Sailor Moon Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 Katy Perry's her fans really dominated back then, the amount of facebook groups/posts/youtube channels..
lonnie Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 10 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: Some fanbases love to switch between record sales, combined pure sales and units depending on their mode so it is hard to figure out which but i guess you were talking about pure album sales You're diverting and not really answering to the points I made. 8 minutes ago, GreenEnvy said: TD was released on a worse album sales environment than GGGB. While I do agree with this, it doesn't change that Loud sold about the same with TD pure with less time and a less vigorous and extensive album campaign. To claim that Rihanna's albums don't sell as much for her singles when Katy has the bigger singles to album sales ratio during their peaks is wild. Rihanna consistently sold more albums than Katy in their respective careers 1
teenager Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) Katy in the middle of TD era had the GP and the fanbase in her hands and that was obvious given every single doing crazy well and the video views being astronomical. Not to mention her transitioning into the PRISM era and Roar moved 500,000~ digital units in its first week. She had songs that were just promo singles (Walking on Air, Dark Horse) go to #1 on US iTunes, not to mention the Prismatic World Tour grossing 200 million. It's insane to think how popular she was and how hard she fell off given how universally loved she was Riri was always a GP darling and people will always go hard for her, she will never not be successful but she never had good peaks from the get-go. It was always a wait and see - although if she dropped something now it would probably be her biggest album/single because everyone is so hungry for her. The Navy I always felt were more casual, rather than a ride-or-die for her. Dua is kinda a Riri scenario for me, she will never have huge, huge peaks - despite FN being absolutely massive and pop excellence but she will always have the 'cool factor' and I feel she'll always be relevant. Edited November 28, 2023 by teenager 1
lonnie Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Marry The Gods said: I don't know. The fact that Rihanna still has impressive streams and is STILL out-streaming a lot of our faves with their recent LPs kinda indicates she has some form of a fanbase. The fact that Gen-Z are streaming her work is quite amazing since they were still kids when ANTi came out. I have no doubt Rihanna's next album will be a success. I agree with that absolutely. Consistently being able to outstream Katy despite Katy having more newer music during this period indicates a bigger fanbase overall. But I think what the OP and most posters are arguing here is online presence in terms of social media accounts and devoted fans that mass vote or organize to help their faves in a BTS fashion and Rih really never had that, which I don't think it a bad thing. A dedicated fanbase like that doesn't necessarily mean more success, a more laid-back and loyal fanbase that actively still consumes music even if they won't participate in fan-voted polls is more valuable to any artist and that's why Rihanna still has better prospects for her future than Katy in terms of commercial success if she ever comes back to music.
Dreamer2023 Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 Even Part of me, her flop single, debuted with impressive points, so I guess Katy had the gp and fans support. Dua has little support from her fanbase
rihannafan Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 2 hours ago, GreenEnvy said: The topic is about peaks not about whether Rihanna has a bigger fanbase than Katy now which is obviously the case. If Katy's fanbase was actually a fanbase they would not have abandoned her so quickly 1
Aethereal Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 Rihanna's success is more organic than fanbase driven so I voted for Katy.
DoubleRainbow! Posted November 28, 2023 Author Posted November 28, 2023 3 hours ago, Badgalbriel said: Katy had a much bigger fan base at some point. I've never met a Rihanna fan in real life, I've met people that said they liked her, but never people with her poster on the wall or some scheisse like this. Everyone likes Rihanna, they just don't go hard hard for her. this is true like I know EVERYONE loves rih, but I don't know a single person in real life who has her as her fave.
Dreamer2023 Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 50 minutes ago, rihannafan said: If Katy's fanbase was actually a fanbase they would not have abandoned her so quickly Fans move on from artists, you know that right?
rihannafan Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 10 minutes ago, Dreamer2023 said: Fans move on from artists, you know that right? Eh, if they moved on so quickly then clearly it wasn't much of a fanbase 1
DoubleRainbow! Posted November 28, 2023 Author Posted November 28, 2023 23 minutes ago, Dreamer2023 said: Fans move on from artists, you know that right? Yeap, for example Taylor’s fanbase is absorbing a chunk of Olivia, Billie and Ariana Grande’s fanbase 15 minutes ago, rihannafan said: Eh, if they moved on so quickly then clearly it wasn't much of a fanbase “fans” can be so fake / unloyal
rihannafan Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 1 minute ago, DoubleRainbow! said: Yeap, for example Taylor’s fanbase is absorbing a chunk of Olivia, Billie and Ariana Grande’s fanbase “fans” can be so fake / unloyal Sounds like the GP to me 1
BnPac Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 Katy for both. She had the highest album weeks in the US, had a film in theaters that did relatively well and as an average, her singles' sales at the time were incredibly high. She did lose more steam than the rest though but at her peak, she had a more solid fanbase.
