news South Korea government pushing for dog meat consumption ban, farmers protest it

[Miss Show Business]

9 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

By this logic we’d never ban child labor or any other horrible practice. 

Wow, it's almost as if human children have a different life value than literal farm animals!

[GraceRandolph]

5 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

Wow, it's almost as if human children have a different life value than literal farm animals!

Of course, but the point I’m making is that any unethical industry has people that rely on it for income. Palm oil leads to deforestation and destruction of orangutan habitat, so should we continue the harvesting of palm oil in perpetuity because people rely on it for income? No progress is possible if we did that. 

[What_A_Mess]

1 hour ago, Miss Show Business said:

Let's bullet point this out so it's very clear.

 

• Pork has been raised and domesticated for slaughter as a food source for centuries. It's a commonly accepted cultural practice and food source.

 

• Dogs, cats, horses, and other similar domesticated animals, have not been traditionally raised as slaughter for a food source. They have been domesticated for companionship and in other cases act as farmhands and hunters (like many dog breeds.) It would not be socially or culturally seen as acceptable in western culture to consume these animals.

 

That's it. The end.

Whether you agree or not doesn't matter. Those are the facts and they aren't going to change because of extremist vegan agendas.

But dogs, cats, horses and god knows what else have been traditionally domesticated and eaten there and in other countries and cultures. Western views are not the only ones that matter despite what you think. Koreans should be the only ones to decide for themselves whether they want to stop it or not. I hope they do as I love dogs. Westerners criticising them for eating dogs (which they have traditionally done for thousands of years) would be like them criticising us for eating pork and beef. Stop being hypocrites.

Edited December 6, 2023 by What_A_Mess

[Miss Show Business]

5 minutes ago, What_A_Mess said:

But dogs, cats, horses and god knows what else has been traditionally domesticated and eaten there and other countries and cultures. Western views are not the only ones that matter despite what you think. Koreans should be the only ones to decide for themselves whether they want to stop it or not. I hope they do as I love dogs. Westerners criticising them for eating dogs (which they have traditionally done for thousands of years) would be like them criticising us for eating pork and beef. Stop being hypocrites.

Let me be clear that I understand there is a cultural difference. In my first reply, I argued whether or not this was an important enough cultural practice to justify not banning it.

 

I mostly agree with you, this is for Koreans to decide. We'll have to wait and see what happens.

[Breathe On Moi]

we got some people eating dog meat in this thread 

[Tropez]

43 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

Let's bullet point this out so it's very clear.

 

• Pork has been raised and domesticated for slaughter as a food source for centuries. It's a commonly accepted cultural practice and food source.

 

• Dogs, cats, horses, and other similar domesticated animals, have not been traditionally raised as slaughter for a food source. They have been domesticated for companionship and in other cases act as farmhands and hunters (like many dog breeds.) It would not be socially or culturally seen as acceptable in western culture to consume these animals.

 

That's it. The end.

Whether you agree or not doesn't matter. Those are the facts and they aren't going to change because of extremist vegan agendas.

This also isn’t true. As horse meat is eaten in many parts of Asia and Europe. So again, the distinction of what is acceptable because of companionship and what isn’t is a bad argument. 
 

Also, none of this is extremism. It’s just a simple question, and you’re giving answers that is arguably not sound. Again why it justified to eat a pig but not a dog? Despite the fact that dogs, horses and plenty of other animals are widely consumed. Even the ones you claim are raised to be companions to humans? 

[Miss Show Business]

9 minutes ago, Tropez said:

This also isn’t true. As horse meat is eaten in many parts of Asia and Europe. So again, the distinction of what is acceptable because of companionship and what isn’t is a bad argument. 
 

Also, none of this is extremism. It’s just a simple question, and you’re giving answers that is arguably not sound. Again why it justified to eat a pig but not a dog? Despite the fact that dogs, horses and plenty of other animals are widely consumed. Even the ones you claim are raised to be companions to humans? 

As I explained above, I understand there are different cultures. However, my first post debated whether or not this was as common or as seen as acceptable in Asia, since South Korea is considering banning the practice. It's my understanding that only a small percentage of the population of east Asia still practice this. I could be wrong, but that's just verbatim what I've heard.

 

Obviously, my argument in other posts above applies to western culture, but that's the culture I was brought up in. I cannot speak for other cultures, like another user I agreed with said, this is up for Koreans to decide whether they want to ban the practice or retain it.

[Taylena]

We should be pushing for better conditions and the most humane treatment possible of these animals because a total ban is not happening anytime soon. 

[Archetype]

1 hour ago, What_A_Mess said:

But dogs, cats, horses and god knows what else have been traditionally domesticated and eaten there and in other countries and cultures. Western views are not the only ones that matter despite what you think. Koreans should be the only ones to decide for themselves whether they want to stop it or not. I hope they do as I love dogs. Westerners criticising them for eating dogs (which they have traditionally done for thousands of years) would be like them criticising us for eating pork and beef. Stop being hypocrites.

This isn’t true because an overwhelming majority of Koreans have not and will never consume dog meat in their lifetime.  A majority of Koreans, throughout history, have not consumed dog meat.  Just because the industry was once much larger does not mean it was ever considered a culturally normal thing to do, hence why there is a movement within the country to ban the practice.  There is little to no cultural difference between the way Korea and western nations view dogs.
 

Second of all, your example about pork and beef is horrible because both meats are staples in Korean cuisine.  

