celeb news Katya (drag queen) tweets support for Palestine!

[Cameltoe Chariot]

4 minutes ago, Anthropocene said:

 The UK is literally one of the safest places in the world for gay people. Two rich and famous American drag queens having one bad experience in a city means absolutely nothing. 

 

Even mentioning Glasgow in the same vein as somewhere like Palestine where it is literally legal to kill gay people and where 95% of the population oppose homosexuality (according to Equaldex) is ridiculous and reeks of privilege.

Okay cool but is it very safe for trans people? Last time I checked the UK is the world capital for transphobia 

 

Katya may identify as a cis male who does drag for work/art, but to transphobes she could definitely be seen as a trans woman 

[Jimmy.]

18 minutes ago, Vespertine said:

Trixa and Katya have spoken before about being harassed in the UK while in drag, and having club promoters tell them they need to be escorted from the hotel to the gig just to be extra safe. I’m can’t remember if they’ve mentioned Glasgow specifically, but perhaps Katya has had an experience there. 

 

Her point is that, if a neighboring country started bombing hospitals anywhere in the UK, no one would justify it with “but there are homophobic people in the UK!!!” 

Sucks that she had a bad experience in the UK/Glasgow. I still find it an odd comparison but if its her thoughts and feelings then that’s that. 
 

Great she’s using her platform though

[50thStateofMind]

I see many continually missing the point of what she said

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8 minutes ago, Anthropocene said:

Unlikely considering they've probably all been killed by Hamas already. 

Yes, because the IDF is notorious for checking Grindr to look for gay patients before deciding to bomb a hospital

[BionicWooHoo]

20 minutes ago, Anthropocene said:

Unlikely considering they've probably all been killed by Hamas already. 

I’m sure they have greater priorities I.e. dealing with colonizers/a terrorist state committing war crimes and ethnic cleansing 

[Stardom]

1 hour ago, 50thStateofMind said:

will Trixie co-sign???

No. She won't speak on anything that might have a negative impact on her bank account 

[Bimbo]

Trixie could never

[50thStateofMind]

29 minutes ago, Stardom said:

No. She won't speak on anything that might have a negative impact on her bank account 

like Mother (ru), like daughter

[Communion]

1 hour ago, Anthropocene said:

Hardly. It's an illogical comparison 

The illogical comparisons start by suggesting a country under literal occupation and facing genocide must meet certain social progressive beliefs to deserve not being wiped out.

 

That's her point. The places she's listing are not random, they're places she's experienced homophobia in. She literally names the place she was born: Marlborough, Massachusetts. With the argument: "Well.. I have experienced homophobia in THESE places, would it be alright if I was fine with any of them being bombed and wiped out?"

 

And because it's *her* experiences with homophobia, who are you or anyone else to quantify it that it's not the same or less severe?

 

"Well, being arrested for being gay is objectively worse than being harassed on the streets" - but how many people pointing out homophobia in Gaza are people who actually experienced said homophobia there themselves? 99% of the people discussing homophobia in Palestine are not queer Palestinians.

 

Because why would queer Palestinians say it's fine for Israel to "mow the lawn" and bomb everyone just because a minority of people in Israel are pro-LGBT?

[Communion]

1 hour ago, Anthropocene said:

Unlikely considering they've probably all been killed by Hamas already. 

Your racism and propaganda doesn't work in 2023. No one reading anything you posts walks away thinking "oh wow those Hamas guys sound pretty bad..."

 

You only further expose the contradictions found in hasbara. The ridiculousness in the argument that somehow there's a level of progressiveness that Israel (where miscegenation literally remains illegal) can meet that then excuses and justifies its countless war crimes and human rights violations.

 

4,000 children don't deserve to be bombed out of existence because of whatever homophobia exists in Palestine, let alone when the people sending the bombs are a far-right theocratic regime where the most powerful and prominent political parties actively run anti-LGBTQ ads and anti-interfaith marriage ads. 

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2 hours ago, Anthinos said:

No and Palestine should have its own state, as a neighboring state of Israel. This is a bit OT but I do find it weird how many gay people support and defend a certain religion even though it's extremely homophobic. The homophobia in Europe and the USA is bad but definitely not as bad as the homophobia in those countries. She is using whataboutism. Yeah, Russia is very bad but the rest? We gays who live in the west, the USA etc. are very privileged. It's not perfect but it could be much worse. When it comes to this area, Israel is definitely the best place for homosexuals. I am tired of the homophobia coming from certain groups being downplayed. The LGBT+ community in the west is very naive. 

 

 

Why do you view human rights as transactional?

