celeb news US poll: Beyonce is the 2nd most popular and well-liked public figure

[C-Amber]

13 hours ago, swissman said:

Swapping "Black" and "white" does not result in a 1-to-1 scenario. Thinking so is not looking at the full scope of racism in America. You can pretend you don't know what history I'm "trying to show", though I'm sure you do. If not, I suggest you look into even a fraction of the ways racism against Black people has been part of American culture for hundreds of years.

 

Since white people have not systemically been subjugated either by law, by those in power, or by cultural practice, switching "Black" to "white" in a hypothetical situation cannot exemplify the same effect. Furthermore, alluding to a bias America has for white [blonde] women IS NOT racism. This is what the original poster did. It may have been worded rudely, but the core message was clear: in America the favouritism of white women over Black women makes it so that an individual being "more liked" in a poll than a Black peer isn't fully outside the influence of the racist society the poll was conducted in and thus is not surprising nor something to necessarily brag about at the expense of the #2. Similarly, if it were a conversation about how a woman was the #2 most succesful person in tech, boasting how a man was #1 in a way to reinforce his success over her could have the same reaction, since tech has been a male-dominated industry. It's much the same as the rhetorical "Wanna tell us who the #1 is?" commented here.

 

 

No, I am telling you that alluding to racism existing in a certain society is not an act of racism. If you can't point to the existence of racism without mentioning who the racism favours, without in turn being called racist, then how can you discuss it at all?
 

Do you think that America does not favour white people? Can you explain why the only women who have spent 1,000+ weeks charting on the Billboard 200 are white [blonde] women? This surely is not the sole indicator of racism, but it speaks to what the buying public likes in excess and consistency.

 

Even within the music industry, we can see this. As many blonde white women have won AOTY at the Grammys in the last decade as Black women have won in the entire Grammys' history. The last (and fourth) Black woman to win was in 1999, nearly 25 years ago. In just the last 15 years, white women have won 2x the amount of AOTY Grammys that Black women have in Grammys' history. Is this another coincidence? Have Black women simply not made worthy enough music, and only ever have four times? This stat mirrors so many others like it. It doesn't exist alone.

 

 

Now, to be clear, Taylor is not #1 for her skin colour alone, of course. If that were the case there would be more ahead of Beyoncé. She is there as much because she is an inoffensive popstar who makes clean, commercial music that relates to fans of many demographics: old and young, Black and white, etc.. I think the point that the commenter was making was that Beyoncé being #2 says a bit more in this case than Taylor being #1, given the difference in their brands, who they appeal to, what demographics they either exclude or anger, etc., especially when bringing up that Taylor was #1 was clearly a way to diminish the conversation about Beyoncé being #2, that as the OP stated, was conveniently left out of the former thread about Taylor being #1.

It's well documented that it's harder to find success, be liked, etc. as a Black woman in America than a white one. If you'd like to disprove this, go ahead, but until then this conversation is not an example of reverse racism.

 

 

 

Did you really wrote a thousand words trying to defend one racism against another? Trying to ignore one racism because the other had it worse? This must be a joke? Because you absolutely solving nothing but creating more racism against other races just because you want to defend one race. Racism is the same, you either disown it completely and hate it completely or you complicate in rising it, you can't pick and chose racism, you can't go and say nah racism against black is awful and disgusting but against white or Arab or Latin or any other race you dislike its okay to do it. Don't come here and do selective racism. 

[Mystic Boy]

6 hours ago, C-Amber said:

 

Did you really wrote a thousand words trying to defend one racism against another? Trying to ignore one racism because the other had it worse? This must be a joke? Because you absolutely solving nothing but creating more racism against other races just because you want to defend one race. Racism is the same, you either disown it completely and hate it completely or you complicate in rising it, you can't pick and chose racism, you can't go and say nah racism against black is awful and disgusting but against white or Arab or Latin or any other race you dislike its okay to do it. Don't come here and do selective racism. 

Nice try sneaking "white racism" (a fantasy created by bigots) to arabs and other racism forms

[C-Amber]

1 hour ago, Mystic Boy said:

Nice try sneaking "white racism" (a fantasy created by bigots) to arabs and other racism forms

I'm an Arab, idk what yall trying to prove. Trying to solve one racism to create another? It’s all the same, sick racism. You either deny it fully or you complicit in spreading it.

[Comedor]

She is a saint after all.

[Mystic Boy]

1 hour ago, C-Amber said:

I'm an Arab, idk what yall trying to prove. Trying to solve one racism to create another? It’s all the same, sick racism. You either deny it fully or you complicit in spreading it.

Racism against whites doesnt exist though.

[C-Amber]

23 minutes ago, Mystic Boy said:

Racism against whites doesnt exist though.

