UnusualBoy Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 Katy hence her bigger debut sales for the singles and Prism.
Garbaj Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, Phaunzie said: So are you implying that Riri had an era as prolific as Teenage Dream, that managed to score 5 consecutive #1 singles and had her image was plastered worldwide. Teenage Dream is a peak that only one other person has, Michael Jackson. While I love my Bajan sister, Riri's peaks are not as high as Teenage Dream. On the topic of album sales, single sales had more power during that era sweetheart. Yes. she def had era as prolific as Teenage Dream, now don't get me wrong the Teenage Dream era was LEGENDARY and POP PERFECTION, but be serious and realize that it was released during a time period where pop was close to being DEAD, so it's not surprising that she managed to score 5 #1 singles... but even during her hiatus Rihanna runs BULLETS around Katy and makes ALL of her work look AMATURE and REPETITIVE. chart peaks, def don't compare to longevity and impact :))
Garbaj Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, GreenEnvy said: Yes we saw it with Lift Me Up... yes, and I hate that we can NEVER unsee it.
lonnie Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: Biggest album debut Katy - 286k Rihanna - 238k Dua - 66k (so far) Biggest tour Katy - 204M Rihanna - 140M Dua - 101M Katy >> Rihanna >>> Dua So is Prism Katy's peak? And Katy's tour had about double the dates the other tours did. Rihanna played in bigger dates and stadiums than Katy during those tours. 21 minutes ago, Gaia said: The question was peak. And Rihanna's peak was certainly bigger than Katy's 20 minutes ago, Phaunzie said: So are you implying that Riri had an era as prolific as Teenage Dream, that managed to score 5 consecutive #1 singles and had her image was plastered worldwide. Teenage Dream is a peak that only one other person has, Michael Jackson. While I love my Bajan sister, Riri's peaks are not as high as Teenage Dream. On the topic of album sales, single sales had more power during that era sweetheart. Again, GGGB sold more than TD. To say that MJ is the only person with a peak as big as Katy's is delusional 7 minutes ago, GreenEnvy said: Yes we saw it with Lift Me Up... You mean the song that performed better than any Katy single in these past five years? Edited November 28, 2023 by lonnie 1
GreenEnvy Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 Just now, lonnie said: You mean the song that performed better than any Katy single in these past five years? The topic is about peaks not about whether Rihanna has a bigger fanbase than Katy now which is obviously the case.
charot Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 Biggest fanbase: Katy GP support: Rihanna TTH support: Dua 1
Havoc Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 21 minutes ago, Phaunzie said: So are you implying that Riri had an era as prolific as Teenage Dream, that managed to score 5 consecutive #1 singles and had her image was plastered worldwide. Teenage Dream is a peak that only one other person has, Michael Jackson. While I love my Bajan sister, Riri's peaks are not as high as Teenage Dream. On the topic of album sales, single sales had more power during that era sweetheart. OMG. Teenage Dream is sooo overrated on here. I lived through it and yes while her single success was very consistent and impressive, No one was really gushing over Katy Perry herself. She never had the star power of Bey/Gaga/Brit. Not even close. 2 1
lonnie Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, GreenEnvy said: The topic is about peaks not about whether Rihanna has a bigger fanbase than Katy now which is obviously the case. Then why bring up Lift Me Up (which again has done better than any Katy single these past years) Rihanna's peak (2007-2013) was bigger than Katy's (2010-2013). While Katy had massive singles success with TD she never really had the lasting power to sustain her career the same way Rihanna did, which a big fanbase helps to sustain. Rihanna during her peak certainly had bigger sales overall and more commercial success than Katy and it's not comparable at all. That's why her standards are so high and you can sit here and try to shade LMU's success while Katy has been releasing bomb after bomb singles these past few years and would be completely unheard of if it wasn't for TikTok latching onto Harleys in Hawaii. Edited November 28, 2023 by lonnie 1
4Real Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 Rihanna probably has a more loyal fanbase that stuck with her throughout the years but Katy's fanbase for the later part of TD era/Prism era >>>>
Popboi. Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) Teenage Dream was the most GP supported out of all eras by any of the 3. Rihanna had and has the biggest fan base, no question about it, and the most consistent GP support. Edited November 28, 2023 by Popboi.
