BorderBoy Posted November 13, 2023 Posted November 13, 2023 12 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said: Which part of that land is Palestine and which part is Jewish land? Both have lived there for a long time I do find it interesting you people care so much about this land and these people but ignore what is happening in Yemen, Uighur Muslims, Kurdish people, current Sudan War, Natives in America previously, Syria. I wonder why. You, people, won't protest for anything else but protest against Israel. The UN who are very biased against Israel even think both have claims to land there. Whataboutism isn't your friend in this context this time, really. The UN is a joke. Neither the UN, or the US, or the UK or any party have rights or claims whatsoever to decide who has claims to the lands. Palestine belongs to the Palestinians that have always lived in it, period. Read history, Palestinians, and that includes Muslims, Christians and Jews, all lived and co-existed in Palestine before Zionisim came out as a supremacy power wanting to exist at the expense of other groups until this very day. 9
ForgottenSoul Posted November 13, 2023 Posted November 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, Terrielle said: ''why are u talking about our genocide and not other genocides :('' I mean it make sense? You only care about one conflict. Yemen conflict resulted in 337k deaths yet you didn't see the same support for them. 1
Namie-Knowles Posted November 13, 2023 Posted November 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said: I mean it make sense? You only care about one conflict. Yemen conflict resulted in 337k deaths yet you didn't see the same support for them. What does this has to do with anything at hand. Quickly?!
ForgottenSoul Posted November 13, 2023 Posted November 13, 2023 Just now, BorderBoy said: Whataboutism isn't your friend in this context this time, really. The UN is a joke. Neither the UN, or the US, or the UK or any party have rights or claims whatsoever to decide who has claims to the lands. Palestine belongs to the Palestinians that have always lived in it, period. Read history, Palestinians, and that includes Muslims, Christians and Jews, all lived and co-existed in Palestine before Zionisim came out as a supremacy power wanting to exist at the expense of other groups until this very day. Palestine belongs to Palestinians.. which wasn't called that until Palestine the actual country was formed after Isreal was. As you said many people co existed in that area yet you think only Palestine has the right to form a country and no-one else, that makes a lot of sense. 1 1 1 10
ForgottenSoul Posted November 13, 2023 Posted November 13, 2023 Just now, Namie-Knowles said: What does this has to do with anything at hand. Quickly?! It just shows what hypocrites people are.
Stankonia Posted November 13, 2023 Posted November 13, 2023 Hopefully his character dies in ST next season so we never have to hear about this disgusting biggot ever again 1
Namie-Knowles Posted November 13, 2023 Posted November 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said: It just shows what hypocrites people are. Okay anyways let's focus on the genocide that is occuring and people have gathered support upon. Because, yes some murderers get away with it but that doesn't mean all murderes in the court system should be let free and ignored since we didn't catch them all. Let's use our brains. 1
watermelonshake Posted November 13, 2023 Posted November 13, 2023 If it's any consolation I don't really think his career was going anywhere after Stranger Things, anyway. 1
ForgottenSoul Posted November 13, 2023 Posted November 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, Namie-Knowles said: Okay anyways let's focus on the genocide that is occuring and people have gathered support upon. Because, yes some murderers get away with it but that doesn't mean all murderes in the court system should be let free and ignored since we didn't catch them all. Let's use our brains. It's just very interesting that the one thing people decided to care about is against Jewish people. 1 1 1 4
blown away Posted November 13, 2023 Posted November 13, 2023 The Zionism is sexy one I have no words...
CatchIt Posted November 13, 2023 Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) 48 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said: Can we add some more context to this? It's not as simple as that Israel and Jewish people think people want to kill them all also. You also leave out the context that Hamas still fires rockets, (8k last month) and hearing a bomb alarm all the time wouldn't exactly be nice either. If Israel didn't have the Iron Dome I guess people would care about them both sides have a group that wants to genocide the other but one side has a better defense that's pretty much the difference. Palestine deserve peace but people are acting like its a one way thing towards them and they do nothing towards Isreal. Nobody's saying that all Palestinians are saints. I don't disagree that context is key, which begs the question as to why Hamas / Palestine is firing rockets at Israel in the first place. Obviously, the issue is deep rooted and there are conflicting claims over territories. But the fact is that the lived reality of many Palestinians cannot be reconciled with Israel's position / actions. Palestinians have, for years prior to the Oct 7 attacks, been unfairly and brutally forced out of their homes and have been subject to indiscriminate bombing activities (in clear violation of international laws). The issue is far more complicated than how you are presenting it. Hamas are terrorists. But the general consensus is that Israel is also not acting proportionately in its response and its actions have gone beyond the scope of what self defence allows for under international law. The killing of innocent civilians, especially children, can never be justified under any circumstances. Even if it is true that Hamas militants are seeking refuge amongst a civilian crowd, it is never justifiable to kill 1,000 innocent victims to get rid of a far smaller number of militants. And the world is helpless because the U.S. is allied with Israel and Israel possesses nukes. Noah Schnapp is a clown who clearly doesn't understand the intricacies of the matter. Supporting Zionism is to completely disregard the lived reality of innocent Palestinians. He is living his rich, privileged life whilst ignoring the suffering and hurt the Palestinians go through on a daily basis. I hope his career suffers. Edited November 13, 2023 by CatchIt 1
BorderBoy Posted November 13, 2023 Posted November 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said: Palestine belongs to Palestinians.. which wasn't called that until Palestine the actual country was formed after Isreal was. As you said many people co existed in that area yet you think only Palestine has the right to form a country and no-one else, that makes a lot of sense. Basically saying that Palestine doesn't exist is such a zionist claim to justify stealing more Palestinian lands and excusing genocide because according to your logic, the land belongs to nobody and if Israel doesn't take it, maybe someone else will? If Palestine never exited, explain why everyone living in the lands of Palestine carried Palestinian passports including those who later played an essential part in the zionist state of Israel such as Golda Meir? People are paying attention to Palestine because this isn't a war, it's an aggression that aims to ethically cleanse Palestinians. It's modern age colonialism. 3 1
Folklore89sm Posted November 13, 2023 Posted November 13, 2023 He’s a shite actor and a worse person. Stranger Things is dead anyway but he should be sacked.
