celeb news Taylor Swift is TIME Magazine's "Person of the Year"

[wastedpotential]

1 minute ago, Subversive said:

I hope the conversation agaisn't her getting chosen isn't why another musical artist didn't get it but rather why something related to Palestine got passed over 

 

I read that this was decided months ago (I know Taylor did her photoshoot in early October), and the winner was decided before that. There wasn't the time or the capability to change the designee this close to the announcement, especially considering that they have to print however many hundreds of thousands of magazines. 

[Dante]

cause she had a successful tour?

[Monster Queen]

7 minutes ago, Subversive said:

I hope the conversation agaisn't her getting chosen isn't why another musical artist didn't get it but rather why something related to Palestine got passed over 

 

Which artist that officially talked about Palestine should be picked as POTY? I mean, Selena Gomez？

Or which person related to these two countries should be picked? Hamas? Or the leader of Israel that I couldn't even recall his name? They're not Putin or Zelenskyy 

[poki]

That hair style + color looks good on her 

Feels very Reputation-esque hope that TV will be good that album is my favorite by Taylor. 

[GreenEnvy]

5 minutes ago, Monster Queen said:

Which artist that officially talked about Palestine should be picked as POTY? I mean, Selena Gomez？

Or which person related to these two countries should be picked? Hamas? Or the leader of Israel that I couldn't even recall his name? They're not Putin or Zelenskyy 

Hamas or the dead Palestinian journalists could make sense tbh. I'm pretty sure the selection was done before the attack anyway, maybe next year.

Edited December 6, 2023 by GreenEnvy

[Dear Reader]

5 minutes ago, Dante said:

cause she had a successful tour?

No. You can read the article for further information 

[poki]

3 minutes ago, Monster Queen said:

Which artist that officially talked about Palestine should be picked as POTY? I mean, Selena Gomez？

Or which person related to these two countries should be picked? Hamas? Or the leader of Israel that I couldn't even recall his name? They're not Putin or Zelenskyy 

2022 also listed The Spirit of Ukraine

2003 was dedicated to American Soldiers as a whole. 

1988 was for the Earth as a whole to highlight environmental concern.

 

Realisticly they could have found a way to address the Middle East without highlighting a particualr person or identity. 

[LOTF]

2 hours ago, Cruel Summer said:

Not to be too delulu, but I personally think this tips the scales and puts her 2023 in the position of maybe being the biggest peak for any artist ever. It’s hard to overstate how huge this is, given that it’s literally never happened before.

It truly is the biggest peak ever by a musician, that's for sure

[poki]

18 minutes ago, Subversive said:

I hope the conversation agaisn't her getting chosen isn't why another musical artist didn't get it but rather why something related to Palestine got passed over 

 

I was actually thinking about this. Times PotY has always been politicial so to shift gears now will definitely be weaponized online. 

[Lille]

The most undeniably massive peak by a female musician in history.

[Relampago.]

2 hours ago, Cruel Summer said:

Not to be too delulu, but I personally think this tips the scales and puts her 2023 in the position of maybe being the biggest peak for any artist ever. It’s hard to overstate how huge this is, given that it’s literally never happened before.

I was actually going to say this. I think it’s still very up for debate whether or not she’s the biggest artist of all time overall, but I don’t think a musical artist has ever seen a peak THIS big. 

 

MJ, Madonna, The Beatles and Elvis sure have the longevity but I don’t think even they peaked this high. There’s many reasons for this and many factors, but nonetheless Taylor is reaching a level of stardom we’ve never seen at a singular moment in time. It’s so exciting to see this happen to one of my favorite artists, in my lifetime, during the prime of my own life.  

[Subversive]

17 minutes ago, Monster Queen said:

Which artist that officially talked about Palestine should be picked as POTY? I mean, Selena Gomez？

Or which person related to these two countries should be picked? Hamas? Or the leader of Israel that I couldn't even recall his name? They're not Putin or Zelenskyy 

I mean since Person of the Year doesn't actually have to be a single person--1975's "American Women" or 2006's "You" for example--they could easily vote on something wortwhile. Given the rules of "the individual or group of individuals who have had the bigger influence on the year's events" I'll give it to them that it's been less time since October for something related to Palestine to be chosen. Still wortwhile to discuss, though!

