base talk If there was no playlisting at all how would the hot 100 look?

[Anti-Hero]

6 minutes ago, Prodigal Self said:

They literally said both would be affected Swifties on this site are as bad as the rest of them cause

Only delulu OTH will believe that Taylor would nosedived. He used that word and now you want to gaslight Swifties 

[Anti-Hero]

7 minutes ago, Cloröx said:

People actually believe that Taylor will nosedive? 

 

OTH will spit lies just to feed their hatred with Taylor 

[Anti-Hero]

14 minutes ago, Taylena said:

 

Now do the ratio between Taylor's daily streams to playlist reach and compare them to Dua Lipa's numbers. 

Taylor received 95M streams yesterday from 594M playlist reach, which translates to a ratio of 6.25:1, or in other words, Taylor needs 6.25M in playlist reach to achieve 1M streams. Now let's do Dua Lipa - 535M playlist reach to 14M daily streams - a ratio of 38.2:1. What this means is that Dua needs 6x more playlist reach (38.2 vs 6.25) to receive the same streams as Taylor. This is not something that you want to drag Taylor for while mentioning Dua at the same time knowing that her ratio is a joke. 

 

With the same amount of playlisting, Taylor is reaching 100M streams per day, Dua not even 20M. I love Dua, but some Dula Peepers are delusional

[dussel_06]

Taylor will rise. She doesn’t need playlisting hence she double/triple/quadrouple twice over the streams of other artists with the same playlisting as her.

[Taylena]

35 minutes ago, Prodigal Self said:

They literally said both would be affected Swifties on this site are as bad as the rest of them cause

And i'm saying they wouldn't be affected equally, as demonstrated by the fact that Dua Lipa needs 6x as much playlist reach as Taylor for the same amount of streams. 

[Kiss It Better]

Rihanna will rise

 

exhibit A: she doesn't have her music on tiktok/ig music yet when her music goes viral her streams also increased, which means people actually went to look for her music on streaming platforms

[Steve Johnson]

Taylor will rise, her albums will occupy whole top 5. 

[BrandNewBrandon]

20 hours ago, Taylena said:

And i'm saying they wouldn't be affected equally, as demonstrated by the fact that Dua Lipa needs 6x as much playlist reach as Taylor for the same amount of streams. 

But who was talking about equally? No one mentioned that, it's mentioned that both would be affected. 

 

And it goes both ways. Give Dua or Taylor's playlist reach to Adele or Katy and they would increase in streams. This isn't about who increases/decreases the most but that playlisting is not organic consumption nor does it generate pure demand. 

Edited November 30, 2023 by BrandNewBrandon

[Bosque]

Not much would change at all. People are more than happy to press skip on songs that are playlisted, as has been demonstrated hundreds and thousands of times. More unknown artists would probably have a harder time getting their songs noticed. 

[BrandNewBrandon]

21 hours ago, Taylena said:

 

Now do the ratio between Taylor's daily streams to playlist reach and compare them to Dua Lipa's numbers. 

Taylor received 95M streams yesterday from 594M playlist reach, which translates to a ratio of 6.25:1, or in other words, Taylor needs 6.25M in playlist reach to achieve 1M streams. Now let's do Dua Lipa - 535M playlist reach to 14M daily streams - a ratio of 38.2:1. What this means is that Dua needs 6x more playlist reach (38.2 vs 6.25) to receive the same streams as Taylor. This is not something that you want to drag Taylor for while mentioning Dua at the same time knowing that her ratio is a joke. 

 

Their playlist reach number is the number of listeners from all playlists they're featured on combined. So your math and ratio of Dua and Taylor can't be compared because Taylor has more material and has several more songs on playlists while Dua will have one or two so 500+ million people will have streamed more Taylor songs generating more individual streams for each of her added songs than 500+ million people will from streaming Dua's added song since she has less. 

 

Now pick up that ratio and look at how Eminem succeeds with being 60th among playlist reach (Taylor and Dua being #1 and #2) but generating massive streams nonetheless 

Edited November 30, 2023 by BrandNewBrandon

[BrandNewBrandon]

3 minutes ago, Dephira said:

Not much would change at all. People are more than happy to press skip on songs that are playlisted, as has been demonstrated hundreds and thousands of times. More unknown artists would probably have a harder time getting their songs noticed. 

