MusicandSoul Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) On 11/13/2023 at 8:31 PM, Artistofthedecade said: She is currently on the biggest tour of all time. Some artists were struggling to sell arenas few years after their peak so people care more than enough about her i fear. No one outside of the fanbase does. that was the point dear People still care about Britney tho. Fans or not. Thats why a book outsold royalty and presidents. Thats why one is still spoke about and continuously tops the most googled person charts 25years later and why one just had to re-record an old album. Get real. Edited November 14, 2023 by MusicandSoul 1 1
WildHeart Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) 35 minutes ago, MusicandSoul said: No one outside of the fanbase does. 35 minutes ago, MusicandSoul said: People still care about Britney tho. 2M "fans" buying a Britney book shows that people care about Britney but somehow 10M people buying Taylor tickets or +100M people listening her music monthly doesn't. 35 minutes ago, MusicandSoul said: Thats why one is still spoke about and continuously tops the most googled person charts 25years later Glimpse — The 100 Most Searched People on Google in 2023 - Glimpse (meetglimpse.com) #1 Taylor Swift #29 Britney Spears 35 minutes ago, MusicandSoul said: one just had to re-record an old album Which already outsold any Britney album from the last 15 years. Like... how delusional you have to seriously believe that your fave is somehow bigger than the biggest artist in the world who is currently in her imperial phase. Still stuck in the early 00s Edited November 14, 2023 by Artistofthedecade 1 2 1
FightDragonsWithMe Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 Gaga & Taylor had longevity and didn't burn out as fast as Britney. 3 1
Innocencelost Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 I’m happy to be old enough to have experienced the peak of both Britney and Gaga cause young Swifties will unfortunately never experience anything that iconic with the biggest artist in the world as of 2023. 2 1
MusicandSoul Posted November 15, 2023 Posted November 15, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Artistofthedecade said: 2M "fans" buying a Britney book shows that people care about Britney but somehow 10M people buying Taylor tickets or +100M people listening her music monthly doesn't. Glimpse — The 100 Most Searched People on Google in 2023 - Glimpse (meetglimpse.com) #1 Taylor Swift #29 Britney Spears Which already outsold any Britney album from the last 15 years. Like... how delusional you have to seriously believe that your fave is somehow bigger than the biggest artist in the world who is currently in her imperial phase. Still stuck in the early 00s Lol. One little year does not discount Britney being no.1 most searched for MULTIPLE years - During MANY phases of her career - including RETIREMENT. Please sit down. - shes probably only behind MJ and Elvis ******* presley. The post is not about WHICH year. It’s about OVERALL impact - Taylor visited Britney’s show at 12. Not the other way around lol - she’s just another artist who wouldn’t even exist if it wasnt for Britney’s career. Lol please.. And “Fans” ? Everyone and their mother bought Britney’s book. 2million first week? chile please. No one is stuck in 00’s . Im just not 15 years of age sweets. Edited November 15, 2023 by MusicandSoul 1
WildHeart Posted November 15, 2023 Posted November 15, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, MusicandSoul said: And “Fans” ? Everyone and their mother bought Britney’s book. 2million first week? That's less than 2% of first world's population. Barely 0.3% of whole world's population. Believe me average person on the street don't know what a Britney book is. And kii at you claiming that tens of millions of people who listen Taylor are all fans but also claiming that Britney doesn't even have 2M fans Your fave's own words end that conversation We took a picture, and she then became the most iconic pop woman of our generation. - Britney Spears Edited November 15, 2023 by Artistofthedecade 2 1
