news +1000 Taylor Swift fans fainted at today's concert in Rio de Janeiro. One girl died.

[Gui Blackout]

5 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

I think it's better for some fans to lose their tickets than to some of them to lose their lives 

That's a bit overdramatic. Again, the organization just needs to do a better support job especially for the people who are waiting outside throughout the day, provide water, shades, etc.

[Badgalbriel]

1 minute ago, Gui Blackout said:

That's a bit overdramatic. Again, the organization just needs to do a better support job especially for the people who are waiting outside throughout the day, provide water, shades, etc.

But here's the thing. Tomorrow will be just as hot as today. There's no reason to risk it 

[Feetree]

This sweet sweet girl 

 

 

 

Edited November 18, 2023 by Feetree

[Mr. Mendes]

6 minutes ago, truthteller said:

what in the astroworld..... RIP to the victim... that's a horrible way to die  

Honestly the two situations are different. Astroworld was an absolutely out of control catastrophe that combined an irresponsible and reckless artist with a crowd that was not being tended to by a procedure-less and inattentive staff that led to a crowd crush. 

 

This meanwhile is the extreme conclusion of a policy that exists in stadiums all over the world that bans people from bringing in a basic life necessity in favor of making them buy one inside, amplified by a lack of proper staffing for such a large event. 
 

There are lots of things to blame Astroworld on, meanwhile the blame rests solely with the venue and this policy that I hope venues start to rethink. 

[Bubble Tea]

Tragic and very sad. I think we all on ATRL know what it means to look up to and idolise (to an extent...) our faves, so while I wouldn't personally ever spend a day in boiling sun awaiting a concert, I can understand why someone would and I'm super sympathetic. 

[Mr. Mendes]

4 minutes ago, Gui Blackout said:

That's a bit overdramatic. Again, the organization just needs to do a better support job especially for the people who are waiting outside throughout the day, provide water, shades, etc.

I truly don’t think tomorrow and Sunday’s shows are going to go on. There’s talks that she and the venue are already discussing postponement. She has some room in the schedule following  Sao Paulo and if she can get a reschedule, she needs to. The show shouldn’t go on tomorrow with how much hotter it’s supposed to be. 

[Cloröx]

2 hours ago, corotinho said:

It was at 140F at the stadium (amount of people together). In a desert, of course it recorded more than in Rio (out of the stadium)

It's heat index I believe. The real temperature probably around 39'C (most likely higher in the stadium) but because of the humidity the hot sensation stings harder which is why heatwave in tropical country is so dangerous even the registered temperature barely at high end 30s or low end 40s'C. Anyway to those who attend the concert makes sure you drink a lot of water and stay hydrated.

 

 

 

[Bloo]

13 minutes ago, Gui Blackout said:

That's a bit overdramatic. Again, the organization just needs to do a better support job especially for the people who are waiting outside throughout the day, provide water, shades, etc.

How is it overdramatic? A girl literally died.

[Soda Pop Queen]

Damn, I looked up the climate of Brazil and apparently, they are in their Summer season which is lasting until February. Some better elaborate planning and precaution should've been taken for this. For Americans, 60 degrees Celsius translates to 140 degrees Fahrenheit!!! If it got that hot here over our Summer months, immediate burn bans and excessive heat warnings would go up, demanding everyone to stay indoors and in cool air. Nothing would be open for business, let alone a stadium concert. Hell, we got hazards and warnings for temps much less several months ago. 

 

R.I.P. to this young lady. I hope her funeral costs are covered.

[XAMJ]

Wow I can see the Travis fans coming for her and blaming Taylor 

[NoOneDiesFromLove]

RIP

 

It must be borderline criminal to not allow concertgoers to bring water bottles knowing the temperature was gonna reach 40C  I truly hope Night 2 is getting postponed since it’s getting even hotter

[Badgalbriel]

 

3 minutes ago, Soda Pop Queen said:

Damn, I looked up the climate of Brazil and apparently, they are in their Summer season which is lasting until February. Some better elaborate planning and precaution should've been taken for this. For Americans, 60 degrees Celsius translates to 140 degrees Fahrenheit!!! If it got that hot here over our Summer months, immediate burn bans and excessive heat warnings would go up, demanding everyone to stay indoors and in cool air. Nothing would be open for business, let alone a stadium concert. Hell, we got hazards and warnings for temps much less several months ago. 

 

R.I.P. to this young lady. I hope her funeral costs are covered.

This is not due to summer, unfortunately. It doesn't get this hot here.

We're severely impacted by El Niño, which is causing this.

 

Edited November 18, 2023 by Badgalbriel

[Badgalbriel]

2 minutes ago, XAMJ said:

Wow I can see the Travis fans coming for her and blaming Taylor 

Of course not. Taylor was the one actually handing water bottles to the fans near the stage. It was due to the girl getting there at 11am, staying under the sun all day and being dehydrated. 

[Ash12345]

3 minutes ago, Soda Pop Queen said:

Damn, I looked up the climate of Brazil and apparently, they are in their Summer season which is lasting until February. Some better elaborate planning and precaution should've been taken for this. For Americans, 60 degrees Celsius translates to 140 degrees Fahrenheit!!! If it got that hot here over our Summer months, immediate burn bans and excessive heat warnings would go up, demanding everyone to stay indoors and in cool air. Nothing would be open for business, let alone a stadium concert. Hell, we got hazards and warnings for temps much less several months ago. 

 

R.I.P. to this young lady. I hope her funeral costs are covered.

It was apparently a humid 31C (88F) at the airport station. 

https://www.tempo.com/rio-de-janeiro_rio-de-janeiro-l12987-sactual.htm

 

So it's not crazy, but body heat from huge crowds can raise temperature and this girl was camping out all day it seems.

