base talk Renaissance WT Movie struggles badly overseas, opens with 5.5M (official)

[Vespertine]

3 hours ago, HappierJealousy said:

So basically 27m first week and 5m second week globally? I mean I’m surprised, how can this become a massive bomb?

I think Beyoncé is in a similar stage of her career as Madonna circa Sticky and Sweet. Certified legend with huge touring power, but doesn’t mean it will translate to the same amount of (new) album sales, movie tickets sales, etc. 

 

Unlike Madonna though, it’s safe to assume the quality of Bey’s music won’t precipitously decline over the next few albums, so her albums should still do fine with her large fanbase. 

[Pepo]

3 hours ago, HappierJealousy said:

So basically 27m first week and 5m second week globally? I mean I’m surprised, how can this become a massive bomb? Nobody expects her to do Taylor’s number but this is simply a waste of money My initial prediction is $100m globally, down to $60m after the debut number come out, and now it’s probably couldn’t even reach $40m

The roll-out is a mess, in fact the film has yet to be released in countries such as Italy, Spain, Hong Kong, Brazil, Taiwan, Japan, Thailand, Singapore, etc. 

 

Her team ****** up big time this time. They shot themselves in the foot by having international screenings so late… like twenty days apart the domestic release.

[Steve Johnson]

5 hours ago, Feanor said:

Are we talking about Beyoncé? If so I agree, compared to Taylor, Beyoncé has no star quality. After all, $30M is closer to zero than $250M is.

Brutal. 

[Alexz]

5 hours ago, Feanor said:

Are we talking about Beyoncé? If so I agree, compared to Taylor, Beyoncé has no star quality. After all, $30M is closer to zero than $250M is.

Oh my.

[Badgalbriel]

44 minutes ago, Pepo said:

The roll-out is a mess, in fact the film has yet to be released in countries such as Italy, Spain, Hong Kong, Brazil, Taiwan, Japan, Thailand, Singapore, etc. 

 

Her team ****** up big time this time. They shot themselves in the foot by having international screenings so late… like twenty days apart the domestic release.

Not really. It's the same release schedule as the era's film. It's just a bad month for a movie, tbh. 

[Alexz]

4 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

Not really. It's the same release schedule as the era's film. It's just a bad month for a movie, tbh. 

It's not like people in those countries will rush to watch a Beyoncé film and make its grossing rise from the ashes.

[chaklux]

I love beyonce but she really needs to stop her Goddess- like persona and do some proper promotion if she is still interested in commercial success. If she is not though, that’s fine. Her team has been a mess this Renaissance era. They keep trying to claim they are in control and know what they are doing but the roll outs suggest otherwise. 

[LiamVillain]

15 hours ago, LiamVillain said:

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[LosingHimWasBlue]

8 hours ago, Feanor said:

Are we talking about Beyoncé? If so I agree, compared to Taylor, Beyoncé has no star quality. After all, $30M is closer to zero than $250M is.

oh my God.

[Eternium]

Some of you all are really stupid and have no clue how film works. 
 

Moonlight (Best Picture Oscar Winner) - $65.2M

 

At its peak, an R-rated film about black LGBTQIAA+ people has only once hit $65M. No analyst would have ever expected Renaissance to hit a $100M gross and half of you are exposing how ignorant you are of the box office.

 

Renaissance is unrated, it’s only playing on select days, it was released on a terrible weekend (to honor LGBT people and pay homage to World AIDS Day) and it’s already the highest grossing concert film by a person of color - even with BTS putting out a new tour film this year.  If your faves can do better celebrating black queerness, then why aren’t they celebrating black queerness?

[Sannie]

I mean... if the bar is Taylor then everyone is a bomb. The bar should be the usual concert film and Beyonce exceeded those expectations.  Taylor is an anomaly in the industry so comparing anyone to her is insane.

 

I will say, though, I coincidentally was at the movies during the first day of Taylor's movie and then at the movies during the first day of Beyonce's, and let me just say this: Taylor's day was absolutely packed (and insufferable) while the theater was practically empty on Beyonce's day.  

[Kimi]

I mean it’s a concert, who expected a hit?

[Thor]

9 hours ago, Feanor said:

Are we talking about Beyoncé? If so I agree, compared to Taylor, Beyoncé has no star quality. After all, $30M is closer to zero than $250M is.

Ouch!

