celeb news "The Silence Is the Loudest Part of Renaissance: A Film" - Vulture

[oduplomarte]

these artists decide to incorporate political elements with an activist background and hype

especially if you're part of a historically oppressed group, you'll always be asked to be more vocal 

 

beyoncé only reaped what she sowed 

 

I still think that everyone has their own way of dealing with these issues, and hers is valid

but the majority of this audience is dissatisfied with the artist who uses these resources

 

[dirrtydiana]

21 hours ago, Lose My Breath said:

Why do we expect celebrities to take political stands? 

Because of MJ, Janet and Madonna.

 

the ones whom these current reigning artists modeled themeselves after.

[Sannie]

It is funny seeing the Hive in a tizzy like this over a singular article.  

 

You cannot position yourself as a liberator when you are silent on genocide.

You cannot position yourself as an ally when you are silent on genocide.

You cannot position yourself as a revolutionary when you are silent on genocide.

 

Yes, her silence on this singular topics upends the work she has done and the brand she has positioned for herself. A lot of celebrities are shooting themselves in the foot, including my fave, with their silence and cowardice. Their silence may not invalidate the valuable work they have done, but it will forever cause their future activism to ring hollow. When you have as much power as these women do and a voice larger than the rest of the world combined, sitting back in silence is not just unfair or unjust, it is sinister, it is deliberate, it is nasty.

 

 

  

21 hours ago, Lose My Breath said:

Why do we expect celebrities to take political stands?  This tour wasn't about that, at all, but I think it's apparent how she feels considering how she addresses her feelings and those she's celebrating.

 You cannot be this dense. We do not expect celebrities to take political stances UNLESS they themselves position their brands as political. For example, no one is asking Reba Mcintire what her thoughts are because her brand is not political. Reba did not show up at the Super Bowl HTS evoking Black Panther imagery. You cannot praise a popstar for being a political revolutionary and then when the pendulum swings back, be like, "well, why do we expect Beyonce to say something???"

 

This tour does not have to be about anything political, though many of you claim the album is about black queer liberation and history, which in and of itself is a political theme in the western world, but it is still political because of Beyonce's brand. Everything that occurs during a time of great sorrow and genocide is political. Choosing to show your film in Israel during their genocide is political.

 

 

Edited December 5, 2023 by Sannie

[GraceRandolph]

4 minutes ago, Sannie said:

It is funny seeing the Hive in a tizzy like this over a singular article.  

 

You cannot position yourself as a liberator when you are silent on genocide.

You cannot position yourself as an ally when you are silent on genocide.

You cannot position yourself as a revolutionary when you are silent on genocide.

 

Yes, her silence on this singular topics upends the work she has done and the brand she has positioned for herself. A lot of celebrities are shooting themselves in the foot, including my fave, with their silence and cowardice. Their silence may not invalidate the valuable work they have done, but it will forever cause their future activism to ring hollow. When you have as much power as these women do and a voice larger than the rest of the world combined, sitting back in silence is not just unfair or unjust, it is sinister, it is deliberate, it is nasty.

[swissman]

There is no silence in that film. She lets us read between the lines, she doesn't focus on tragedy and sadness but joy and optimism. One film cannot be all things. The review has decided for it what it should do and hasn't thought to engage with the motivations it actually presents, and presents very well.

 

The fact that the reviewer doesn't know what Beyoncé means when she says "after all we've been through in the world" is a good example of this forced ignorance so that she can turn up with a negative thing to say. If you can't figure it out by yourself, there's clues literally everywhere from lines about being "back outside" to "voting out 45" to "Black lights" to the entirety of the pride flag rap verse, not to mention countless references and topics alluded to or discussed in the film itself relative to LGBTQ+ voices, lives, and joy. 

[Misguided Ghost]

As if Beyonce's music is not political. For the past decade the music is speaking for her, she doesn't need to verbalize that. She's also working behind the scenes. 

Listen to her albums to know where she stands. 

 

A cheap shot tbh. 

[vale9001]

16 minutes ago, Sannie said:

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This tour does not have to be about anything political, though many of you claim the album is about black queer liberation and history, which in and of itself is a political theme in the western world, but it is still political because of Beyonce's brand. Everything that occurs during a time of great sorrow and genocide is political. Choosing to show your film in Israel during their genocide is political.