WildHeart Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 30 minutes ago, lonnie said: So is Prism Katy's peak? Fanbase peak, yes 32 minutes ago, lonnie said: And Katy's tour had about double the dates the other tours did 1.5x dates 34 minutes ago, lonnie said: And Rihanna's peak was certainly bigger than Katy's I don't think GGGB is bigger than TD
Feanor Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 Katy had the biggest fanbase at her peak, as seen with her debut numbers & touring power. Rihanna had more GP support.
lonnie Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: Fanbase peak, yes A fanbase peak that's lower than your overall peak kind of seems redundant 6 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: 1.5x dates Round that off for me sweetie and tell me what you get. The Prismatic Tour went on for over fifteen months, Diamonds World Tour spanned 8 months. DWT had the higher average per date, had bigger venues over multiple continents. 10 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: I don't think GGGB is bigger than TD Well it certainly sold more. 2
WildHeart Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, lonnie said: Round that off for me sweetie and tell me what you get. 151/96 - 1.57x Is it closer to 1.5x or is it closer to 2x 20 minutes ago, lonnie said: Well it certainly sold more. It has 2M more pure album sales but TD has 16M more digital song sales and 1.5B more streams Edited November 28, 2023 by Artistofthedecade
Mr. Duff Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 Katy has a bigger fanbase in the US during Teenage Dream and Prism eras. And she also had great GP support. But Rihanna always had the GP even though her albums are not selling on par with her hit singles.
lonnie Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: 151/96 - 1.57x Is it closer to 1.5x or is it closer to 2x Diamonds World Tour gross is from 87 dates and not 96. So 151/87 - 1.74x which is closer to 2 than it is to 1. So claiming that it had nearly double the dates would, in fact, be accurate. 5 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: It has 2M more pure album sales but TD has 16M more dijital song sales and 1.5B more streams So, it sold more, just as I said? 3
lonnie Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mr. Duff said: But Rihanna always had the GP even though her albums are not selling on par with her hit singles. And Katy's were/are? Katy had the biggest singles era out of the women listed here and her albums overall sold less than Rihanna but Rih's still being held to such standards in this context is wild
WildHeart Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 1 minute ago, lonnie said: So, it sold more, just as I said? Some fanbases love to switch between record sales, combined pure sales and units depending on their mode so it is hard to figure out which but i guess you were talking about pure album sales
Aaron Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 People who weren’t around for it will say Rihanna, but the truth is, it was Katy. 2
GreenEnvy Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, lonnie said: And Katy's were/are? Katy had the biggest singles era out of the women listed here and her albums overall sold less than Rihanna but Rih's still being held to such standards in this context is wild TD was released on a worse album sales environment than GGGB.
katara Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 According to ATRL big debuts = big fanbase so it was Katy during TD and Prism
Marry The Gods Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 2 hours ago, lonnie said: But to answer the question, Rih doesn't really have a fanbase in the sense that Bey or Gaga or Taylor do. People who will die by their fave basically. In that regard I think Katy had such a fanbase at some point, especially during the Prism era post Teenage Dream's success. That the fanbase somehow gave her more success than Rih is an absolute lie. Rihanna overall had bigger commercial success despite not having such a blindly dedicated fanbase. I don't think Dua has it either. I don't know. The fact that Rihanna still has impressive streams and is STILL out-streaming a lot of our faves with their recent LPs kinda indicates she has some form of a fanbase. The fact that Gen-Z are streaming her work is quite amazing since they were still kids when ANTi came out. I have no doubt Rihanna's next album will be a success.
Dialamba Posted November 28, 2023 Posted November 28, 2023 It seems like some people can’t different between having a bigger fanbase and a bigger career peak.
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