[Nick_317]

9 hours ago, Feanor said:

Are we talking about Beyoncé? If so I agree, compared to Taylor, Beyoncé has no star quality. After all, $30M is closer to zero than $250M is.

[Alexz]

31 minutes ago, Sannie said:

I mean... if the bar is Taylor then everyone is a bomb. The bar should be the usual concert film and Beyonce exceeded those expectations.  Taylor is an anomaly in the industry so comparing anyone to her is insane.

 

I will say, though, I coincidentally was at the movies during the first day of Taylor's movie and then at the movies during the first day of Beyonce's, and let me just say this: Taylor's day was absolutely packed (and insufferable) while the theater was practically empty on Beyonce's day.  

We know it's been empty.

[chiliam]

omg i hate that Renaissance movie flop that hard oversea so theres no chance it will be shown in my country (Vietnam)

I dont like Beyonce that much but Renaissance is that *****, she made a great dance record so i kinda want to see the film.

 

The boy and the heron surpriseingly snatch the #1 and Godzilla at #2, i just keep hearing about this movie and everyone love it so much, definitely will see it if it show in near theater .

[chiliam]

1 hour ago, Eternium said:

Some of you all are really stupid and have no clue how film works. 
 

Moonlight (Best Picture Oscar Winner) - $65.2M

 

At its peak, an R-rated film about black LGBTQIAA+ people has only once hit $65M. No analyst would have ever expected Renaissance to hit a $100M gross and half of you are exposing how ignorant you are of the box office.

 

Renaissance is unrated, it’s only playing on select days, it was released on a terrible weekend (to honor LGBT people and pay homage to World AIDS Day) and it’s already the highest grossing concert film by a person of color - even with BTS putting out a new tour film this year.  If your faves can do better celebrating black queerness, then why aren’t they celebrating black queerness?

girl what.

How can you compare Moonlight to Renaissance lol

Moonlight is much more heavier as a film and much harder to sit through and it still did amazingly 65M

While Renaissance  main selling point is a fun concert experience and rely on Beyonce star power. No one in the real world even know about the honor LGBT and World AIDS Day, its also not in the marketing campaign. So isnt it should reach Moonlight number 65M. Anyway i think 50M is already ok, but below that can consider a flop, Beyonce star power should be able to sell at least 2.5 millions tickets WW.

[perfillusion]

14 hours ago, Lovett said:

Here I was trying to make you feel better.  Must've missed when I tried to tag you into another conversation though. Maybe that happened in the same place you fabricated your first narrative and got clocked for.

I didn't say you tagged me. I said you quoted me first in this thread (Pg 21, with lame shade) so now the fact that you're saying I'm "obsessed with you" is laughable. Anyway, back on topic: AMC did not even report International grosses this weekend, numbers must be abysmal. I guess @Alexz made points all these years with the local accusations.

[period sis]

3 hours ago, chiliam said:

girl what.

How can you compare Moonlight to Renaissance lol

Moonlight is much more heavier as a film and much harder to sit through and it still did amazingly 65M

While Renaissance  main selling point is a fun concert experience and rely on Beyonce star power. No one in the real world even know about the honor LGBT and World AIDS Day, its also not in the marketing campaign. So isnt it should reach Moonlight number 65M. Anyway i think 50M is already ok, but below that can consider a flop, Beyonce star power should be able to sell at least 2.5 millions tickets WW.

They're not saying that being released on AIDS day was a marketing point, they're saying the opposite. This was something Bey and her team stated as to WHY the film was released on that day, which also was a dry and slow period for movies in general. But you're wrong about the Honoring LGBT point. The Renaissance album as an ERA was stated as an ode to Queer Black House music honoring her Uncle Johnny, so naturally the tour was attended by a mostly POC Queer audience, which then resulted in the film being mainly targeted towards an LGBT audience. 

[kellebrity98]

On 12/3/2023 at 7:23 PM, Musiclove4eva said:

Swifties are so ******* annoying they make me want to never listen to Taylor Swift again 

i’m a swiftie and they also make me want to never listen to Taylor and that’s when a fan base is toxic

[GraceRandolph]

15 hours ago, Eternium said:

Some of you all are really stupid and have no clue how film works. 
 

Moonlight (Best Picture Oscar Winner) - $65.2M

 

At its peak, an R-rated film about black LGBTQIAA+ people has only once hit $65M. No analyst would have ever expected Renaissance to hit a $100M gross and half of you are exposing how ignorant you are of the box office.

