Blade Runner Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 17 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said: Great Britain-Spain,Italy and Portugal what happened. Why your children turned so bad. Britain, Spain and Italy (especially Italy) are equally seeing the rise of the extreme right. The whole world is over.
Jormungand Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 If Elon Musk is praising this guy, I already know he's bad news. And you have disgusting incel led pages on Twitter like End Wokeness praising this guy. Prayers for my Argentinian sisters. 5
MonsterTown Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, AvadaKedavra said: I think we should put value to argentinians thoughts above everyone. Theyre the ones livin in that country after all We are talkin from a TV view. We are not the ones livin the situations and crisis and problems we are seeing everything from an outsider perspective and with biases from different right and left wing media some people are hating bc the title says "trump" and that's it...they don't even know what's going on rn... - imagine buying a pc for work 142.000$ 6 months later 600.000$ today 840.000$ IN LESS THAN A YEAR and you still with the same salary - dying bc someone want to steal your phone/car/wallet on the street with no repercussions at all...i got robbed at my house by gun point, second time a dude with a knife, 1 time 2 people kicking my door, robbed at gunpoint on the street, 5 DAYS AGO 1 guy running ON MY CEILING TRYING to check my garden and steal something..... - 45% more poverty - politicians getting 1.600.000$ as salary and they keep growing for themselves while basic salary for people is 146.000 and you can't even pay food or rent - no accountability for corruption...bad public school, bad public hospital, bad public tansport...like literally broke stuff they don't even care... OH REALLY tell me why we did vote someone that is against this govemernet and actually what they proposes are basics that people needs... they broke us in every single way the only people who support them are the one who they keep as hostage thanks to "social plans" giving them some lil money and say "if you don't vote for me he(Javier Milei) is going to take this away" lies and more lies, iliterate and ignorant people and poor people who depends on it.... so that's on that. 4
Joyride Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 it's just sad that pretty much every presidential election in South America these past few years is just to vote for the lesser evil, we're doomed
JohnWayneHolland Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 Good luck to all the LGBT community over there, it's not looking good for them.
The Witch Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 31 minutes ago, Blade Runner said: Sis, please. That's an awful stereotype. People in here are desperate for a change and both candidates were the absolute PITS. We're doomed, basically. I'm so sad
She-Rah Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 People are SICK of the left in latam. the same will happen in Colombia. Peter has been a JOKE of a president. look in El Salvador were the left and right wing parties that ruled for 30 years were defeated by a millennial and will win reelection by 80% of the votes. People are sick of the same politicians and desperately want change and are willing to take a chance on a new guy rather than voting for traditional politicians. 1
AvadaKedavra Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 1 minute ago, DockDock said: some people are hating bc the title says "trump" and that's it...they don't even know what's going on rn... - imagine buying a pc for work 142.000$ 6 months later 600.000$ today 840.000$ IN LESS THAN A YEAR and you still with the same salary - dying bc someone want to steal your phone/car/wallet on the street with no repercussions at all...i got robbed at my house by gun point, second time a dude with a knife, 1 time 2 people kicking my door, robbed at gunpoint on the street, 5 DAYS AGO 1 guy running ON MY CEILING TRYING to check my garden and steal something..... - 45% more poverty - politicians getting 1.600.000$ as salary and they keep growing for themselves while basic salary for people is 146.000 and you can't even pay food or rent - no accountability for corruption...bad public school, bad public hospital, bad public tansport...like literally broke stuff they don't even care... OH REALLY tell me why we did vote someone that is against this govemernet and actually what they proposes are basics that people needs... they broke us in every single way the only people who support them are the one who they keep as hostage thanks to "social plans" giving them some lil money and say "if you don't vote for me he(Javier Milei) is going to take this away" lies and more lies, iliterate and ignorant people and poor people who depends on it.... so that's on that. Here in my country, our president has plans for that as a