 

I don't think the 60C figure is legit but it might've been 40C+ on the floor due to body heat and poor ventilation, which when combined with the humidity, lack of water, maybe panicking due to claustrophobia and not being heard over the noise, can cause significant distress.

[Steve Johnson]

Ban camping or make some rules. 

[cat1867]

 

2 minutes ago, Steve Johnson said:

Ban camping or make some rules. 

They would love to stop camping but it's impossible to enforce.  It just changes where the lines occur.

[conquxror]

3 minutes ago, Ash12345 said:

I don't think the 60C figure is legit but it might've been 40C+ on the floor due to body heat and poor ventilation,

I don’t know about other countries, but here in Brazil — especially Rio — we hear the term “sensação térmica” (thermal sensation) a lot, because 100% of the time we feel the temperature WAY HOTER than it actually is. During summer, we’ve had thermal sensations of 50C before when the actual temperature was around 38C. Today, I believe the actual temperature peaked at 43C but it definitely felt a lot worse than that — and yes, it is just as agonizing as it sounds.

[Gui Blackout]

2 minutes ago, Bloo said:

How is it overdramatic? A girl literally died.

Again as explained, she died because she was waiting in the sun and peak heat throughout the day in line outside of the stadium, this all happened before the concert even started. I talked to people I know who were there and they said by the time Taylor came on around 8pm, it was hot, sure, but it was already much cooler. The struggle was the leading up to. So instead of canceling the concert altogether and having thousands of fans lose their money and their tickets, a much easier solution is for the organization to provide better experience and support for the fans on the remaining dates: free water, shelter from the sun/heat, more efficient entry to the venue, etc.

[Bloo]

3 minutes ago, Gui Blackout said:

Again as explained, she died because she was waiting in the sun and peak heat throughout the day in line outside of the stadium, this all happened before the concert even started. I talked to people I know who were there and they said by the time Taylor came on around 8pm, it was hot, sure, but it was already much cooler. The struggle was the leading up to. So instead of canceling the concert altogether and having thousands of fans lose their money and their tickets, a much easier solution is for the organization to provide better experience and support for the fans on the remaining dates: free water, shelter from the sun/heat, more efficient entry to the venue, etc.

Again, that doesn’t change the fact that one person has already died and 1000+ passed out. That’s not safe conditions to hold a concert under any circumstance. It is not remotely “over dramatic” to say there is legitimate reason to be concerned of people’s health and lives given what’s happened. 

[Ash12345]

2 minutes ago, conquxror said:

I don’t know about other countries, but here in Brazil — especially Rio — we hear the term “sensação térmica” (thermal sensation) a lot, because 100% of the time we feel the temperature WAY HOTER than it actually is. During summer, we’ve had thermal sensations of 50C before when the actual temperature was around 38C. Today, I believe the actual temperature peaked at 43C but it definitely felt a lot worse than that — and yes, it is just as agonizing as it sounds.

I dunno, the weather sites I could find say the actually temperature was only 31C today, but tomorrow it will be 36C.

The United States uses the "heat index" which takes into account humidity, so if it's humid, the heat index will be a higher value than the actual temperature. If the humidity is very low, then the heat index can be lower than the actual temperature.

 

Canada has "humidex", which is calculated different from "heat index" - the formula will give higher values than the heat index even if the actually conditions are the same. Not sure how "thermal sensation" is calculated.

 

Low-mid 30s (actually temperature) is still very hot though, especially under the tropical high angle sun and with high humidity.

[cat1867]

6 minutes ago, Gui Blackout said:

Again as explained, she died because she was waiting in the sun and peak heat throughout the day in line outside of the stadium, this all happened before the concert even started. I talked to people I know who were there and they said by the time Taylor came on around 8pm, it was hot, sure, but it was already much cooler. The struggle was the leading up to. So instead of canceling the concert altogether and having thousands of fans lose their money and their tickets, a much easier solution is for the organization to provide better experience and support for the fans on the remaining dates: free water, shelter from the sun/heat, more efficient entry to the venue, etc.

That would take more than 12 hours to implement it and Saturday is supposed to be 10 degrees hotter. 

 

Maybe they will just reschedule to Monday but thats the optimistic option.

[enchanted0]

Geniunely don’t get why they do FCFS? thing for GA. I mean if you gonna do the standing section, you can easily let people gets ticket with the certian number and let them enter in order. Our country does that for every single show

[Klein]

Unless they can very quickly come up with a plan to ensure the safety of the fans, I hope they reschedule at least the next show. If the forecast saying tomorrow is going to be even hotter are true, then it would be irresponsible to hold the concert without a real, proper plan. Especially after the tragedy of today. 

[Klein]

7 minutes ago, enchanted0 said:

Geniunely don’t get why they do FCFS? thing for GA. I mean if you gonna do the standing section, you can easily let people gets ticket with the certian number and let them enter in order. Our country does that for every single show

How does that work? Cause that seems impossible to implement for like tens of thousands of people. 

[Psyduck]

18 minutes ago, Gui Blackout said:

Again as explained, she died because she was waiting in the sun and peak heat throughout the day in line outside of the stadium, this all happened before the concert even started. I talked to people I know who were there and they said by the time Taylor came on around 8pm, it was hot, sure, but it was already much cooler. The struggle was the leading up to. So instead of canceling the concert altogether and having thousands of fans lose their money and their tickets, a much easier solution is for the organization to provide better experience and support for the fans on the remaining dates: free water, shelter from the sun/heat, more efficient entry to the venue, etc.

Sounds like the venue needs to ban/prevent people from camping out on the sidewalk in the sun.