 

 

the movie concert was recorded months ago and no if the project is about liberation from an american artist talking about her experience as black woman in america ant to say free Palestine or Free Tibet (i know you all don't care about honk kong, syria or Tibet or Egypth cause China is a russian ally so there isn't any viral anti west propaganda to push) during the movie it's not an obligation and it's not connected with the project. Beyoncè silence about the all thing is somethin apart the movie. Judging the project for this, especially cause it was recorded before the recent war, makes no logical sense. But i mean it's Vulture . If this person would have been a real movie critic wouldn't work for them. 

 

 

Edited December 5, 2023 by vale9001

[qurl]

writers have the own self inflated sense of importance or influence , and in this particular instance it seems like it’s a vehicle for this writer to get notoriety by being the (pretty much singular) dissenting opinion when almost all of the other reception has been overwhelming positive

 

there always has to be one contrarian, and sure maybe she’s black herself but she works for a publication that is owned and bankrolled by old rich white men … there’s always an angle at the end of the day

 

if the movie and message is not for you, fine! but questioning beyoncé’s integrity bc she doesn’t wrap things in the near tidy little bows that YOU are expecting is not her problem, it’s your problem

[BnPac]

53 minutes ago, Sannie said:

You cannot position yourself as a liberator when you are silent on genocide.

You cannot position yourself as an ally when you are silent on genocide.

You cannot position yourself as a revolutionary when you are silent on genocide.

Since when does one have to be vocal about all issues? Are you taking away the ally title from other artists because they weren't vocal about the genocide in Rwanda or the apartheid in South Africa?

 

Beyoncé since the beginning of her career has talked about feminism and women empowerment, she has also included gays in her art and celebrated them, she has also celebrated black heritage. Does the fact that she didn't speak about Irak or other political issues erase that? Are the people who didn't speak about Libya, Irak, Rwanda etc not ally and do not defend causes? 

 

It seems to me people always just look for something to talk about when it comes to this woman. It's quite funny imo. 

 

Edited December 5, 2023 by BnPac

[BnPac]

4 hours ago, Braz said:

"Her words reflect broadly liberal pablum meant to give the appearance of care and mean just enough that her fans can project radicalness upon her but not so much that she would ruffle anyone enough for her to lose money or be forced to stand for something"

 

Come on this is Beyoncé to a t...

Yes, which explains why someone redneck working on the Formation plotted to kill her by making something malfunction and fall on her and gladly post about it. 

 

This explains why there were manifestations against Beyoncé and "Boycott Beyoncé" rallies in the US. 

 

This explains why Lemonade is her less successful era. 

 

This explains why The Gift was a flop. 

 

This explains also why in 2006 there were articles and call for boycott Beyoncé in the black community for trying to turn the kids gay. 

 

You people say anything. 

[Braz]

27 minutes ago, BnPac said:

Yes, which explains why someone redneck working on the Formation plotted to kill her by making something malfunction and fall on her and gladly post about it. 

 

This explains why there were manifestations against Beyoncé and "Boycott Beyoncé" rallies in the US. 

 

This explains why Lemonade is her less successful era. 

 

This explains why The Gift was a flop. 

 

This explains also why in 2006 there were articles and call for boycott Beyoncé in the black community for trying to turn the kids gay. 

 

You people say anything. 

"that her fans can project radicalness upon her"

 

See how she has a point?

[Abracadabra]

Attacking her for not going into detail about her late uncle's death from AIDS is very weird wtf 

[Fleahive]

This is the tweet. End thread

 

 

[rihannafan]

I don't necessarily agree with the article but the part where it says fans project what they want into the platitudes is correct since Israeli fans projected their desire to kill Palestinians into Break My Soul, even though that song has nothing to do with that

[She-Rah]

These “jornalists” take themselves WAY too serious! It’s just a fun and light show. Just enjoy her music! Who cares she didn’t say her uncle died of AIDS… who is this lady to tell Beyoncé how to tell her uncle’s story! 
 

This is such a weird attack. 

[Redstreak]

23 hours ago, Lose My Breath said:

Why do we expect celebrities to take political stands?  This tour wasn't about that, at all, but I think it's apparent how she feels considering how she addresses her feelings and those she's celebrating.