BrandNewBrandon Posted November 15, 2023 Posted November 15, 2023 (edited) 19 hours ago, Axelios said: Taylor current global domination is much bigger than Britney and Gaga given that noone is challenging her while the others had competition and artists bigger than them. As has been stated by others, this is simply wrong. We are only looking at peaks, be it commercial or cultural, and outside of English-speaking countries the stats and facts reflect what others have also observed and that's that Gaga's and Britney's peak eras were bigger than Taylor's. I'm going to go with Taylor's most successful album here, so it's 1989 vs. the others. AUSTRIA: The Fame: 7x Platinum (along with four #1 singles overall) 1989: 3x Platinum (along with 0 #1 singles overall) BRAZIL: The Fame: 2x Platinum 1989: Platinum FRANCE: The Fame: DIAMOND (along with three #1 singles overall) 1989: Platinum (along with 0 #1 singles overall) GERMANY: The Fame: 9x Gold which is 900,000 copies (along with four #1 singles overall) 1989: Platinum which is 200,000 copies (along with 0 #1 singles overall) DENMARK: The Fame: 4x Platinum 1989: 2x Platinum FINLAND: The Fame: Platinum 1989: N/A ITALY: The Fame: 4x Platinum (along with one #1 single overall) 1989: Platinum (along with 0 #1 singles overall) NETHERLANDS: The Fame: 2x Platinum (along with three #1 singles overall) 1989: Gold (along with 0 #1 singles overall) SWITZERLAND: The Fame: 4x Platinum (along with four #1 singles overall) 1989: Gold (along with 0 #1 singles overall) POLAND: The Fame: DIAMOND (along with two #1 singles overall) 1989: 2x Platinum (along with one #1 single) JAPAN: The Fame: 1,000,000 sold copies 1989: 250,000 sold copies And those are just some of the markets though. Britney's sales were on par if not bigger than Gaga. Both have Taylor beat. And let's not forget that during those eras Britney and Gaga had equally huge numbers in the US and every other English speaking country (in the UK Gaga's album is bigger than any Taylor album as well), so overall in terms of commercial peaks Taylor falls behind Gaga and Britney. Edited November 15, 2023 by BrandNewBrandon 1 3 1
Trash Posted November 15, 2023 Posted November 15, 2023 9 hours ago, FightDragonsWithMe said: Gaga had longevity 2
Geraldine Posted November 15, 2023 Posted November 15, 2023 (edited) taylor swift has actual success and acclaim nobody took gaga or britney seriously in their peak Edited November 15, 2023 by Geraldine
Mystic Boy Posted November 15, 2023 Posted November 15, 2023 5 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said: As has been stated by others, this is simply wrong. We are only looking at peaks, be it commercial or cultural, and outside of English-speaking countries the stats and facts reflect what others have also observed and that's that Gaga's and Britney's peak eras were bigger than Taylor's. I'm going to go with Taylor's most successful album here, so it's 1989 vs. the others. AUSTRIA: The Fame: 7x Platinum (along with four #1 singles overall) 1989: 3x Platinum (along with 0 #1 singles overall) BRAZIL: The Fame: 2x Platinum 1989: Platinum FRANCE: The Fame: DIAMOND (along with three #1 singles overall) 1989: Platinum (along with 0 #1 singles overall) GERMANY: The Fame: 9x Gold which is 900,000 copies (along with four #1 singles overall) 1989: Platinum which is 200,000 copies (along with 0 #1 singles overall) DENMARK: The Fame: 4x Platinum 1989: 2x Platinum FINLAND: The Fame: Platinum 1989: N/A ITALY: The Fame: 4x Platinum (along with one #1 single overall) 1989: Platinum (along with 0 #1 singles overall) NETHERLANDS: The Fame: 2x Platinum (along with three #1 singles overall) 1989: Gold (along with 0 #1 singles overall) SWITZERLAND: The Fame: 4x Platinum (along with four #1 singles overall) 1989: Gold (along with 0 #1 singles overall) POLAND: The Fame: DIAMOND (along with two #1 singles overall) 1989: 2x Platinum (along with one #1 single) JAPAN: The Fame: 1,000,000 sold copies 1989: 250,000 sold copies Thank you! That was my intention when saying Gaga peak was miles bigger than Taylor outside the US but didn't wanna enagage further with that delulu Swiftie.... 1
Mystic Boy Posted November 15, 2023 Posted November 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Geraldine said: taylor swift has actual success and acclaim nobody took gaga or britney seriously in their peak Britney,yes for sure.But Gaga? LOL you know that's a damn lie..
Geraldine Posted November 15, 2023 Posted November 15, 2023 Just now, Mystic Boy said: Britney,yes for sure.But Gaga? LOL you know that's a damn lie.. no its not. the gp didnt know she was talented until that oscar performance.
bjorn Posted November 15, 2023 Posted November 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, Geraldine said: no its not. the gp didnt know she was talented until that oscar performance. This is so true
Mystic Boy Posted November 15, 2023 Posted November 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, Geraldine said: no its not. the gp didnt know she was talented until that oscar performance. She was praised to the heavens for her performances starting of VMA 2009 and The Fame Monster Tour, let's not Add to that countless awards Grammys..... FAR from a Britney Spears situation Part of GP discovered that after a few years but she was not treated like a talentless puppet...
