base talk Katy Perry outstreaming Beyonce on Spotify. Surprised?

[Kingdom]

3 minutes ago, zoldyck said:

As a monster, this thread is gonna get nasty bump when Katy starts outsreaming Gaga during Christmas season due to cozy little Christmas.

 

Katy honesty has built impressive catalogue in her 5 years career. She has classic for every season. Cozy Little Christmas (Christmas), Fireworks (New Year and July 4th), Dark Horse (Halloween) and Teenage Dream (Valentine). These songs keep getting bigger and bigger every year and helps people check out her other songs also. Her music have surely stood the test of time.

so why did the GP frown and WITNESS AND SMILE? 

 

Why is katy stuck in vegas doing a toilet bowl show?

 

 

SPOTIFY streams do not mean anything if it does not translate to assess in seats and album sales.

[zoldyck]

Just now, Kingdom said:

so why did the GP frown and WITNESS AND SMILE? 

 

Why is katy stuck in vegas doing a toilet bowl show?

 

 

SPOTIFY streams do not mean anything if it does not translate to assess in seats and album sales.

Beyonce is obviously bigger and more iconic.

 

But saying catalogue streams doesn't mean **** is false, especially when someone got writing credit on their hits. Its great source of passive income, especially when pop stars eventually age and they tour less and less. Mariah getting millions during Christmas is perfect example of how important these streams are.  

 

Of course those passive source of income doesn't mean **** to Beyonce since she is on way to become a billionaire. But most other artists would die to have catalogue like Katy, she can flop all she wants but she would still collecting millionaire by doing absolutely nothing.

[ChandlerBing]

Katy Perry is the female Michael Jackson.

[Axelios]

3 hours ago, Kingdom said:

so why did the GP frown and WITNESS AND SMILE? 

 

Why is katy stuck in vegas doing a toilet bowl show?

 

 

SPOTIFY streams do not mean anything if it does not translate to assess in seats and album sales.

Streaming is the main consumption method of music nowadays. It obviously means a lot.

[AxelFox]

27 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Streaming is the main consumption method of music nowadays. It obviously means a lot.

It is the main consumption method but it is not the main source of revenue, like record sales were a few decades ago. 

 

So please elaborate on the 'lot' that the passive income from Spotify streams means to Beyonce when she has built an audience that allows her to sell out stadiums across the world and build wealth for 10 generations after her. 

 

Beyonce has so obviously surpassed the stage where her status and relevance are dependent on an arbitrary number of Spotify streams, yet you an a couple fellow losers on this are trying so hard to push the narrative that the woman still needs to prove herself somehow. 

[Axelios]

38 minutes ago, AxelFox said:

It is the main consumption method but it is not the main source of revenue, like record sales were a few decades ago. 

 

So please elaborate on the 'lot' that the passive income from Spotify streams means to Beyonce when she has built an audience that allows her to sell out stadiums across the world and build wealth for 10 generations after her. 

 

Beyonce has so obviously surpassed the stage where her status and relevance are dependent on an arbitrary number of Spotify streams, yet you an a couple fellow losers on this are trying so hard to push the narrative that the woman still needs to prove herself somehow. 

Not everything is about revenue. Artist music popularity is an interesting metric in itself even if it's not completely correlated to how much they make.

[AxelFox]

7 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Not everything is about revenue. Artist music popularity is an interesting metric in itself even if it's not completely correlated to how much they make.

Not everything is about revenue but they are strongly connected.

 

She's popular enough to have millions of people spend absurd money on concert tickets across the globe to see her live, but somehow that gets invalidated because she's not popular enough to have x people stream her music for free to put her in an arbitrary top 10,20,50 whatever with artists that have debuted more than a decade after she did?  

This discussion, as well as the 5684609 others created on the same topic makes absolutely no sense and just serves as a vessel for you and your fellow trolls to pour your frustration over the praise and reverence Beyonce still receives to this day, scrapping for any details you can think of to deem her unworthy of it.