A thing a racist person will only say 👆🏼

[Mystic Boy]

12 minutes ago, C-Amber said:

A thing a racist person will only say 👆🏼

👍 ok

[swissman]

12 hours ago, C-Amber said:

 

Did you really wrote a thousand words trying to defend one racism against another? Trying to ignore one racism because the other had it worse? This must be a joke? Because you absolutely solving nothing but creating more racism against other races just because you want to defend one race. Racism is the same, you either disown it completely and hate it completely or you complicate in rising it, you can't pick and chose racism, you can't go and say nah racism against black is awful and disgusting but against white or Arab or Latin or any other race you dislike its okay to do it. Don't come here and do selective racism. 

Racism can be a complicated topic and may requite many words. In this case it's not so complicated:

Racism against Black people in America has existed for centuries and still does. Do you disagree? Acknowledging the trickle-down-effect of racism within any voting body, no matter how rudely it was worded, is not racist in itself, no matter how hard you say it is.

 

 

 

 

 

Here, a commenter who was in the previous Taylor thread where the OP purposefully omitted mention of Beyoncé, then came here to sassily insert and/or remind us that Taylor was over Beyoncé (as if this thread made any secret of Beyoncé being at a #2 spot) had their contribution to this thread receive an equally or even exceedingly sassy comment in response alluding to the fact that white women excelling in public "likability" polls in America is nothing short of expected in a society/industry that routinely does this time and time again. As mentioned, we've seen this play out on music charts, where white [blonde] women are the only women to chart 1000+ weeks on the Billboard 200. We've seen this at the Grammys where white women have won twice as many AOTY awards in the last 15 years as Black women have won in the entire Grammys history, and so on. You choose to ignore the talking points but rest on "reverse racism" is an actual thing that harms white people.

 

 

Edited November 26, 2023 by swissman

[swissman]

2 hours ago, C-Amber said:

A thing a racist person will only say 👆🏼

There's a difference between racism by definition and racism in practice.

 

To make the example more extreme, if we had a Black person in American in the year 1830 who said "I hate white people" vs. a white person in America in the year 1830 who said "I hate Black people", is this the same kind of racism? Why would a Black person in 1830 hate white people? Why would a white person in 1830 hate Black people? Do they both face the same dangers for this? Within a white culture, a white government and white people in positions of power that all uphold the racism, it's very different for each person in this example.

 

To make it simpler, imagine someone moving to a new high school. Being an outsider, everyone hates this person or at least shows unconscious discrimination. They are bullied, made to carry popular kids' books, forced to have the worst locker, and in the cafeteria they are forced to give other students the desserts from their lunch. When someone else is voted Prom King/Queen, are you surprised that it was not the new student? When there are parties, this new student is never invited. In fact, they're warned if they showed up they will be throw out, or perhaps beat up. In response, the new student does not invite their new classmates to their home or parties, talks about what favouritism the students have for each other and from the school, and even goes so far as to say "I hate everyone at this school." AND SO: is that student at fault to the same degree as the others? Does the hate go both ways and if it does, are both parties affected in the same way, even a little?

 

 

Edited November 26, 2023 by swissman

[Namie-Knowles]

"I'm Arab" That is not a race boo. It's a cultural and linguistic term. Depending on where Jungkook was born and how he was raised he'd be Arab for example but ethnically still Korean. 

[Click Clack]

On 11/22/2023 at 9:12 PM, trainsskyscrapers said:

A stunt queen who cannot read contracts.   

 

[C-Amber]

11 hours ago, Namie-Knowles said:

"I'm Arab" That is not a race boo. It's a cultural and linguistic term. Depending on where Jungkook was born and how he was raised he'd be Arab for example but ethnically still Korean. 

Yeah come here and call an Asian man with Asian feature an "Arab" and you'll be called crazy. By definition, Arab is an ethnic group, not a thing you can have by being simply born in the country.

 

On 11/26/2023 at 8:49 PM, swissman said:

There's a difference between racism by definition and racism in practice.

 

To make the example more extreme, if we had a Black person in American in the year 1830 who said "I hate white people" vs. a white person in America in the year 1830 who said "I hate Black people", is this the same kind of racism? Why would a Black person in 1830 hate white people? Why would a white person in 1830 hate Black people? Do they both face the same dangers for this? Within a white culture, a white government and white people in positions of power that all uphold the racism, it's very different for each person in this example.

 

To make it simpler, imagine someone moving to a new high school. Being an outsider, everyone hates this person or at least shows unconscious discrimination. They are bullied, made to carry popular kids' books, forced to have the worst locker, and in the cafeteria they are forced to give other students the desserts from their lunch. When someone else is voted Prom King/Queen, are you surprised that it was not the new student? When there are parties, this new student is never invited. In fact, they're warned if they showed up they will be throw out, or perhaps beat up. In response, the new student does not invite their new classmates to their home or parties, talks about what favouritism the students have for each other and from the school, and even goes so far as to say "I hate everyone at this school." AND SO: is that student at fault to the same degree as the others? Does the hate go both ways and if it does, are both parties affected in the same way, even a little?