means of control and undermining democracy and im honestly worried and been considering leaving for the States or West Europe or Oceania in the future. I need someone from here to adopt me If I'm not mistaken, Hugo Chávez did something similar. They destroyed the country economy so that everyone became poor, providing scraps-sobras-minimal support-mercaditos to people and using that to control the country. I'm totally in favor of assistance and anticapitalism and people rights first, but I believe that if it's not done right, it can really destroy countries. It seems that countries like Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden, and Norway know how to handle welfare and social safety nets well, but in Argentina, there aren't the same intentions. The Kirchners are clearly corrupt and malevolent. At the same time, it's worrying that removing these subsidies in the midst of the bad Argentina's situation could create a lot of tension. I hope Milei, even though I have reservations about him cause he looks like chucky and evil, i hope he finds a way to help the country without removing the welfare. I just hope things get better for yll cariñitos Here in my country, we're not doing any better. We went from having a tremendous post-pandemic recovery with a growth rate of 12%, and an average inflation rate comparable to the rest of Latin America in mid-March, to a sudden halt in the economy, one of the most devalued currencies in the region, a 12% Consumer Price Index (CPI), and a highly likely recession in the coming year. Looks like the world is goin to ** too with all these wars and problems and the new state of things after covid Lemme dance before its all over for us 2 3
She-Rah Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Monster Megamind said: I don't know how powerful is the senate but the left has some power left there. 1 hour ago, Blade Runner said: Yes, Milei is basically alone. The rest of the parties control the rest of the government. Same thing happened to Bukele for the first 2 years. The left and right parties actually joined to vote against everything he proposed and that actually backfired on them because when the senate/assambly elections were held, Bukele’s brand new party won a super majority because people saw he couldn’t govern because the 2 main parties refused to work with him and only like 10 senators (called diputados in El Salvador) from the two traditional parties were left
She-Rah Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 40 minutes ago, Jormungand said: If Elon Musk is praising this guy, I already know he's bad news. And you have disgusting incel led pages on Twitter like End Wokeness praising this guy. Prayers for my Argentinian sisters. The Peronistas (left wing) are to blame. They truly f*cked the country over and nobody is surprised they were voted OUT. In my country (el Salvador) the ultra right and the left socialist party fought a brutal civil war that lasted 12 years during the 80’s, after a peace treaty in 1992, the ultra right party (ARENA) was in power for 20 years, then the left socialist party (FMLN) won for the first time and they governed for 10 years and once in power, they behaved just like the corrupt right wing governments they criticized and fought a bloody civil war. Then came Bukele and he basically won because the 2 main parties had ZERO credibility with the people, especially after being betrayed by the socialist party who claimed were fighting for the poor people. Now the 2 parties are pretty much extinct lol. I think this is a protest vote the argentine people are sick of Peronismo. Same thing will happen in the US when Trump wins again. And it’s their fault for not proposing real change or presenting a strong alternative to the same old politicians who people no linger trust.
Jormungand Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, She-Rah said: The Peronistas (left wing) are to blame. They truly f*cked the country over and nobody is surprised they were voted OUT. In my country (el Salvador) the ultra right and the left socialist party fought a brutal civil war that lasted 12 years during the 80’s, after a peace treaty in 1992, the ultra right party (ARENA) was in power for 20 years, then the left socialist party (FMLN) won for the first time and they governed for 10 years and once in power, they behaved just like the corrupt right wing governments they criticized and fought a bloody civil war. Then came Bukele and he basically won because the 2 main parties had ZERO credibility with the people, especially after being betrayed by the socialist party who claimed were fighting for the poor people. Now the 2 parties are pretty much extinct lol. I think this is a protest vote the argentine people are sick of Peronismo. Same thing will happen in the US when Trump wins again. And it’s their fault for not proposing real change or presenting a strong alternative to the same old politicians who people no linger trust. I can imagine what it's like