MusicandSoul Posted November 15, 2023 Posted November 15, 2023 9 hours ago, Artistofthedecade said: That's less than 2% of first world's population. Barely 0.3% of whole world's population. Believe me average person on the street don't know what a Britney book is. And kii at you claiming that tens of millions of people who listen Taylor are all fans but also claiming that Britney doesn't even have 2M fans Your fave's own words end that conversation We took a picture, and she then became the most iconic pop woman of our generation. - Britney Spears
Badgalbriel Posted November 15, 2023 Posted November 15, 2023 13 hours ago, Innocencelost said: I’m happy to be old enough to have experienced the peak of both Britney and Gaga cause young Swifties will unfortunately never experience anything that iconic with the biggest artist in the world as of 2023. I also experienced the peak of both and maybe, just maybe, you're just too old now to experience Taylor's peak? Just hold that thought for a while. Everything seems bigger and better when we're young. Keep that in mind. 1
Badgalbriel Posted November 15, 2023 Posted November 15, 2023 8 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said: As has been stated by others, this is simply wrong. We are only looking at peaks, be it commercial or cultural, and outside of English-speaking countries the stats and facts reflect what others have also observed and that's that Gaga's and Britney's peak eras were bigger than Taylor's. I'm going to go with Taylor's most successful album here, so it's 1989 vs. the others. AUSTRIA: The Fame: 7x Platinum (along with four #1 singles overall) 1989: 3x Platinum (along with 0 #1 singles overall) BRAZIL: The Fame: 2x Platinum 1989: Platinum FRANCE: The Fame: DIAMOND (along with three #1 singles overall) 1989: Platinum (along with 0 #1 singles overall) GERMANY: The Fame: 9x Gold which is 900,000 copies (along with four #1 singles overall) 1989: Platinum which is 200,000 copies (along with 0 #1 singles overall) DENMARK: The Fame: 4x Platinum 1989: 2x Platinum FINLAND: The Fame: Platinum 1989: N/A ITALY: The Fame: 4x Platinum (along with one #1 single overall) 1989: Platinum (along with 0 #1 singles overall) NETHERLANDS: The Fame: 2x Platinum (along with three #1 singles overall) 1989: Gold (along with 0 #1 singles overall) SWITZERLAND: The Fame: 4x Platinum (along with four #1 singles overall) 1989: Gold (along with 0 #1 singles overall) POLAND: The Fame: DIAMOND (along with two #1 singles overall) 1989: 2x Platinum (along with one #1 single) JAPAN: The Fame: 1,000,000 sold copies 1989: 250,000 sold copies And those are just some of the markets though. Britney's sales were on par if not bigger than Gaga. Both have Taylor beat. And let's not forget that during those eras Britney and Gaga had equally huge numbers in the US and every other English speaking country (in the UK Gaga's album is bigger than any Taylor album as well), so overall in terms of commercial peaks Taylor falls behind Gaga and Britney. But this is not about Peak albums, is it? In 2023, Taylor sold more albums than both of them combined did in their peak years. 1989 is not her peak. The Eras is her peak.