 

 

 

Guess what? It ain't ******* 1830. It's 2023 where everyone is fully educated and Internet is easy accessible to educate yourself. Nowadays the racism is a choice made by individuals, no matter the race or ethnicity people have, any racism is racism and disgusting. You either deny it fully or you practice it. And by your thousands of words defending certin racism you clearly practice it against certain races, so the shoes fit. Stop the stupid victim mentality that's ruining current generations and deny the racism fully, or you simply part of the problem but love to act victim. 

[Namie-Knowles]

2 hours ago, C-Amber said:

Yeah come here and call an Asian man with Asian feature an "Arab" and you'll be called crazy. By definition, Arab is an ethnic group, not a thing you can have by being simply born in the country.

 

 

Guess what? It ain't ******* 1830. It's 2023 where everyone is fully educated and Internet is easy accessible to educate yourself. Nowadays the racism is a choice made by individuals, no matter the race or ethnicity people have, any racism is racism and disgusting. You either deny it fully or you practice it. And by your thousands of words defending certin racism you clearly practice it against certain races, so the shoes fit. Stop the stupid victim mentality that's ruining current generations and deny the racism fully, or you simply part of the problem but love to act victim. 

Not about to read all that babe. Just because many people are ignorant on a topic doesn't make something any less true? Like that would mean most mathematic, scientific, and linguistic truths are no longer true because the general public regularly get them wrong. 

[BletaRexher]

On 11/22/2023 at 8:58 PM, Kasix said:

Wanna tell us who the #1 is?  

A woman who is a blank canvas. Someone that every woman in middle America who never left their country hometown who has bleached white hair loves. They love her because she is nothing just like themselves. Just a completely flavorless life. She’s loved by these women who marry blue collar, racist, fat men who are abusive alcoholics. She’s loved by the flavorless gays who work in healthcare and are so insecure inside they project it to everyone else. Their lives are yearning for a love story yet they’re completely fake and empty so no one will take them. The aged twinks who clock out of their nursing homes in Madison, Wisconsin and go get railed by another flavorless white man. This is the God of white culture because there is no culture. 

[C-Amber]

2 hours ago, Namie-Knowles said:

Not about to read all that babe. Just because many people are ignorant on a topic doesn't make something any less true? Like that would mean most mathematic, scientific, and linguistic truths are no longer true because the general public regularly get them wrong. 

Sweetie I barely wrote for you anything, the rest are for other person or you can't understand mult quotes? If you ain't an Arab then you have no business categorising us.

 

Arab /ˈarəb/ noun: a member of a Semitic (ethnicity) people, originally from the Arabian peninsula and neighbouring territories, inhabiting much of the Middle East and North Africa.

[Namie-Knowles]

5 hours ago, C-Amber said:

Sweetie I barely wrote for you anything, the rest are for other person or you can't understand mult quotes? If you ain't an Arab then you have no business categorising us.

 

Arab /ˈarəb/ noun: a member of a Semitic (ethnicity) people, originally from the Arabian peninsula and neighbouring territories, inhabiting much of the Middle East and North Africa.

Babe I'm not reading that. Lmao like you can do this all you want. Latinos commonly don't consider Black people Latinos even though Latino isn't a race. When people think of Latino their first thought isnt someone who is Asian or Black. That doesn't suddenly make them not Latino. Just because someone is a part of a group doesn't mean they aren't ignorant either.  They can be corrected babe. Arab isn't a racial group, just Latino isn't, just like American isn't, just like Jewish isn't. 

Edited November 28, 2023 by Namie-Knowles

[swissman]

10 hours ago, C-Amber said:

Guess what? It ain't ******* 1830. It's 2023 where everyone is fully educated and Internet is easy accessible to educate yourself. Nowadays the racism is a choice made by individuals, no matter the race or ethnicity people have, any racism is racism and disgusting. You either deny it fully or you practice it. And by your thousands of words defending certin racism you clearly practice it against certain races, so the shoes fit. Stop the stupid victim mentality that's ruining current generations and deny the racism fully, or you simply part of the problem but love to act victim. 

So would you care to speak as to why no woman of colour, and not even one brunette has charted on the Billboard 200 for over 1000 weeks? It's 2023, after all.

 

[zasderfght]

On 11/28/2023 at 2:49 AM, C-Amber said:

Sweetie I barely wrote for you anything, the rest are for other person or you can't understand mult quotes? If you ain't an Arab then you have no business categorising us.

 

Arab /ˈarəb/ noun: a member of a Semitic (ethnicity) people, originally from the Arabian peninsula and neighbouring territories, inhabiting much of the Middle East and North Africa.

Don't pay any attention to Namie. Funny how she says "I'm not going to read all that," yet she'll continue to read all your comments & continue to stoke fires. Childish and messy, as ATRL Kween Namie would say. 

[swissman]

In fact, it's kind of racist itself to claim reverse racism here.

 

It both invalidates the actual struggle of those who face legitimate racism and attempts to weaponize "racism" as a concept not a practice in order to protect a person who in no way faces any consequence of racism or and is merely been acknowledged as someone who has privilege in a racist society.

[rac7d]

Everyone writting essays that no one wants to read lol