being stuck between a rock and a hard place. The DNC is an absolute joke and is so out of touch. The DNC knows Biden's chances against Trump in a round 2 is not going go in their favor. They're so damn arrogant! Trump set a precedent when he won the presidency. DNC not being able to set their own precedent and prioritize a candidate that's not tied to Biden's administration will be why Trump can have a clear path to the White House. The younger generation desperately wants change, I want change, and our only chance is to vote for a senile fool over a madman because the madman wants to strip away the rights of LGBTQ+, women, and minorities. The only saving grace for some parts of the country is to vote for governors, state legislators, and local officials that have their constitutions best interest, but even then that's a slippery slope because the majority of politicians are self-serving. 1
AvadaKedavra Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 (edited) 50 minutes ago, She-Rah said: People are SICK of the left in latam. the same will happen in Colombia. Peter has been a JOKE of a president. look in El Salvador were the left and right wing parties that ruled for 30 years were defeated by a millennial and will win reelection by 80% of the votes. People are sick of the same politicians and desperately want change and are willing to take a chance on a new guy rather than voting for traditional politicians. Spill that tea. Sadly so many of those parties are not good for the LGBTI i totally get why so many Americans here on ATRL are so so supportive of the left and extreme left and they want the same for the whole world. Theyre just tired. The Capitalism in the United States is just too much. Is Evil. Is abusive. The overworking My brother is moving to Arkansas and honestly im terrified Is insane how the richest-wealthiest country in the planet treat their citizens like paper bags-cattle-nothing Have u seen the godzilla amounts they have to pay for education? basic healthcare? rent? in the States? they should be thriving with all the money they have. Their population is not even that big like China or India Is so sick. I dont get why Americans are not in this moment rioting in the streets. Their corporations are eating them up and the hyper-wealthy The democratic party and republican party also look the same. There's no real left party there. I dont like him but They really need someone like Bernie sanders. Alexandria Ocasio to shake up the whole system. But in Latinoamerica the situations are different. Of course the right has ****** **** so many things and are responsible for our countries bad state but Here so many left leaders are dangerous too. We also had insurrectionists left groups like the guerillas in my country So many dont have good intentions. They just want dictatorships and bloodshell. This is why so many latinos are moving to the far right and are havin a hard time trusting the left. After the Venezuelan situation with Maduro so many are concerned. I wonder if AMLO is the next one in line for a Downfall. Sadly the far right is not the answer with people like bolsonaro or duterte or Lepeen it brings more problems for everyone. We really need more moderate left-centrists. People with more brain and common sense like Shakira Here we go from pendulum to pendulum. Tal vez es porque no leemos libros In Europe things look so good. Im So jealous of them They have the best of capitalism and socialism in places like Germany-Sweden-Netherlands-Finland-Norway-Switzerland But looks like they dont know how to manage the inmigrations issues well and all those missunderstandings will lead to the Far Right there Thats what i been reading on reddit in the WorldNewsSub. Ok this is my final take in this thread. Sorry for the ignorance and if my takes are dumb. So many ATRLERS are such a conoisseurs in sociology-geopolitics and i feel insecure with their vast knowledge. Just giving my thoughts as a Latino livin in Southamerica land of Mew Dios bendiga a el Pais de la Furia. Que no caiga al fuego. Que renazca. Manifestando. Si milei sale malo que no los dañe. Edited November 20, 2023 by AvadaKedavra 1
Monster Megamind Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 2 hours ago, She-Rah said: Same thing happened to Bukele for the first 2 years. The left and right parties actually joined to vote against everything he proposed and that actually backfired on them because when the senate/assambly elections were held, Bukele’s brand new party won a super majority because people saw he couldn’t govern because the 2 main parties refused to work with him and only like 10 senators (called diputados in El Salvador) from the two traditional parties were left I agree that Bukele definitely reduced the crime but what has he done economically? He in fact has taken more IMF debt to buy bitcoin which crashed. Then he took debt from China, which he will never pay back and will then start selling state assets to China. Tell me I'm wrong.