[Axelios]

13 minutes ago, AxelFox said:

Not everything is about revenue but they are strongly connected.

 

She's popular enough to have millions of people spend absurd money on concert tickets across the globe to see her live, but somehow that gets invalidated because she's not popular enough to have x people stream her music for free to put her in an arbitrary top 10,20,50 whatever with artists that have debuted more than a decade after she did?  

Noone is invalidating anything? Touring gross and streaming numbers are two distinct things we can talk about.

Katy Perry music is more popular today than Beyonce while more people want to see Beyonce perform compared to Katy. 

The streaming result is surprising because Katy music popularity declined a lot even before Spotify was that popular while Beyonce released a moderately successful project that last year with quite a lot of Spotify promo in terms of playlisting.

[dumbsparce]

Katy has multiple cross-generational, cross-demographical (is that a word?) massive hits, Beyonce's only song that meets this criteria is Halo so this is not surprising.

[Galah]

On 11/8/2023 at 6:41 PM, zoldyck said:

As a monster, this thread is gonna get nasty bump when Katy starts outsreaming Gaga during Christmas season due to cozy little Christmas.

 

Katy honesty has built impressive catalogue in her 5 years career. She has classic for every season. Cozy Little Christmas (Christmas), Fireworks (New Year and July 4th), Dark Horse (Halloween) and Teenage Dream (Valentine). These songs keep getting bigger and bigger every year and helps people check out her other songs also. Her music have surely stood the test of time.

Don't forget Unconditionally (graduations, weddings, funerals... only partly joking) and Birthday (birthdays, duh!) — plus California Gurls is kinda still a summer staple, and LFN for house parties. Her discography may have been built on gimmicks, but dammit if it hasn't caused her to have some staying power despite no longer being a current chart-topper!

[SwiftLover]

ATRL told me Katy is irrelevant & forgotten 

 

 

 

 

[BGKC]

Katy Hits were much, much bigger during much of the 2010s compared to Beyoncé then so it’s not that surprising. Bey commercially peaked in the late 2000s. Like Bey’s 00s catalog is pretty strong, but her 2010s catalog is indeed pretty week (streaming wise) compared to MPGs who peaked during that decade, but I wouldn’t really go as far as saying Katy’s catalog as a whole is more memorable than Bey’s when almost half of her total streams come from TD alone, which is a colossal streaming magnet in itself that very few MPG’s can compete with. She wins there, but Prism and OOTB are on par with IASF and DIL, whereas ST, 4 and BDay do better than Witness and Smile. Lemonade being on par with Witness 

Edited November 9, 2023 by BGKC

[Alexz]

17 minutes ago, BGKC said:

Katy Hits were much, much bigger during much of the 2010s compared to Beyoncé then so it’s not that surprising. Bey commercially peaked in the late 2000s. Like Bey’s 00s catalog is pretty strong, but her 2010s catalog is indeed pretty week (streaming wise) compared to MPGs who peaked during that decade, but I wouldn’t really go as far as saying Katy’s catalog as a whole is more memorable than Bey’s when almost half of her total streams come from TD alone, which is a colossal streaming magnet in itself that very few MPG’s can compete with. She wins there, but Prism and OOTB are on par with IASF and DIL, whereas ST, 4 and BDay do better than Witness and Smile. Lemonade being on par with Witness 

But Katy is bigger overall at least outside the USA.

[BGKC]

Just now, Alexz said:

But Katy is bigger overall at least outside the USA.

Having bigger hits =/= bigger in general, don’t be stupid lol Bey has been consistent over the course of 4 decades since leading one of the best selling girl groups to selling out stadiums today whereas Katy commercially collapsed by the time Witness was released ~10 years into her career. 

 

TD is the only thing she has over Bey from a streaming standpoint. She doesn’t have the acclaim, the touring demand, the physical sales, the talent, etc 

 

I like Katy, but only a delulu gay on ATRL would look at the streams of TD and say it makes Katy bigger than one of the most successful black women in modern music. Like bfr 

[Alexz]

1 minute ago, BGKC said:

Having bigger hits =/= bigger in general, don’t be stupid lol Bey has been consistent over the course of 4 decades since leading one of the best selling girl groups to selling out stadiums today whereas Katy commercially collapsed by the time Witness was released ~10 years into her career. 