lonnie Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, halcyonday said: miss @lonnie is losing it in here Why would I? If Katy did indeed have this big fanbase at some point, then much good it did her in the end seeing where her career is at now
k4rmabutterfly Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 It kinda depends on where you are from. Here in LatAm, Katy > Dua > Rih at their peaks. I think Katy had the biggest peak in the US and Australia too. However, Rihanna clearly had a bigger fanbase in Europe, especially the UK.
rihannafan Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, k4rmabutterfly said: It kinda depends on where you are from. Here in LatAm, Katy > Dua > Rih at their peaks. I think Katy had the biggest peak in the US and Australia too. However, Rihanna clearly had a bigger fanbase in Europe, especially the UK. Why are you lying? In 2015, both Rihanna and Katy did Rock in Rio and Rihanna's set was much bigger and more popular (also she closed the festival IIRC) https://www.bet.com/article/696p8v/rihanna-celebrates-record-breaking-show-in-rio Quote Rihanna rocked Rio De Janeiro to record-breaking numbers this past weekend. The “BBHMM” singer headlined the Roc in Rio festival in Brazil’s famous city, earning the music event its highest ratings ever. Edited November 28, 2023 by rihannafan 1
k4rmabutterfly Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, rihannafan said: Why are you lying? In 2015, both Ribanna and Katy did Rock in Rio and Rihanna's set was much bigger and more popular (altho she close the festival IIRC) https://www.bet.com/article/696p8v/rihanna-celebrates-record-breaking-show-in-rio Both shows were sold out anyways. And Katy also sold out 2 more shows in Sao Paulo and Curitiba in the same month, she also did a whole leg in LatAm the same year too (which Rih never did). Total album sales (pure) Mexico: Rih 270k x Katy 320k Argentina: Rih 20k x Katy 92k Brazil: Rih 525k x Katy 485k Mind you Katy only had 3 successful albums, while Rihanna has 7. So yeah… I’m not saying Katy is bigger than Rihanna in LatAm overall but her fanbase was definitely bigger.
rihannafan Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, k4rmabutterfly said: Both shows were sold out anyways. And Katy also sold out 2 more shows in Sao Paulo and Curitiba in the same month, she also did a whole leg in LatAm the same year too (which Rih never did). Total album sales (pure) Mexico: Rih 270k x Katy 320k Argentina: Rih 20k x Katy 92k Brazil: Rih 525k x Katy 485k Mind you Katy only had 3 successful albums, while Rihanna has 7. So yeah… I’m not saying Katy is bigger than Rihanna in LatAm overall but her fanbase was definitely bigger. Using chartmasters as Source and still failing to mention that Rihanna still sold more overall albums in LatAm according to Chartmasters. The reality is, if Katy had a fanbase, she wouldn't be such a flop now. Fanbases, by definition, are loyal, at least a little bit. That's why Rihanna's soundtrack LMU opened with more streams than most people's regular singles. And no, their Rock in Rio sets were nowhere near on the same level, Rihanna devoured. And thats a direct comparison. Edited November 28, 2023 by rihannafan
k4rmabutterfly Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, rihannafan said: Using chartmasters as Source and still failing to mention that Rihanna still sold more overall albums in LatAm according to Chartmasters. The reality is, if Katy had a fanbase, she wouldn't be such a flop now. Fanbases, by definition, are loyal, at least a little bit. That's why Rihanna's soundtrack LMU opened with more streams than most people's regular singles. And no, their Rock in Rio sets were nowhere near on the same level, Rihanna devoured. And thats a direct comparison. PRISM certifications in LatAm Mexico 270k Brazil 80k 350k Teenage Dream Argentina 40k Brazil 100k Mexico 60k 200k GGGB (Rih’s best performing album) Brazil 120k Mexico 50k 170k Yes, I know Rihanna’s career is bigger in LatAm but aren’t we talking about PEAKS? Katy had a bigger peak and a more dedicated fanbase, it’s very simple to understand.
rihannafan Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, k4rmabutterfly said: PRISM certifications in LatAm Mexico 270k Brazil 80k 350k Teenage Dream Argentina 40k Brazil 100k Mexico 60k 200k GGGB (Rih’s best performing album) Brazil 120k Mexico 50k 170k Yes, I know Rihanna’s career is bigger in LatAm but aren’t we talking about PEAKS? Katy had a bigger peak and a more dedicated fanbase, it’s very simple to understand. How much of that is GP and how much is fanbase? Your numbers don't really say much tbh considering it's three countries and Rihanna has a bigger peak in one of them. Not to mention that Rihanna had the bigger fanbase in the US, Middle east, Europe, Africa etc. The question in the OP is not really a debate unless you're delusional or hate Rihanna
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