base talk Was the 'RENAISSANCE' era a big success after all?

[flashfox]

Yes it was a success and it was the best album she ever released

[Kanes]

Are "many" in the room with us now? Seriously who is claiming otherwise?

[45seconds]

1 hour ago, Papi Juancho said:

"Big", no. 

It is a moderate success. Aside from the cute one-week peaks, the album sales and streams are just "ok". The era missed the IFPI charts, Spotify YEC, the Billboard YEC, the AM YEC, something Lemonade, ST and even 4 did.

The era is amazing, but commercially it wasn't a BIG success. Anyone who says yes is just biased.

Cuff it is at 700m. The album is double platinum. The tour is almost 600m and the film is going to gross close to 100m. How is that moderate when anyone outside of Taylor swift won’t have those stats? 

[Bears01]

4 minutes ago, 45seconds said:

Cuff it is at 700m. The album is double platinum. The tour is almost 600m and the film is going to gross close to 100m. How is that moderate when anyone outside of Taylor swift won’t have those stats? 

To be fair, SZA just had an absolutely massive era as did other streaming giants like Bad Bunny etc. 

 

But Beyonce is nearly 30 years into her career. She was an established superstar even when Taylor was brand new to the scene. ATRL has just been praying on her downfall for a long time and then gets butt hurt when the “omg she’s OVER!” Narrative goes nowhere outside of this website 

Edited December 3, 2023 by Bears01

[Lose My Breath]

After all?  It has been a success the whole time

[BnPac]

26 minutes ago, Danes said:

Are "many" in the room with us now? Seriously who is claiming otherwise?

To be honest, they’re all over Atrl. 
Since the era starts, there was this conscious effort to make us accept the notion that everything was a flop. 
 

OT : I personally don’t think the era was a big success, the tour was. The album itself did moderately well. 

[bjorn]

Self Titled and Lemonade felt bigger somehow 

[Bears01]

Just now, bjorn said:

Self Titled and Lemonade felt bigger somehow 

Self titled was unquestionably bigger and nobody disputes that. 
 

Lemonade was a moment in time but has aged forgettably and doesn’t really have a song that sticks with the GP. Say what you will about Renaissance but Cuff It was a legit streaming hit that stuck with the GP while lemonade cannot claim the same. Cuff it still gets more daily streams than the entire lemonade album alone  

[Xtina23]

[byzantium]

The album itself is among the top 20 female albums released in the 20s.  
 

Is this a success? Yes.  It’s a solid performance that solidifies her legacy.  
 

However this is ATRL where albums like positions, Happier than Ever, Evermore, and Sour are all flops.  Given that all these albums were considerably more successful, then per ATRL’s standards, this era is a flop.  
 

The tour was also objectively successful, but anyone know follows tours knows that their success is not connected to their respective albums for legacy acts. 

[trainsskyscrapers]

2 hours ago, Papi Juancho said:

"Big", no. 

It is a moderate success. Aside from the cute one-week peaks, the album sales and streams are just "ok". The era missed the IFPI charts, Spotify YEC, the Billboard YEC, the AM YEC, something Lemonade, ST and even 4 did.

The era is amazing, but commercially it wasn't a BIG success. Anyone who says yes is just biased.

LOL.

 

I know a consistent album that appeared at #20/#21 on the Billboard 200 YEC in 2022, and reached *checks notes* #21/#22 on the Billboard 200 YEC in 2023 isn't being slandered like this.  Top 10 most streamed female artist of the year on AM / Spotify, and made the BB Hot 100 YEC both years of the album campaign.

 

I never thought I'd say this, but I miss pre-2014 ATRL when people researched and came with accurate drags that made you stop and say "you're wrong for that, but touche".

 

This is the new AI / plagiarism generation, ladies and gentlemen: why complete your research / due diligence when someone else will? 

 

Here's an F for lack of effort.

Edited December 3, 2023 by trainsskyscrapers

[Comedor]

No visuals no success.

 

I declare it a FLOP.

[GoatGly]

I believe this is her seventh solo album to debut at number one actually which is even more impressive

[Elusive Chanteuse]

5 hours ago, Itskorbitch said:

Honestly probably my favorite beyonce eras (I’m a recent non hater). The visuals, the tour, the sound, the story. All of it just top notch, beautifully done. 

Same. Not a huge fan but loved everything about this era.

[Relampago.]

Was this ever a question? Once Cuff It smashed that was kinda that  

[Sadie Saxton]

Yes and even at the success rate it has currently the movie will help extend it’s legs and then if she wants to release the visuals that’ll do something to extend it as well.  She stays winning, and she’s incredibly smart. She’s been relevant in the business for 25-30 years for a reason

[4Real]

6 hours ago, Devin said:

absolutely she did all that on an injured knee.

 

meanwhile some girls:

Both girls are winning while you're a flop and a loser

[Devin]

2 minutes ago, 4Real said:

Both girls are winning while you're a flop and a loser

flop is when u crawl out ur mommas püssy

[LosingHimWasBlue]

7 hours ago, Steve Johnson said:

Moderate success. The album is #136 on billboard 200 already, it will leave the charts after the movie hype is over. 

this. 

but beyhive would gaslight you and saying the era was mega successful. 

[dman4life]

Very much so. No visuals but yet she had a number 1 single, another top 10, very solid debut numbers for the album and a record breaking tour. I know we don't like to use cultural impact because it can't truly be measured but Renaissance definitely had that as well! 

 

Then on top of that all of this is being done 27 years into her career at 42 years old! Beyoncé really deserves some respect on her name around these parts 

[Njshawty]

7 consecutive #1 albums 

[Soda Pop Queen]

It was for a 40 year old pop vet who many of the kids here said would never see another solo #1 hit or even more than one top 10 from one album again. Also, the mass update of her domestic/international certifications shut a lot of the peanut gallery up for a while on that front so yes, she slayed but as usual, went easy on the girls lol. There really would have been no dawn for ATRL had she put those visuals out and racked up more top 10s. Also, the tour smashed but what's new with Bey on that front? Besides music, it's the only other thing she throws herself into 110%.

 

I hope Act ll will bring her at least another #1 hit. If so, she will have set another record. iykyk.

Edited December 4, 2023 by Soda Pop Queen

[Armani?]

12 hours ago, Steve Johnson said:

Moderate success. The album is #136 on billboard 200 already, it will leave the charts after the movie hype is over. 

 

4 hours ago, LosingHimWasBlue said:

this. 

but beyhive would gaslight you and saying the era was mega successful. 

Ignoring that it was #134 the week before and that it's already in 69th week? 

 

The album will be 3X Platinum in the US when it's all said & done. That's not "moderate" success. That's a solid hit album.

[Anti-Hero]

11 hours ago, Devin said:

absolutely she did all that on an injured knee.

 

meanwhile some girls:

STFU, that girl your dragging has 5 albums in the the top 10 and Ren is out of the top 100.

 

You can praise your fave without dragging other girls

[Sannie]

It was not a flop by any means, but like with all of her releases, its success was overstated because of her PR team. Her PR team makes people think she is on the same level as Taylor but, well, the numbers say otherwise.