anti-bitch Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 3 hours ago, DockDock said: some people are hating bc the title says "trump" and that's it...they don't even know what's going on rn... - imagine buying a pc for work 142.000$ 6 months later 600.000$ today 840.000$ IN LESS THAN A YEAR and you still with the same salary - dying bc someone want to steal your phone/car/wallet on the street with no repercussions at all...i got robbed at my house by gun point, second time a dude with a knife, 1 time 2 people kicking my door, robbed at gunpoint on the street, 5 DAYS AGO 1 guy running ON MY CEILING TRYING to check my garden and steal something..... - 45% more poverty - politicians getting 1.600.000$ as salary and they keep growing for themselves while basic salary for people is 146.000 and you can't even pay food or rent - no accountability for corruption...bad public school, bad public hospital, bad public tansport...like literally broke stuff they don't even care... OH REALLY tell me why we did vote someone that is against this govemernet and actually what they proposes are basics that people needs... they broke us in every single way the only people who support them are the one who they keep as hostage thanks to "social plans" giving them some lil money and say "if you don't vote for me he(Javier Milei) is going to take this away" lies and more lies, iliterate and ignorant people and poor people who depends on it.... so that's on that. I'm sorry for your experiences. I was wondering how's the crime situation in Argentina. I just think there should be a way to make economical reform happen without the culture war aspect of it, coming from the right wing, where women and minorities get targeted and attacked. 1
She-Rah Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 9 minutes ago, Monster Megamind said: I agree that Bukele definitely reduced the crime but what has he done economically? He in fact has taken more IMF debt to buy bitcoin which crashed. Then he took debt from China, which he will never pay back and will then start selling state assets to China. Tell me I'm wrong. I agree I have my reservations about him, however if you look at his opposition (and the candidates running against him in February) they’re a joke. Nobody takes them seriously. His opposition failed to come up with a candidate that could go head to head against him: young, polished, well-spoken etc. Instead, they nominated these old men that he will clearly dog walk and easily beat in the election. The opposition should’ve also focused in taking back the assembly so they could check his power from there. Instead they spent the entire last 4 years calling him dictator and crying to the international community and that has had little to no effect with the population. He’s more popular than ever now (I think the Gallup poll that came out this weekend says 93% of the population supports his reelection) and once his second term is over I’m pretty sure his brother Karim will take over because his opposition is a joke and people don’t trust the left or the right. His opposition will have to be someone fresh and not linked to the left or right wing parties. People do not trust them and would rather take a chance on someone else. He will win reelection there’s no way with those high approval numbers he will lose. So the opposition needs to focus on taking back the assembly in the next elections his party is expected to win over 50 assembly seats out of 60 in February
lillavend3r Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 (edited) The non argentinos talking about Peronistas ruining the country... y'all should refrain from speaking about something y'all know NOTHING about. Kirchnerismo and Peronismo are NOT the same. Perón did so much for the working class rights back in his terms as president and Kirchner helped society get back up on their feet after the 01 crisis. CFK was the beginning of the end but still things weren't as bad when she left the power, Macri and the IMF deal is what truly doomed us and our economy. It's downhill from there, including Alberto Fernández mandate Edited November 20, 2023 by lillavend3r 3 3
Drowned8World Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 5 hours ago, Jormungand said: If Elon Musk is praising this guy, I already know he's bad news. And you have disgusting incel led pages on Twitter like End Wokeness praising this guy. Prayers for my Argentinian sisters. not really. The bad news was the other guy. Thank god he lost and by a LANDSIDE
Drowned8World Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 1 hour ago, lillavend3r said: The non argentinos talking about Peronistas ruining the country... y'all should refrain from speaking about something y'all know NOTHING about. Kirchnerismo and Peronismo are NOT the same. Perón did so much for the working class rights back in his terms as president and Kirchner helped society get back up on their feet after the 01 crisis. CFK was the beginning of the end but still things weren't as bad when she left the power, Macri and the IMF deal is what truly doomed us and our economy. It's downhill from there, including Alberto Fernández mandate Todo lo que decis es falso. Los problemas económicos actuales tuvieron su origen a finales del mandato de Nestor Kirchner, se profundizaron durante el de CFK y de ahí en adelante ninguno pudo revertiros. Algunos, como la pobreza e inflación, lo hicieron parcialmente durante el 2017 pero retrocedieron nuevamente con la crisis cambiaria del 2018. El incremento del gasto publico y presión tributaria, la inflación de 2 dígitos y el estancamiento económico