[Redstreak]

50 minutes ago, rihannasbe$tfrnd said:

She looks more horsey than usual 

Well she’s got to have a strong back to carry around all this LEGACY

[Relampago.]

33 minutes ago, Subversive said:

I hope the conversation agaisn't her getting chosen isn't why another musical artist didn't get it but rather why something related to Palestine got passed over 

 

I think this is a fair point, and it’s absolutely one that should be discussed simply for the fact that there is a clear bias against Palestine in the West due to propaganda in favor of Israel. 
 

I also think that it’s worth noting that since it’s Person of the Year, and the Israel-Palestine conflict erupted in October, it doesn’t necessarily “feel” like an all encompassing event for 2023. I don’t doubt that Time is also biased against Palestine just like every other Western media corporation and that played a factor. But Taylor certainly was *all* of 2023, and despite the Israel-Palestine conflict existing for over half a century now, it wasn’t brought up to the forefront of everyone’s minds until October, while Ukraine’s conflict blew up in February of 2022.

 

Still, it’s an important discussion, not to take away from Taylor’s unprecedented accomplishment or to blame her for Western media biases, but to continue to raise awareness of how publications in the West continue to try to erase the genocide against Palestinians by not even shortlisting them for consideration. 

[State of Grace.]

44 minutes ago, Subversive said:

I hope the conversation agaisn't her getting chosen isn't why another musical artist didn't get it but rather why something related to Palestine got passed over 

 

I've read that the shortlist was already made before the recent aggressions started, but I don't think it would have made a difference anyway. Simply because Palestinians aren't blonde and blue-eyed, they're subhumans. If the last two months have confirmed anything, it's that they will never be viewed as equals by the West. So it's very delusional to expect Zionist-backed Western media to tell us about the struggles, resilience, and bravery of the Palestinian people. Let alone honor them with a POTY cover. Sure, it would have been great if the cover was dedicated to the cause or the incredibly brave journalists like Motaz, Bisan, Plestia, Hend, etc who are risking their lives to show the world what's happening there, but the blatant hypocrisy and the double standards of the West would never allow that.

 

We should be having that conversation though, but I think it's a bit stupid and counterproductive to direct the anger/disappointment towards Taylor herself here. I don't doubt that a lot of the criticism is genuine but I hope that we don't fall into the rabbit hole of stanwars and weaponizing a genocide for quick woke points.

 

Taylor's had an incredibly huge year and one of the biggest ever witnessed for an artist. All of the "her peak is not big enough", "zero cultural impact", "only relevant to little girls", "it's disrespectful to compare her to MJ, Beatles, Madonna" etc takes and arguments have been shattered this year. It does feel right that she was named Person of the Year, but yeah..

Edited December 6, 2023 by State of Grace.

[fridayteenage]

5 hours ago, ugo said:

So the Numbers align with the "impact" she has 

 

 

But no wigs and remembered award show choreography!!!

[More Than A Melody]

5 hours ago, Arrows said:

I called this MONTHS ago omg

 

This is one of THE biggest achievements of her career

She won 3 AOTY Grammys, will have the biggest tour in history, and has a million other individual achievements. This is REALLY overplaying the importance of this magazine. I think she has at least 20 achievements bigger than this.

[Relampago.]

6 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

I've read that the shortlist was already made before the recent aggressions started, but I don't think it would have made a difference anyway. Simply because Palestinians aren't blonde and blue-eyed, they're subhumans. If the last two months have confirmed anything, it's that they will never be viewed as equals by the West. So it's very delusional to expect Zionist-backed Western media to tell us about the struggles, resilience, and bravery of the Palestinian people. Let alone honor them with a POTY cover. Sure, it would have been great if the cover was dedicated to the cause or the incredibly brave journalists like Motaz, Bisan, Plestia, Hend, etc who are risking their lives to show the world what's happening there, but the blatant hypocrisy and the double standards of the West would never allow that.