campelo Posted November 13, 2023 Posted November 13, 2023 I hope someone will give him a beating in the street
CatchIt Posted November 13, 2023 Posted November 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said: It's just very interesting that the one thing people decided to care about is against Jewish people. You can't expect everyone to rally against every evil act all at once. Be realistic. Principally, I think everyone can agree that we are against genocide and the innocent killing of innocent civilians no matter the context or the reason. The Israel-Palestine war is an issue that has dominated headlines recently and has obvious ramifications internationally because it is not just a local issue. There are many Muslims around the world that are aggrieved by the state of affairs and only time will tell the impact it's going to have going forward.
rzal Posted November 13, 2023 Posted November 13, 2023 Yeah genocide is so sexy haha. Zionists disgust me so much 34 minutes ago, qurl said: u know , i don’t think traditional boycotts for giant companies in all this … really work, frankly but he is making such a fatal miscalculation in relation to his career bc who is/would be checking for him ?? people his age. the vast majority of his generational peers are exceedingly progressive and believe in the cause of Palestinian liberation. so when he’s in some whatever movie for Netflix or even some big budget box office thing (he will undoubtably garner some form of upper echelon/production side Hollywood sympathy for his vocal zionism support) , and the only people that WOULD have cared decide to skip it …. what will all of this have been for ? for your free, expenses paid misguided trips to Israel?? he really could have just shut his ass up and not said ANYTHING or just signed some open letter he didn’t believe in, but if he wants his career to die on this hill, he can and will very much watch that happen ! You're right, the Starbucks boycott is delusional but it's so easy to end B list celebrity careers. Bye Noah!
shoganai Posted November 13, 2023 Posted November 13, 2023 I’m not surprised he’s annoying as the character he portrays. The male version of Rachel Berry 2
airplane Posted November 13, 2023 Posted November 13, 2023 13 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said: Palestine belongs to Palestinians.. which wasn't called that until Palestine the actual country was formed after Isreal was. As you said many people co existed in that area yet you think only Palestine has the right to form a country and no-one else, that makes a lot of sense. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistines There are literally maps from before 1948 showing the existence of Palestine on the world map. Just stupid and uninformed. 1
Villas Posted November 13, 2023 Posted November 13, 2023 It seems like he's different from his colleagues in the series; he appears to be quite carefree. I suppose it already signifies that his career might now be unbooked and flopped!