Honey, thousands of stores playing editorial playlists publicly aren't skipping. 

[Taylena]

55 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

Dua and Taylor can't be compared because Taylor has more material and has several more songs on playlists while Dua will have one or two so 500+ million people will have streamed more Taylor songs generating more individual streams for each of her added songs than 500+ million people will from streaming Dua's added song since she has less. 

So what you're saying is that Taylor's playlist reach is fundamentally overinflated since she could sometimes have as much as 5 or more songs in the same playlist?  Either way, and i'm still not sure how this playlist reach works exactly, seems pretty evident to me that Dua receiving that much playlist reach with just 1 or 2 songs charting is exactly why people think she can't succeed without massive playlist support. Taylor's playlist reach is very high, yes, but is somewhat expected considering how many albums/songs she's charting right now.

Edited November 30, 2023 by Taylena

[Taylena]

53 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

Now pick up that ratio and look at how Eminem succeeds with being 60th among playlist reach (Taylor and Dua being #1 and #2) but generating massive streams nonetheless 

Eminem: 243/22 = 11

Taylor's ratio is 6.

[BrandNewBrandon]

45 minutes ago, Taylena said:

So what you're saying is that Taylor's playlist reach is fundamentally overinflated since she could sometimes have as much as 5 or more songs in the same playlist?  Either way, and i'm still not sure how this playlist reach works exactly, seems pretty evident to me that Dua receiving that much playlist reach with just 1 or 2 songs charting is exactly why people think she can't succeed without massive playlist support. Taylor's playlist reach is very high, yes, but is somewhat expected considering how many albums/songs she's charting right now.

Yes. But playlists is still not organic success. There are artists that could help their streams a lot by being playlisted as much as those two. Spotify will never be pure demand. 

Edited November 30, 2023 by BrandNewBrandon

[Kill Me]

Look at AM stats where playlisting has little to no impact and you'll see who are the real organic artists.

And despite that deranged loser's obsession with Taylor trying it, Nope Taylor would still be #1 everywhere like she is now in every single relevant platform.

 

 

 

 

[Cloröx]

On 11/29/2023 at 11:51 AM, BrandNewBrandon said:

Well, that would hit the ones with the largest playlist reach the most: https://www.viberate.com/music-charts/100-artists-with-the-biggest-spotify-playlist-reach/

 

So Taylor Swift would nosedive, Dua would as well and so would The Weeknd and Ed Sheeran. It's funny Dua is the only one people mentioning when Taylor is above her with well over 50 million. 

 

What would happen? Songs with large amount of weeks on the Hot 100 would decrease their hold in the Top 10, Taylor would probably not chart as many albums since even one song from an album added to a gazillion playlists causes that album's units to increase etc. 

 

Artists would therefore have to promote their music regularly, perhaps rely on more discounts and remixes, TikTok. They would also have to work harder overall. 

 

[swissman]

While playlists certainly boost people's streams, I think it's a bit unfair to say that a stream for a song somehow shouldn't count just because it's on a playlist.

 

If listening to the playlist is a conscious effort made by a listener (ie. to my knowledge a playlist is not auto-played when opening Spotify), in doing so that still represents a willingness to consume any of the songs it contains.

 

If someone doesn't like a song (assuming they are near to whatever device it is that would be required to press "skip"), they can always move onto the next song without a stream being given, assuming it is within the first 30 seconds.

 

The only example where it is tricky is TTH where the assumption is that everything there is a hit but that is not always the case. If it were simply a genre playlist or other non-data themed ones, then that's even more something the listener chooses to hear and thereby accepts the editorial decisions of those making the playlist. For example, if someone says "I want to listen to Holiday music" and selects the Spotify playlist for that, whether labels have intervened in getting certain songs there or not, that user was still consuming all that music by their own request. If they wanted to hear a specific song or album, they'd have done that.

 

More than playlists, the feature where a song auto-plays after listening to a song (whether it's a related track or a similar artist or not) seems more like an inaccurate stream-count, as the choice of the listener is almost completely gone and only led by a choice they previously made, and sometimes even that doesn't inform the next selection (from what I hear, as I don't use Spotify).

 

 

Edited November 30, 2023 by swissman

[Polgg48]

likely tiktok chart where random songs everywhere or doechil 'what it is (block boy)' was number one billboard at some point.