arrancaron con él. ¿por qué crees que intervinieron el INDEC durante su mandato si estaba todo tan bárbaro? Cristina Fernandez abandonó el poder en el 2015 con un déficit fiscal de 7 ptos del PBI (el segundo más alto de la historia hasta ese momento. Ella lo recibió con un superávit del 2%), el primer déficit comercial desde el 2002, el sistema cambiario intervenido (no ocurría desde los 80s), con un 30% de la población bajo la linea de pobreza (10 ptos más que en el 2007), una inflación acumulada del 900% (en el resto de LATAM solo fue del 140%), la economía estancada desde el 2011 (el único pais, junto a Venezuela y Brasil, que no creció esos 4 años), reservas del Banco Central negativas (en toda LATAM subieron) y la economía en default. Ni siquiera hago mención al déficit energético, de infraestructura y los millonarios juicios y embargos por deudas impagas y expropiaciones mal hechas que hasta el día de hoy siguen explotando. La más reciente fue de YPF. TODO eso ocurrió cuando los commodities estaban en precios récord históricos y las tasas de financiación más bajas en decadas. Fueron los mejores años de Latinoamerica. Solo ella y su pésimo gobierno podía haberlo hecho TAN mal. Por eso mismo perdieron 3 elecciones consecutivas. De las últimos 6 elecciones, perdieron 5. CINCO. 2
zzmyth Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 Such a disgrace to have a clown being elected in a country that once was the biggest economy of LATAM. He better bring them numbers... coz the civil rights that he is about to smash are just abominable
Cloudy Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 Yikes. 8 hours ago, Blade Runner said: Britain, Spain and Italy (especially Italy) are equally seeing the rise of the extreme right. The whole world is over. Spain just confirmed Pedro Sánchez's second 4 year term and we've had the most progressive eft winged governmet we've had since the beginning of our democracy. Please don't group us with those
Monster Megamind Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, She-Rah said: I agree I have my reservations about him, however if you look at his opposition (and the candidates running against him in February) they’re a joke. Nobody takes them seriously. His opposition failed to come up with a candidate that could go head to head against him: young, polished, well-spoken etc. Instead, they nominated these old men that he will clearly dog walk and easily beat in the election. The opposition should’ve also focused in taking back the assembly so they could check his power from there. Instead they spent the entire last 4 years calling him dictator and crying to the international community and that has had little to no effect with the population. He’s more popular than ever now (I think the Gallup poll that came out this weekend says 93% of the population supports his reelection) and once his second term is over I’m pretty sure his brother Karim will take over because his opposition is a joke and people don’t trust the left or the right. His opposition will have to be someone fresh and not linked to the left or right wing parties. People do not trust them and would rather take a chance on someone else. He will win reelection there’s no way with those high approval numbers he will lose. So the opposition needs to focus on taking back the assembly in the next elections his party is expected to win over 50 assembly seats out of 60 in February I think he's going no where. He will remove term limits in his second term. Fascists don't give up power that easily. Instead of the current incompetent opposition, I would instead prefer a more liberal and educated party and which also calls for deregulation and promotes businesses Edited November 20, 2023 by Monster Megamind
Movimento Perpétuo Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 So Miss Millei already said earlier that he will privatize all the communication sector and start to convert the peso into an American dollar. Cute
Topmaster 2 Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 You have to live here to understand with Javier Milei won, the inflation you guys don't know how it feels go to the supermarket one day and have an expensive price the the next day it's awful, the insecurity here people who steals, rap3 and kill are free on the streets while you are closed in your house living with fear that's not the country I want. Yes Milei is scary but he was the "best" choice.
Digitalism Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 11 hours ago, Dephira said: Peronistas and the Kirchner family have no one to blame but themselves They based their whole campaign on the war and the dictatorship and people just want jobs. Of course Milei is going to win with his make argentina great again rhetorics
Joyride Posted November 20, 2023 Posted November 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Electric Youth said: So Miss Millei already said earlier that he will privatize all the communication sector and start to convert the peso into an American dollar. Cute now the real problem is that people will start realizing that their wages won't go up and they'll just get the same amount, but in USD, which will not only make them an unstable economy due to lack of power over their own money, but they'll have to play by the United States' ups and downs when it comes to economy. Also, to make the transition into USD as he official currency you have to have enough dollars to make it happen. you can't magically convert ARS into USD I feel so bad for all my Argentinian friends. I wish them the best.
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