Stankonia Posted November 13, 2023 Posted November 13, 2023 35 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said: Which part of that land is Palestine and which part is Jewish land? Both have lived there for a long time I do find it interesting you people care so much about this land and these people but ignore what is happening in Yemen, Uighur Muslims, Kurdish people, current Sudan War, Natives in America previously, Syria. I wonder why. You, people, won't protest for anything else but protest against Israel. The UN who are very biased against Israel even think both have claims to land there. Not the UN being "very biased against Israel" just because they timidly try to remind Israel that international law should be upheld even in Palestine. Here's some history for you courtesy of Wikipedia since you've obviously been brainwashed by zionist propaganda. In 1948, more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs – about half of prewar Mandatory Palestine's Arab population – fled from their homes or were expelled by Zionist militias[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] during the 1948 Palestine war,[9] following the Partition Plan for Palestine. The expulsion and flight was a central component of the fracturing, dispossession, and displacement of Palestinian society, known as the Nakba.[10][11] Between 400 and 600 Palestinian villages were destroyed. Village wells were poisoned in a biological warfare programme and properties were looted to prevent Palestinian refugees from returning.[12][13] Other sites were subject to Hebraization of Palestinian place names.[14] These activities were not necessarily limited to the year 1948.[15] The precise number of Palestinian refugees, many of whom settled in Palestinian refugee camps in neighboring states, is a matter of dispute.[16] Around 80 percent of the Arab inhabitants of what became Israel (half of the Arab total population of Mandatory Palestine) left or were expelled from their homes.[17][18] About 250,000–300,000 Palestinians fled or were expelled during the 1947–1948 civil war in Mandatory Palestine, before the Israeli Declaration of Independence in May 1948, a fact which was named as a casus belli for the entry of the Arab League into the country, sparking the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. The causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus are also a subject of fundamental disagreement among historians. Factors involved in the exodus include Jewish military advances, destruction of Arab villages, psychological warfare, fears of another massacre by Zionist militias after the Deir Yassin massacre,[19]: 239–240 which caused many to leave out of panic, direct expulsion orders by Israeli authorities, the demoralizing impact of wealthier classes fleeing,[20] the typhoid epidemic in some areas caused by Israeli well-poisoning,[21] collapse in Palestinian leadership and Arab evacuation orders,[22][23] and a disinclination to live under Jewish control.[24][25] Later, a series of land and property laws passed by the first Israeli government prevented Arabs who had left from returning to their homes or claiming their property. They and many of their descendants remain refugees.[26][27] The expulsion of the Palestinians has since been described by some historians as ethnic cleansing,[28][13][29] while others dispute this charge.[30][31][32] Nevertheless, the existence of the so-called Law of Return allowing for immigration and naturalization of any Jewish person and their family to Israel, while a Palestinian right of return has been denied, has been cited as an evidence for the charges of apartheid against the State of Israel.[33][34] The status of the refugees, and in particular whether Israel will allow them the right to return to their homes, or compensate them, are key issues in the ongoing Israeli–Palestinian conflict.[citation needed] The events of 1948 are commemorated by Palestinians both in the Palestinian territories and elsewhere on 15 May, a date known as Nakba Day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight 5
ForgottenSoul Posted November 13, 2023 Posted November 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, CatchIt said: Nobody's saying that all Palestinians are saints. I don't disagree that context is key, which begs the question as to why Hamas / Palestine is firing rockets at Israel in the first place. Obviously, the issue is deep rooted and there are conflicting claims over territories. But the fact is that the lived reality of many Palestinians cannot be reconciled with Israel's position / actions. Palestinians have, for years prior to the Oct 7 attacks, been unfairly and brutally forced out of their homes and have been subject to indiscriminate bombing activities (in clear violation of international laws). The issue is far more complicated than how you are presenting it. Hamas are terrorists. But the general consensus is that Israel is also not acting proportionately in its response and its actions have gone beyond the scope of what self defence allows for under international law. The killing of innocent civilians, especially children, can never be justified under any circumstances. Even if it is true that Hamas militants are seeking refuge amongst a civilian crowd, it is never justifiable to kill 1,000 innocent victims to get rid of a far smaller number of militants. And the world is helpless because the U.S. is allied with Israel and Israel possess nukes. Noah Schnapp is a clown who clearly doesn't understand the intricacies of the matter. Supporting Zionism is to completely disregard the lived reality of innocent Palestinians. He is living his rich, privileged life whilst ignoring the suffering and hurt the Palestinians go through on a daily basis. I hope his career suffers. I'm just responding to someone who was also giving a very simple view of a way more complicated conflict than people saying. People are only saying one side and not the Isreal side which I don't support fully. I think they have a right to exist as a country so do Palestine I also support a Kurdish country but finding where to create that is the issue. I agree that the way IDF acts is way too far that's the issue with this conflict, if you say anything about Israel that means you support everything they do when this is way more complicated than people are acting. You have Netanyahu who is someone who detests Palestine people and Hamas who is taking advantage of the attack he most likely knew was going to happen. Also before this war, he was being protested against and has deep unpopularity so is using this to try to survive. You have people on both sides who do want a two-state solution but then the extremes on both sides try to stop that every step of the way. I agree with you that it's not justified to kill hundreds of Innocents to get to a few Hamas fighters, I agree with Isreal right to exist as a country that doesn't mean I support every action they do. I agree that Noah is quite ignorant to this matter. 8 minutes ago, BorderBoy said: Basically saying that Palestine doesn't exist is such a zionist claim to justify stealing more Palestinian lands and excusing genocide because according to your logic, the land belongs to nobody and if Israel doesn't take it, maybe someone else will? If Palestine never exited, explain why everyone living in the lands of Palestine carried Palestinian passports including those who later played an essential part in the zionist state of Israel such as Golda Meir? People are paying attention to Palestine because this isn't a war, it's an aggression that aims to ethically cleanse Palestinians. It's modern age colonialism. I never said Palestine doesn't exist just that Palestine state didn't exist before Israel was founded. if you want to claim something read what I said. The land belongs to many sides which is what the big issues are. 1
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