WildHeart Posted November 15, 2023 Posted November 15, 2023 9 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said: As has been stated by others, this is simply wrong. We are only looking at peaks, be it commercial or cultural, and outside of English-speaking countries the stats and facts reflect what others have also observed and that's that Gaga's and Britney's peak eras were bigger than Taylor's. I'm going to go with Taylor's most successful album here, so it's 1989 vs. the others. AUSTRIA: The Fame: 7x Platinum (along with four #1 singles overall) 1989: 3x Platinum (along with 0 #1 singles overall) BRAZIL: The Fame: 2x Platinum 1989: Platinum FRANCE: The Fame: DIAMOND (along with three #1 singles overall) 1989: Platinum (along with 0 #1 singles overall) GERMANY: The Fame: 9x Gold which is 900,000 copies (along with four #1 singles overall) 1989: Platinum which is 200,000 copies (along with 0 #1 singles overall) DENMARK: The Fame: 4x Platinum 1989: 2x Platinum FINLAND: The Fame: Platinum 1989: N/A ITALY: The Fame: 4x Platinum (along with one #1 single overall) 1989: Platinum (along with 0 #1 singles overall) NETHERLANDS: The Fame: 2x Platinum (along with three #1 singles overall) 1989: Gold (along with 0 #1 singles overall) SWITZERLAND: The Fame: 4x Platinum (along with four #1 singles overall) 1989: Gold (along with 0 #1 singles overall) POLAND: The Fame: DIAMOND (along with two #1 singles overall) 1989: 2x Platinum (along with one #1 single) JAPAN: The Fame: 1,000,000 sold copies 1989: 250,000 sold copies And those are just some of the markets though. Britney's sales were on par if not bigger than Gaga. Both have Taylor beat. And let's not forget that during those eras Britney and Gaga had equally huge numbers in the US and every other English speaking country (in the UK Gaga's album is bigger than any Taylor album as well), so overall in terms of commercial peaks Taylor falls behind Gaga and Britney. Taylor's global peak is 2023 by far (as the OP clearly states) and this is how she is performing in the said countries as of last week AUSTRIA #1 1989 TV #8 Midnights #12 Lover #22 Folklore #24 Reputation #26 Speak Now TV #27 1989 #45 Evermore #47 Red TV BRAZIL (Spotify) #1 1989 TV #40 Lover #51 Midnights #61 1989 #63 Reputation #78 Folklore #158 Speak Now TV #182 Red TV FRANCE #1 1989 TV #53 Midnights #104 Speak Now #139 Evermore #140 Red TV GERMANY #1 1989 TV #20 Midnights #25 Folklore #28 Lover #35 Speak Now TV #38 Reputation #45 Evermore #47 1989 #60 Red TV DENMARK #10 Midnights #11 Lover #14 1989 #22 Folklore NETHERLANDS #1 1989 TV #6 Lover #10 Midnights #17 Folklore #32 Reputation #41 1989 #51 Red TV #56 Evermore #57 Speak Now TV SWITZERLAND #24 Midnights #26 Lover #31 Reputation #32 1989 #43 Folklore #55 Speak Now TV Taylor's peak is not exclusive to one album and that's what makes it special. Thanks to peaking late in her career, the interest spread all over her catalogue instead of all interest focusing on one album. This is why Taylor sold out multiple stadiums in every one of those countries, more than Britney and Gaga did combined... 3
BrandNewBrandon Posted November 16, 2023 Posted November 16, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, Artistofthedecade said: Taylor's global peak is 2023 by far (as the OP clearly states) and this is how she is performing in the said countries as of last week AUSTRIA #1 1989 TV #8 Midnights #12 Lover #22 Folklore #24 Reputation #26 Speak Now TV #27 1989 #45 Evermore #47 Red TV BRAZIL (Spotify) #1 1989 TV #40 Lover #51 Midnights #61 1989 #63 Reputation #78 Folklore #158 Speak Now TV #182 Red TV FRANCE #1 1989 TV #53 Midnights #104 Speak Now #139 Evermore #140 Red TV GERMANY #1 1989 TV #20 Midnights #25 Folklore #28 Lover #35 Speak Now TV #38 Reputation #45 Evermore #47 1989 #60 Red TV DENMARK #10 Midnights #11 Lover #14 1989 #22 Folklore NETHERLANDS #1 1989 TV #6 Lover #10 Midnights #17 Folklore #32 Reputation #41 1989 #51 Red TV #56 Evermore #57 Speak Now TV SWITZERLAND #24 Midnights #26 Lover #31 Reputation #32 1989 #43 Folklore #55 Speak Now TV Taylor's peak is not exclusive to one album and that's what makes it special. Thanks to peaking late in her career, the interest spread all over her catalogue instead of all interest focusing on one album. This is why Taylor sold out multiple stadiums in every one of those countries, more than