[Headlock]

2 hours ago, Anthropocene said:

The UK is a liberal European country, it's about as safe for trans people than any Western European country is. Certainly more so than any African or Middle Eastern country, and probably safer than the US given the extremist MAGA movement.

 

Calling it the world capital for transphobia just makes you look ill-informed. 

You don’t follow UK politics at all, do you  The UK is transphobic as hell 

[dumbsparce]

It's indeed extremely hard for me to root for an islamic nation. But since I'm an adult I can also see that my personal opinion on their religion/laws is irrelevant when it comes to whether they deserve their own land or not.

With that being said, I think that whataboutism is a weak argument to defend Palestine. Let's just stick to the history of the land to base our arguments on bc at the end of the day, LGBT issues are completely irrelevant to what has lead up to the current conflict. If you can't differentiate between the two it's better to stay neutral.

Edited November 23, 2023 by dumbsparce

[Elusive Chanteuse]

 brave inspiring

[ZIVERT]

Very true and brave of her to compare her struggles as a rich white gay liberal to the gays in Gaza

 

 

 

You just know she thinks she ate with that Dr Seuss ass “Glasgow, Moscow, Medford, Malden or Marlborough” rhyming and alliteration scheme

[Communion]

Just now, Anthropocene said:

Hamas is to blame for every ounce of destruction. 

 

For reference, the number of dead Palestinians on the bottom right has multiplied by six since the publishing of the above chart.

[Communion]

6 minutes ago, Anthropocene said:

Hamas fires rockets at Tel Aviv constantly

The Israel military has an internal policy to maximize child deaths in conflicts. 

 

They refer to this incentive and internal directive in these conflicts as "mowing the lawn".

 

Edited November 23, 2023 by Communion

[BionicWooHoo]

16 minutes ago, Anthropocene said:

Hamas is to blame for every ounce of destruction. They murdered and raped thousands of Israelis at a literal Peace Festival, they don't need any help in looking like the bad guys. The fact you would think about making excuses for them is disturbing, keep crying. 

Why does Hamas exist and what role did Netanyahu (real last name: Mileikowsky) play in their funding and creation?
 

Why did Hamas attack on Oct 7th? Was it unprovoked? If Hamas is to blame for every bit of destruction, why does the Israeli government continue to murder and antagonize people in the West Bank where there is no Hamas? 

 

Are you able to provide any credible non-Israeli government third party sources to verify these allegations of rape? After they had to walk back on those ludicrous claims of beheaded babies, they are not a reliable neutral source. 

[Communion]

1 minute ago, Anthropocene said:

Imagine using anyone who goes on the Candace Owens show as any form of valid source material 

Norman Finkelstein is literally one of the world's most applauded and recognized political scientists regarding the Holocaust, whose own father survived (yet lost his entire family in) Auschwitz and whose mother survived (yet lost her entire family in) Majdanek.

 

 

[Communion]

3 minutes ago, Anthropocene said:

And Candace Owens is a known bigot 

Which says something about how complicit the mainstream Western media is in the genocide of the Palestinians that someone as awful as Candace would be more open to hearing a pro-Palestinian voice she doesn't agree with speak to the realities of apartheid occuring than the likes of those on CNN, MSNBC, CBS, the BBC, and more. 

Edited November 23, 2023 by Communion

[Communion]

2 minutes ago, Anthropocene said:

Yeah, isn't it shocking that someone who associates with anti-semites would be against a Jewish state 

 

4 minutes ago, Communion said:

more open to hearing a pro-Palestinian voice she doesn't agree with

Sounds like you and Candace Owens largely share the same views in your hatred of the Palestinian people.

 

 

Edited November 23, 2023 by Communion

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38 minutes ago, Anthropocene said:

Hamas is to blame for every ounce of destruction. They murdered and raped thousands of Israelis at a literal Peace Festival, they don't need any help in looking like the bad guys. The fact you would think about making excuses for them is disturbing, keep crying. 

Yes, all of this violence began this year on October 7th 

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4 hours ago, 50thStateofMind said:

will Trixie co-sign???

maybe.

but fracking magnate RuPaul sure won't 

[Communion]

Just now, Anthropocene said:

you lack the nuance

 

39 minutes ago, Anthropocene said:

Hamas is to blame for every ounce of destruction

Cleebrating the deaths of 4,000 Palestinians children at the hands of an apartheid regime objectively makes you a white supremacist.

[Communion]

1 minute ago, Anthropocene said:

Where exactly is that celebrated? Nuance lacked once again.

Hasbara isn't going to save your cause, jsyk.