 

We should be having that conversation though, but I think it's a bit stupid and counterproductive to direct the anger/disappointment towards Taylor herself here. I don't doubt that a lot of the criticism is genuine but I hope that we don't fall into the rabbit hole of stanwars and weaponizing a genocide for quick woke points.

 

Taylor's had an incredibly huge year and one of the biggest ever witnessed for an artist. All of the "her peak is not big enough", "zero cultural impact", "only relevant to little girls", "it's disrespectful to compare her to MJ, Beatles, Madonna" etc takes and arguments have been shattered this year. It does feel right that she was named Person of the Year, but yeah..

Great post and the bolded is also a very important point. Anyone using the exclusion of Palestinian stories and their people as ammunition against Taylor for her accomplishment is disgusting. It’s a great point to mention the exclusion, but it’s beyond ignorant and stupid to use it as a stan war tool. 

[If U Seek Amy]

4 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

I think this is a fair point, and it’s absolutely one that should be discussed simply for the fact that there is a clear bias against Palestine in the West due to propaganda in favor of Israel. 
 

I also think that it’s worth noting that since it’s Person of the Year, and the Israel-Palestine conflict erupted in October, it doesn’t necessarily “feel” like an all encompassing event for 2023. I don’t doubt that Time is also biased against Palestine just like every other Western media corporation and that played a factor. But Taylor certainly was *all* of 2023, and despite the Israel-Palestine conflict existing for over half a century now, it wasn’t brought up to the forefront of everyone’s minds until October, while Ukraine’s conflict blew up in February of 2022.

 

Still, it’s an important discussion, not to take away from Taylor’s unprecedented accomplishment or to blame her for Western media biases, but to continue to raise awareness of how publications in the West continue to try to erase the genocide against Palestinians by not even shortlisting them for consideration. 

I think assuming that the West here is trying to "erase" genocide or ignore Palestine is honestly just kind of weird in relation to a magazine's choice. Time does not speak for all of the West lmaooooooo. As important of an issue it is some people online assume that anything and everything in 2023 should be about and has been about Israel/Palestine. It has become almost an obsession. It is as if something doesn't involve speaking about the conflict and instantly means they support genocide and have 0 remorse or care. It only exploded in popularity near the end of the year and even then, for much of the world has had little to no effect. Time and time again people show they often do not care unless things personally impact them. And Taylor has not been escapable for many even if they hate her. It doesn't make it right, but it is what it is. Sure, for some it is a huge deal, or their online involvement heavily involves it. But a person of the year is someone supposed to be representative of the world and cultural impact, not necessarily what event has been the worst that we need to spread activism about. Not everything is about or needs to be about activism. People need to look at it more objectively and not as subjectively. 

 

Whether or not you like Taylor Swift or how much she has impacted your life specifically DOES NOT MATTER. This is about the majority, not YOU. In 2023 let's be real, the biggest cultural impact (not actually serious impact effecting lives) has been Taylor Swift. Just about this whole year people all around a large portion of the world have been obsessed to an insane extent. The issues with her tour and the whole theater of it all. Going all the way to Congress and being a largely spoken about political discourse regarding the entire music industry/live music industry. World leaders and countries celebrating her visiting or touring there just for being there. So much more. You do not have to like her, but you cannot deny this is extremely abnormal cultural impact. That is literally why she won. Not because "the West" wants to erase genocide

[Frozen99]

this is truly a huge, well-deserved achievement, congrats!

 

 

the shoot is ugly tho, only the cat pic is ok.

[GreenEnvy]

8 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

She won 3 AOTY Grammys, will have the biggest tour in history, and has a million other individual achievements. This is REALLY overplaying the importance of this magazine. I think she has at least 20 achievements bigger than this.

POTY is a really unique reward though and exceeds the scope of the music industry. She is the first entertainer to get it.