 

TD is the only thing she has over Bey from a streaming standpoint. She doesn’t have the acclaim, the touring demand, the physical sales, the talent, etc 

 

I like Katy, but only a delulu gay on ATRL would look at the streams of TD and say it makes Katy bigger than one of the most successful black women in modern music. Like bfr 

Katy is bigger musically. Beyoncé in fashion.

[BGKC]

Just now, Alexz said:

Katy is bigger musically. Beyoncé in fashion.

Lol

 

 

[Alexz]

8 minutes ago, BGKC said:

Lol

 

 

Katy's career is more compact but with her small catalog she gets more streams than Beyoncé despite releasing a dance album and having a tour.

[BGKC]

Just now, Alexz said:

Katy's career is more compact but with her small catalog she gets more streams than Beyoncé despite releasing a dance album and having a tour.

TD was a colossal, record breaking pop era with over 6 hit singles that spanned for nearly 2 years. It’s not surprising that it’s gets strong recurrent streams from Gen Z/Millennials. Renaissance had 2 singles released within the first 3 months and was left to fend for itself until the tour gave it some boosts. I wouldn’t expect it to still be doing 4-5M daily today unless it had 2-3 more singles to give it that kind of life. 

[Axelios]

2 hours ago, BGKC said:

Renaissance had 2 singles released within the first 3 months and was left to fend for itself until the tour gave it some boosts. I wouldn’t expect it to still be doing 4-5M daily today unless it had 2-3 more singles to give it that kind of life. 

Most streaming era albums are released like that though.

[swissman]

3 hours ago, Alexz said:

Katy's career is more compact but with her small catalog she gets more streams than Beyoncé despite releasing a dance album and having a tour.

What does having a dance album have to do with getting streams? How many songs or albums in Spotify's 100 most streamed songs/albums are in the dance genre?

And why are we not mentioning Katy Perry performing all throughout October and how she only just wrapped up her residency five days ago? It's not a world tour, but she's been actively out there performing her "compact" catalog (that is only 2 studio albums behind Beyoncé's studio album tally). If a tour that is currently not touring is supposed to be a reason for Beyoncé's streams needing to be higher, then a Vegas residency should be cited too.

 

[BGKC]

1 hour ago, Axelios said:

Most streaming era albums are released like that though.

Umm, the main streaming girls like Billie, Dua, Doja etc all had eras milked and spanned for 2 or so years to maintain their relevance and position with 4-6 singles per era. Unless you’re referring to albums like Smile, then I digress .. Bey could have done the more to reach maximum potential (streaming wise), pushing songs like Heated and Alien Superstar on Radio/TTH through the spring, summer, and fall for better numbers today (if she cared enough about it). Getting hits was never her bread and butter the way it is for many other streaming forces though. 

Edited November 9, 2023 by BGKC

[Alexz]

38 minutes ago, swissman said:

What does having a dance album have to do with getting streams?

 

She followed Dua Lipa's trend.

[Trainwreck]

Both Beyoncé and Gaga's music tend to age like milk, very horribly and pretty quickly. Katy's too but at least she has timeless classics such as Firework and The One That Got Away

Edited November 9, 2023 by Trainwreck

[Mystic Boy]

15 hours ago, Alexz said:

Katy's career is more compact but with her small catalog she gets more streams than Beyoncé despite releasing a dance album and having a tour.

The mental gymnastics, just give it up

[Ethereaaal]

On 11/10/2023 at 5:54 AM, Trainwreck said:

Both Beyoncé and Gaga's music tend to age like milk, very horribly and pretty quickly. Katy's too but at least she has timeless classics such as Firework and The One That Got Away

Gaga is outstreaming both Katy and Bey in Spotify. What are you onto