Britney and Gaga did combined... While I definitely do understand your point, none of this explains why she can't get ONE album to match Gaga's peak album in terms of sales and hit songs. Like, why isn't the GP interested in delving into her most popular album as they were with Gaga's? And why does she not have any #1 singles in most countries? You also forget that Swift is peaking when she has an entire catalogue of well-acclaimed albums, while Gaga was peaking when she had ONE album. And today listening to an album at home also incorporates into charts. In other words, had The Fame been Gaga's fifth album and not her first and she was in the streaming era she would probably have been charting more albums at once as well. But in terms of ONE album, Taylor is behind Gaga. There's no excuse why she would be peaking more than Gaga just because she has all of her albums charting because that means the public cares less for her latest albums. Whichever way we spin it, more people were into ONE Gaga album than ONE Taylor album regardless how many she has. Madonna peaked with her third album despite it being her third album and Whitney was on her fourth when she peaked. Big catalogue or not, none of this explains why she has literally zero number one hits in most countries. You're telling me Taylor's commercial peak is bigger because she has her whole catalogue charting even though she can't score a single #1 song in any of those territories while Gaga has the smaller commercial peak despite having the better-selling album and numerous smash hits all at once? Please make that make sense. Besides, when talking about popularity PEAKS we're always taking into account one era and its singles (MJ's peak is Thriller, Madonna's True Blue, Whitney's The Bodyguard etc.), so with all due respect Taylor's peak era is still 1989 the same way Beyoncé's is IASF despite her being called the biggest star in the world when BEYONCE dropped in 2013 same way Taylor feels bigger now than ever before during Midnights. Truth be told, Lady Gaga's peak commercially (album sales and hits and radio) is bigger than Taylor's peak commercially with 1989. If Taylor was outpeaking 1989 then Midnights would've sold more and had the bigger songs. Like, there's no way around that fact. You can't say Midnights is bigger than 1989, can you? Even you know that it isn't, so if she was out-peaking 1989 now then her latest album would reflect that. And if she isn't outpeaking 1989 then 1989 is her peak era and that means in terms of peaks it's 1989 vs. The Fame. And The Fame was the bigger album. Taylor also had numerous albums at the time 1989 came out but that didn't prevent it from still scoring massive hits and singles. So implying that her back-catalogue is preventing her current album in charting bigger than 1989 is illogical. That's like saying ______ (insert artist) can't score a hit single anymore because she's got songs in the past. "Rihanna can't score a smash because she's got Umbrella from 2007". Adele can't sell 25 because 21 is still charting-kinda logic. If Taylor's got MORE people in line for her now than ever before her latest album should be as interesting to them as anything else and bigger than any album before. Or you're telling me more people are Taylor fans now but the majority are no1curr about her new albums but less people were into Taylor in 2014 but she sold more copies of 1989? Like, that's kinda shade towards her new material, don't you think? But again, none of this explains why she can't score a #1 hit in those territories. And you also seem to forget that Lady Gaga's traction on the internet according to Google Trends was also bigger than Taylor's at any point in her career. So you're still telling me despite more people buying Gaga's one album, despite the fact she had the bigger hits and despite the fact she had more traction on the internet Taylor's peak is bigger just because she has her back catalogue charting (in the streaming era where every listen counts towards the charts) when she has less hits and less traction to her name on the internet? Edited November 16, 2023 by BrandNewBrandon 1
Alexz Posted November 16, 2023 Posted November 16, 2023 Taylor is "selling" all those albums because they're available to listen for free. Nobody bought four or five Britney albums together because they already had them.