[If U Seek Amy]

1 hour ago, Subversive said:

I hope the conversation agaisn't her getting chosen isn't why another musical artist didn't get it but rather why something related to Palestine got passed over 

 

I mean to be fair Ukraine the year it broke out was a big deal the whole year culturally. And many for at least some time even united in defiance against Russia. Russia, a superpower, with worldwide destructive nuclear capability and a genuine threat invading a nation is a much larger deal to most people vs Israel/Palestine. Also, how it impacted so many personally in many ways like via fuel/energy and agriculture that effected prices for food and gas. Americans are used to hearing people and nations and such fighting in the region/surrounding areas of Israel/Palestine. And Zelensky himself became an icon for many that even today many still look up to for his fight. Whether or not he is a good or strong person is up to you. But you can't deny that year it was a far more huge deal and not just people hating Palestine. Being an awful event is not the same as impact the level of person of the year worldwide. 

 

Trump won it despite being widely hated because in 2016 let's be real. He was a huge impact on culture and his victory even outside of the US. This isn't a morality contest but an impact one

[Feanor]

 

+ special edition covers…

 

 

 

She really is the pop girl with the most TIME covers.

[More Than A Melody]

2 minutes ago, GreenEnvy said:

POTY is a really unique reward though and exceeds the scope of the music industry. She is the first entertainer to get it.

It's really not that relevant. Most people aren't even aware of what it is. This isn't the 80s or the 90s anymore, how many people are even subscribed to Time magazine? Who's eagerly awaiting for this every year? Until I saw the announcement of who was in the running (two days ago, by Time magazine) I'd forgotten this was even a thing. It's not like stans argue about who will get this coveted award or that it's going to be talked about after... today.

 

Elon Musk got it in 2021. It's just... not that big of a deal.

[Relampago.]

4 minutes ago, If U Seek Amy said:

I think assuming that the West here is trying to "erase" genocide or ignore Palestine is honestly just kind of weird in relation to a magazine's choice. Time does not speak for all of the West lmaooooooo. As important of an issue it is some people online assume that anything and everything in 2023 should be about and has been about Israel/Palestine. It has become almost an obsession. It is as if something doesn't involve speaking about the conflict and instantly means they support genocide and have 0 remorse or care. It only exploded in popularity near the end of the year and even then, for much of the world has had little to no effect. Time and time again people show they often do not care unless things personally impact them. And Taylor has not been escapable for many even if they hate her. It doesn't make it right, but it is what it is. Sure, for some it is a huge deal, or their online involvement heavily involves it. But a person of the year is someone supposed to be representative of the world and cultural impact, not necessarily what event has been the worst that we need to spread activism about. Not everything is about or needs to be about activism. People need to look at it more objectively and not as subjectively. 

 

Whether or not you like Taylor Swift or how much she has impacted your life specifically DOES NOT MATTER. This is about the majority, not YOU. In 2023 let's be real, the biggest cultural impact (not actually serious impact effecting lives) has been Taylor Swift. Just about this whole year people all around a large portion of the world have been obsessed to an insane extent. The issues with her tour and the whole theater of it all. Going all the way to Congress and being a largely spoken about political discourse regarding the entire music industry/live music industry. World leaders and countries celebrating her visiting or touring there just for being there. So much more. You do not have to like her, but you cannot deny this is extremely abnormal cultural impact. That is literally why she won. Not because "the West" wants to erase genocide

…Did you read my post?  I spent my time in this thread praising Taylor and in my very same post you quoted, I said she still deserves it in spite of the Israel-Palestine conflict. We actually agree on every point you made except—

 

Western media has absolutely been skewed in favor of Israel, not Palestine, and has been erasing the atrocities that have occurred there not just this year, but in the past 75 years. That’s not up for debate, nor is this the thread for me to educate you on how Zionists have been working overtime to push media publications to favor Israel’s apartheid state and hide their genocidal actions.

 

Regardless, like I said, Taylor still deserves this award, but it’s also true that Time (just like every other Western publication) would gladly award Taylor with this, rather than continue to raise attention for the bravery of Palestinian journalists and people. Perhaps they may do it next year, but I doubt it.