 

Renaissance is unrated, it’s only playing on select days, it was released on a terrible weekend (to honor LGBT people and pay homage to World AIDS Day) and it’s already the highest grossing concert film by a person of color - even with BTS putting out a new tour film this year.  If your faves can do better celebrating black queerness, then why aren’t they celebrating black queerness?

Renaissance’s target audience is larger than just the black gay audience though.  

[Eternium]

14 hours ago, chiliam said:

girl what.

How can you compare Moonlight to Renaissance lol

Moonlight is much more heavier as a film and much harder to sit through and it still did amazingly 65M

While Renaissance  main selling point is a fun concert experience and rely on Beyonce star power. No one in the real world even know about the honor LGBT and World AIDS Day, its also not in the marketing campaign. So isnt it should reach Moonlight number 65M. Anyway i think 50M is already ok, but below that can consider a flop, Beyonce star power should be able to sell at least 2.5 millions tickets WW.

 

34 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

Renaissance’s target audience is larger than just the black gay audience though.  

Do you guys not understand what a comp is? You basically compare films to other films based on rating, audience reception, genre, length, content and promotion. It’s what film analysts do and they’re able to get box office runs right about 97% of the time.
 

Renaissance is heavily marketed towards celebrating LGBTQIAA+ black ballroom culture and that is the promotion behind it. You wouldn’t expect a non-rated film to pull the same target audience as a PG-13 film because you’ve alienated families and children. You wouldn’t expect a black queer film to break $65M because it’s never been done before.

 

I understand you girls think that just because Beyoncé’s popular means that a concert about Beyonce should be popular, but that’s not what the box office measures. The box office measures marketability and, unfortunately, black queer culture isn’t mainstream marketable just yet. But kudos to Beyonce for trying to change that and bring it further and further into the limelight.

[GraceRandolph]

1 hour ago, Eternium said:

 

Do you guys not understand what a comp is? You basically compare films to other films based on rating, audience reception, genre, length, content and promotion. It’s what film analysts do and they’re able to get box office runs right about 97% of the time.
 

Renaissance is heavily marketed towards celebrating LGBTQIAA+ black ballroom culture and that is the promotion behind it. You wouldn’t expect a non-rated film to pull the same target audience as a PG-13 film because you’ve alienated families and children. You wouldn’t expect a black queer film to break $65M because it’s never been done before.

 

I understand you girls think that just because Beyoncé’s popular means that a concert about Beyonce should be popular, but that’s not what the box office measures. The box office measures marketability and, unfortunately, black queer culture isn’t mainstream marketable just yet. But kudos to Beyonce for trying to change that and bring it further and further into the limelight.

Literally no box office analyst worth their salt is comparing Renaissance to Moonlight.

[Pepo]

19 hours ago, Badgalbriel said:

Not really. It's the same release schedule as the era's film. It's just a bad month for a movie, tbh. 

Taylor was still going to gross more as she attracts a wider audience, hence the stronger first-week result. 

 

They aren't nearly comparable imo. No one can really match Taylor's power, but I agree that a better month would have resulted in better domestic sales for Beyoncé. 

[chiliam]

1 hour ago, Eternium said:

 

Do you guys not understand what a comp is? You basically compare films to other films based on rating, audience reception, genre, length, content and promotion. It’s what film analysts do and they’re able to get box office runs right about 97% of the time.
 

Renaissance is heavily marketed towards celebrating LGBTQIAA+ black ballroom culture and that is the promotion behind it. You wouldn’t expect a non-rated film to pull the same target audience as a PG-13 film because you’ve alienated families and children. You wouldn’t expect a black queer film to break $65M because it’s never been done before.

 

I understand you girls think that just because Beyoncé’s popular means that a concert about Beyonce should be popular, but that’s not what the box office measures. The box office measures marketability and, unfortunately, black queer culture isn’t mainstream marketable just yet. But kudos to Beyonce for trying to change that and bring it further and further into the limelight.

Im one of the people that track weekly box office and usually also read their weekly article.

And compare Renaissance to Moonlight is literally insane. Moonlight audiences are much more niche. 

Renaissance is a concert movie, it will be compare with other concert movies.

Or it can be compare to other films target at black audiences like those Typer Perry's movies.  Or at the very least the movie target at black queer and black female (just like the concert demographic). 

And if you insisted on comparison with Moonlight then thats movie gross 65m WW, then Renaissance should also gross at least 50m. Below 50m will be consider a flop.