The Music Industry Posted November 16, 2023 Posted November 16, 2023 55 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: If Taylor's got MORE people in line for her now than ever before her latest album should be as interesting to them as anything else and bigger than any album before. Or you're telling me more people are Taylor fans now but the majority are no1curr about her new albums but less people were into Taylor in 2014 but she sold more copies of 1989? Like, that's kinda shade towards her new material, don't you think? You can't possibly be serious It's not that "no1curr about her new albums". Midnights is factually and easily her biggest album since 1989, is still charting in the top 10 of many albums chart throughout the world over a year after its release and it alone is almost getting more daily streams than all of your fav's albums combined . I know this might be a foreign concept for a stan of Lady Gaga - someone who peaked with their debut and rapidly lost interest of the general public afterwards - but the fact that Taylor is able to attract interest for her ENTIRE discography rather than simply her latest studio album is obviously a positive thing, and you trying to spin it as something negative is nothing short of funny. This is what makes Taylor's peak so fascinating and, well, more impressive. She's not smashing because of one project. She's smashing because she was able to cement her whole discography as legendary and basically inescapable 17 years into her career. 1
BrandNewBrandon Posted November 17, 2023 Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) 23 hours ago, The Music Industry said: You can't possibly be serious It's not that "no1curr about her new albums". Midnights is factually and easily her biggest album since 1989, is still charting in the top 10 of many albums chart throughout the world over a year after its release and it alone is almost getting more daily streams than all of your fav's albums combined . I know this might be a foreign concept for a stan of Lady Gaga - someone who peaked with their debut and rapidly lost interest of the general public afterwards - but the fact that Taylor is able to attract interest for her ENTIRE discography rather than simply her latest studio album is obviously a positive thing, and you trying to spin it as something negative is nothing short of funny. This is what makes Taylor's peak so fascinating and, well, more impressive. She's not smashing because of one project. She's smashing because she was able to cement her whole discography as legendary and basically inescapable 17 years into her career. We haven't had a peak like Taylor's in the streaming era. The last time a huge peak like this was Gaga in the digital era. And we know older albums have easier charting now since listening at home is now incorporated into the official charts. And since Taylor is having such a huge peak and interest in her name is peaking, of course many people will be streaming her music and therefore her entire catalogue is charting. Someone adds one song of hers to their playlist and it already counts towards the album charts and the single charts. That was impossible before. Add to that the playlists and their respective reach and it all benefits an artist's discography. So yeah, she's charting because she's huge right now. However, you're the one acting like Gaga's peak was less impressive. But why? Her album was selling (the #1 album of 2010 may I remind you), she had the biggest song with Poker Face and a string of back-to-back smash singles and even had the most watched music video of all time at the time, breaking records left and right in every part of the world and here you are implying it wasn't as impressive because she didn't have multiple albums charting at once but go on and claim in the same breath that Taylor's is more impressive even though she lacks #1 singles in most countries and smash hits. We get it, she has her entire back catalogue charting which is super impressive but she's lacking other factors that Gaga had. Stacking them up against one another and then arguing with stats isn't a cute look. Taylor's got the back catalogue charting, Gaga had the album sales of one album and back-to-back gigantic hits and Britney had the album sales and incredible media coverage. They all had impressive huge peaks. What Gaga lacks, Taylor's got and what Taylor lacks Gaga had. But in terms of album peaks, Gaga is the winner outside of the US. There's no arguments against that Edited November 17, 2023 by BrandNewBrandon 1
Mystic Boy Posted November 17, 2023 Posted November 17, 2023 5 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said: We haven't had a peak like Taylor's in the streaming era. The last time a huge peak like this was Gaga in the digital era. And we know older albums have easier charting now since listening at home is now incorporated into the official charts. And since Taylor is having such a huge peak and interest in her name is peaking, of course many people will be streaming her music and therefore her entire catalogue is charting. Someone adds one song of hers to their playlist and it already counts towards the album charts and the single charts. That was impossible before. Add to that the playlists and their respective reach and it all benefits an artist's discography. So yeah, she's charting because she's huge right now. However, you're the one acting like Gaga's peak was less impressive. But why? Her album was selling (the #1 album of 2010 may I remind you), she had the biggest song with Poker Face and a string of back-to-back smash singles and even had the most watched music video of all time at the time, breaking records left and right in every part of the world and here you are implying it wasn't as impressive because she didn't have multiple albums charting at once but go on and claim in the same breath that Taylor's is more impressive even though she lacks #1 singles in most countries and smash hits. We get it, she has her entire back catalogue charting which is super impressive but she's lacking other factors that Gaga had. Stacking them up against one another and then arguing with stats isn't a cute look. Taylor's got the back catalogue charting, Gaga had the album sales of one album and back-to-back gigantic hits and Britney had the album sales and incredible media coverage. They all had impressive huge peaks. What Gaga lacks, Taylor's got and what Taylor lacks Gaga had. But in terms of album peaks, Gaga is the winner outside of the US. There's no arguments against that Clock and clear
Wonderland Posted November 17, 2023 Posted November 17, 2023 It feels somewhat weird to be trying to compare the debut of two artists with another artist when they are 15+ years into their career and doing a greatest hits tour.
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