[spree]

I guess it's the way a dog looks at you, with its sad eyes and wagging tail, that gets me the most.  You can't really tell those emotions from cows and pigs even tho they're there.  But for dogs it's front and center, and I can't even imagine it.

[terrorblade]

slay mr president

[Rep2000]

5 hours ago, What_A_Mess said:

As much as I am against it being an animal lover, we have to respect their culture. In my opinion only Koreans should have a say on this matter. It seems like they are turning a tide which is good. It’s kind of hypocritical for us in the west to condemn eating dogs when we slaughter and eat millions of other animals too.

Not to mention the fact that Korea developed this dog-eating culture due to the wars America/western colonizers started. Korea was so, so poor and under-developed that raising dogs as a meat source was a survival measure, not a "cultural different" thing. And this phenomenon was also recorded throughout Asia during colonization as well.
And now due to changes in society, we Asians are slowly phasing out this dog-meat consuming practices. Just give it a couple more generations before it's considered completely "out of fashion" to do it.

[Archetype]

1 hour ago, Rep2000 said:

Not to mention the fact that Korea developed this dog-eating culture due to the wars America/western colonizers started. Korea was so, so poor and under-developed that raising dogs as a meat source was a survival measure, not a "cultural different" thing. And this phenomenon was also recorded throughout Asia during colonization as well.
And now due to changes in society, we Asians are slowly phasing out this dog-meat consuming practices. Just give it a couple more generations before it's considered completely "out of fashion" to do it.

It's already considered inappropriate to eat dog meat in most Asian nations 

People keep saying it's a cultural difference when most Asians do not want to eat nor have they ever eaten dog meat.  Just because people earn a living off a small niche industry killing dogs does not mean that industry is worth saving in a country where the majority things that is unethical. 

[Rep2000]

3 hours ago, Archetype said:

It's already considered inappropriate to eat dog meat in most Asian nations 

People keep saying it's a cultural difference when most Asians do not want to eat nor have they ever eaten dog meat.  Just because people earn a living off a small niche industry killing dogs does not mean that industry is worth saving in a country where the majority things that is unethical. 

Exactly. It's very very niche at this point. So I don't know why westerns act like it's the norm in Asia. They just love to hyperfocus on that as an "Asian problematic" issue, when in fact that issue was worsen because of western colonization in the first place.

[Space Cowboy]

7 hours ago, Breathe On Moi said:

we got some people eating dog meat in this thread 

You’re saying that as insult. But morally speaking, there’s no difference between eating dog, pork or chicken.

[Gaia]

11 hours ago, What_A_Mess said:

As much as I am against it being an animal lover, we have to respect their culture. In my opinion only Koreans should have a say on this matter. It seems like they are turning a tide which is good. It’s kind of hypocritical for us in the west to condemn eating dogs when we slaughter and eat millions of other animals too.

Dogs are different. 
 

Being an “animal lover” has no correlation to eating meat. I wish morons would stop this false equivalence. 
 

Do you love nature? Oh so you don’t eat plants then?! You don’t live in a home that trees and nature had to be eradicated there to build? You don’t use any electricity that comes from any source of Fossil fuels?

 

Anyone who makes dumb statements like this must live in the forest where they get their energy only eating rotting plants that have already died while refraining from killing a single living thing

[Raspy]

thank god my country still allow and even support dog consumption

dogs have the UMAMI and umphh flavor other meat dont have yumm

[Darkgalord]

It's horrible. 

I've seen videos of them cooking dogs alive because they believe it makes the meat taste better. 

[fabilicious]

kinda want to try it now

[What_A_Mess]

8 hours ago, Gaia said:

Dogs are different. 
 

Being an “animal lover” has no correlation to eating meat. I wish morons would stop this false equivalence. 
 

Do you love nature? Oh so you don’t eat plants then?! You don’t live in a home that trees and nature had to be eradicated there to build? You don’t use any electricity that comes from any source of Fossil fuels?

 

Anyone who makes dumb statements like this must live in the forest where they get their energy only eating rotting plants that have already died while refraining from killing a single living thing

You sound dumb and stupid. Dogs ARE different and aren’t eaten in OUR culture here in the WEST. We keep them as companion animals and it’s taboo to eat them. I am against eating dogs as I love them, but I do eat other types of meat. It’s different in South Korea and other places you dumb moron. You forcing your own belief on another culture is wrong. A lot of idiots like you and other people in this thread don’t seem to understand that. Us forcing them to stop eating something which they have done for thousands of years is like a vegan or another culture forcing us in the west to stop eating meat. Its very hypocritical of us to criticise them for eating something that is in their minds another source of protein when we in the west also slaughter millions of animals.

 

Edited December 6, 2023 by What_A_Mess

[A.R.L]

18 hours ago, What_A_Mess said:

Western views are not the only ones that matter

It isn’t about Western views, any HUMAN would tell you that boiling a cat alive or beating a dog to death is NEVER an acceptable way to kill an animal.

 

People don't need to eat anything that moves to meet their needs. The idea itself is really disgusting, even animals have specific preferences and don't just jump on anything that moves.

 

I applaud SK for this and also the way they would provide those people with alternative business solutions

[Take Me Apart]

privileged western vegans saying struggling elderly farmers should give up one of their few sources of protein because MUUHHH VALUES 

 

go eat your soy, you haven't had your dose of estrogen for the day it's making your grumpy

[Joyride]

18 hours ago, Miss Show Business said:

Wow, it's almost as if human children have a different life value than literal farm animals!

Wow! it's almost as if we, as an intelligent species could not learn and value things over time!