I would say if you’re constantly quoting racial justice activists, dressing in black panther attire, and dedicate a whole album towards queer expression you can’t really back out and say you’re not trying to be political

[Khal]

Quote

Beyoncé has yet to make a statement about Palestine. But this silence is itself a statement. Perhaps she isn’t apolitical so much as an emblem of Black capitalism and wealth that seeks to maintain its stature. Renaissance: A Film demonstrates that Black joy isn’t inherently radical. In fact, without a sense of materiality, Black joy becomes directionless and easy to co-opt by the varied forces of power that are fueled by anti-Blackness.

No lies told here, though it’s not applicable to just Beyoncé

[Blade Runner]

1 hour ago, Sannie said:

It is funny seeing the Hive in a tizzy like this over a singular article.  

 

You cannot position yourself as a liberator when you are silent on genocide.

You cannot position yourself as an ally when you are silent on genocide.

You cannot position yourself as a revolutionary when you are silent on genocide.

 

Yes, her silence on this singular topics upends the work she has done and the brand she has positioned for herself. A lot of celebrities are shooting themselves in the foot, including my fave, with their silence and cowardice. Their silence may not invalidate the valuable work they have done, but it will forever cause their future activism to ring hollow. When you have as much power as these women do and a voice larger than the rest of the world combined, sitting back in silence is not just unfair or unjust, it is sinister, it is deliberate, it is nasty.

 

 

  

 You cannot be this dense. We do not expect celebrities to take political stances UNLESS they themselves position their brands as political. For example, no one is asking Reba Mcintire what her thoughts are because her brand is not political. Reba did not show up at the Super Bowl HTS evoking Black Panther imagery. You cannot praise a popstar for being a political revolutionary and then when the pendulum swings back, be like, "well, why do we expect Beyonce to say something???"

 

This tour does not have to be about anything political, though many of you claim the album is about black queer liberation and history, which in and of itself is a political theme in the western world, but it is still political because of Beyonce's brand. Everything that occurs during a time of great sorrow and genocide is political. Choosing to show your film in Israel during their genocide is political.

 

 

It's very telling how y'all ALWAYS ask this stuff to women but don't do the same thing to other political artists like Kendrick. It's always them. Check yourself. 

[Bussea]

I live for Beyoncé drags to a certain degree, but stuff like this is so annoying and reeks of virtue signaling. Celebrities are not obligated to speak on things if they don’t want to   

[Kristie Kuwa]

Im also angry Bey hasnt discovered the cure for cancer yet, but what can you do? Just enjoy the music and art

[Digitalism]

What does that have to do with the film tho?

I agree on some points but that person should have been reviewing the film not beyonce not being extremely political

[Slayn]

Apolitical?? Beyonce??? The woman dressed as a black panther at the Super Bowl???? THAT Beyonce??

 

Sorry the author needs to be fired. That's not what Renaissance was about.

[1989]

This article is simply the writer being mad for the sake of being mad. I’m not much of a Beyoncé fan, but this is her tour film. I haven’t seen it, but I know it’s about the album, the tour, and celebrating what both of those things are about (also, she doesn’t have to talk about her uncle’s death, and it’s weird people assume she should). People really need to let the idea go that these celebrities absolutely have to speak on political and social issues. They are entertainers, their job is to entertain (which is exactly what Beyoncé is doing with this film); anything else they do is on them and of their choosing, but we can’t get angry when they decide to not speak on an issue. 

[swissman]

26 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

I would say if you’re constantly quoting racial justice activists, dressing in black panther attire, and dedicate a whole album towards queer expression you can’t really back out and say you’re not trying to be political

So what you're saying is people who have never stood up, never been political, always played it safe, etc. get to continue that, but someone who apparently has been political in the past must forever and always be so?

[family.guy123]

2 hours ago, oduplomarte said:

these artists decide to incorporate political elements with an activist background and hype

especially if you're part of a historically oppressed group, you'll always be asked to be more vocal 

 

beyoncé only reaped what she sowed 

 

I still think that everyone has their own way of dealing with these issues, and hers is valid

but the majority of this audience is dissatisfied with the artist who uses these resources

 

And what exactly is Beyoncé, the person, reaping at the moment?