordings to reach 30M units. You can't deny that. 

It’s more like 40M units in one year not 30M. She sold 16M units in the US in a single year.

And Midnights sold 13M units at its anniversary.

The conversation must be end here. Clearly you keep comparing the biggest album of each female artists. And we’re here talking about the biggest peak, not the biggest single album. 
The fact is:

Taylor has the biggest streaming year in streaming eras.

Taylor has the biggest tour among any artist, will be 3xtimes bigger than Bey’s when it is over. 

Taylor’s 2023 is moving more units than any year of any single female artist’s.

The first two are just the bonus, cause the third fact alone is strong enough to prove the point. And nobody cares how many album you released, the Beatles released 7 studio albums in three years and these three years in undeniable one of the biggest peak of any artist if not the biggest. 

 

Edited December 8, 2023 by HappierJealousy

[byzantium]

53 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

You wrote that Taylor has got the biggest year of any female artist which is simply not true. 

 

Taylor sold 30M units based off three albums (which include a gazillion variants per album but that's not the point) and had the highest grossing tour of all time (but this is flawed logic considering U2 also had the highest-grossing tour but that didn't mean they were bigger than Michael Jackson or Madonna), while Adele sold 20M units of ONE album and had three back-to-back SMASH singles which went #1 all around the world. 

 

Midnights sold 11M units in 12 months with Anti-Hero, while Adele sold 20M units with Rolling in the Deep and Someone Like You and those songs were MUCH bigger than Anti-Hero or any singles from Midnights. Adele didn't need to add two more albums to reach 20M in one year whereas Taylor would NOT be at 20M without her re-recordings. She needed those re-recordings to reach 30M units. You can't deny that. 

Not you jumping through hoops to somehow argue that 20M is bigger than 40M

[BrandNewBrandon]

2 minutes ago, byzantium said:

Not you jumping through hoops to somehow argue that 20M is bigger than 40M

 

[BrandNewBrandon]

5 minutes ago, byzantium said:

Not you jumping through hoops to somehow argue that 20M is bigger than 40M

Not you proclaiming a person buying one copy of an album is the same as a person buying three individual albums in five different variants and three additional copies on vinyl 

Edited December 8, 2023 by BrandNewBrandon

[byzantium]

1 minute ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

Not you proclaiming a person buying one copy of an album is the same as a person buying three individual albums in five different variants and three additional copies on vinyl. 

Sound like you are arguing that one was not big enough to have a devoted fanbase. 

[HappierJealousy]

4 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

Not you proclaiming a person buying one copy of an album is the same as a person buying three individual albums in five different variants and three additional copies on vinyl 

This is streaming eras and 80% of Taylor’s units come from streams globally. Most people only bought one copy.

I can’t believe you’re still here talking about this bullshit

Edited December 8, 2023 by HappierJealousy

[BrandNewBrandon]

35 minutes ago, HappierJealousy said:

It’s more like 40M units in one year not 30M. She sold 16M units in the US in a single year.

And Midnights sold 13M units at its anniversary.

The conversation must be end here. Clearly you keep comparing the biggest album of each female artists. And we’re here talking about the biggest peak, not the biggest single album. 
The fact is:

Taylor has the biggest streaming year in streaming eras.

Taylor has the biggest tour among any artist, will be 3xtimes bigger than Bey’s when it is over. 

Taylor’s 2023 is moving more units than any year of any single female artist’s.

The first two are just the bonus, cause the third fact alone is strong enough to prove the point. And nobody cares how many album you released, the Beatles released 7 studio albums in three years and these three years in undeniable one of the biggest peak of any artist if not the biggest. 

 

Okay we all get that she sold 40M in one year. But she released three albums in 12 months and all of them in different formats. Adele sold half of that with only one album. 

 

Taylor having the biggest year in streaming is irrelevant because the others didn't peak in the streaming era. Adele has sold more digital copies of 21 in a year than anyone in history. How is that less impressive? 

 

Again, she may have the biggest tour but touring overall doesn't dictate someone being the biggest artist of all time. The entire top 5 of all time tours are from 2022-23. 

 

Let's be honest here. What you're saying is having Taylor's fans buy three albums each in different variants is more impressive than 20M people buying one Adele album. 

 

Adele's peak year also should include her single sales, which are not counted in that total. Taylor's are. Adele sold 20M copies of her album and well over 20M of her singles (Rolling in the Deep, Someone Like You, Set Fire to the Rain) but that just gets completely ignored by you guys 

Edited December 8, 2023 by BrandNewBrandon

[BrandNewBrandon]

9 minutes ago, HappierJealousy said:

This is streaming eras and 80% of Taylor’s units come from streams globally. Most people only bought one copy.

I can’t believe you’re still here talking about this bullshit

Most people bought one copy? Okay then but they bought ONE copy of THREE different albums  And you're comparing it to Adele who only had one album. 

[BrandNewBrandon]

16 minutes ago, byzantium said:

Sound like you are arguing that one was not big enough to have a devoted fanbase. 

You aren't "big enough" because you don't have a cult doing what you tell them to?  

 

That has nothing to do with that. In fact, it has mostly to do with what kind of demo you appeal to.